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Old 09-25-2017, 03:13 PM   #16
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When your dog as bad allergies and itching some times you can't always go with what some people think is best and you have to trust your vet. Sometimes what we want to work doesn't work and we have to try the other. Callie had been on apoquel for 3 years I think and it eventually stopped working so we have moved to the cytopoint but when the cytopoint wasn't out you had to do something and could not just let your dog suffer.
I agree with you. We tried everything we could to help her and realized that we had to do something to help her even if it somehow shortened her life. She couldn't live her life like that. Thank God the Cytopoint was available. We had an acquaintance tell us that his dog got a shot once a month for itching that worked great and it just so happened that I remembered seeing the poster for Cytopoint in the vets' office. So it worked out good for us. I just wish she didn't have this problem and I am pretty much convinced that it is caused by the vaccinations. I know they have to be vaccinated, and I believe that many vets are realizing that pets can be over vaccinated. Just think of the fact that a little 3 pound or less, puppy gets the same amount of serum in the vaccines as a Great Dane puppy! That's a fact unless the vet realizes that is a PROBLEM! We have had dogs for over 50 years, that were minimally vaccinated and have never had one with the problem Gabi has. And Gabi is a well bred, AKC registered dog, absolutely not inbred as her dad is from Kentucky and her mother from Spain! I find it all interesting and very heart breaking, actually, that she has this problem. And I am astonished to learn that so many other pets have the same problem. There has to be a reason and many vets have figured it out. Preacher Jacki, that's me!
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When your dog as bad allergies and itching some times you can't always go with what some people think is best and you have to trust your vet. Sometimes what we want to work doesn't work and we have to try the other. Callie had been on apoquel for 3 years I think and it eventually stopped working so we have moved to the cytopoint but when the cytopoint wasn't out you had to do something and could not just let your dog suffer.
If you are interested take a listen to this video. This man has researched the subject for years. If I remember correctly he talks about titers. Also Dr. Robb recommends them and finds them extremely helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Xd...s_digest-vrecs
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I agree with you. We tried everything we could to help her and realized that we had to do something to help her even if it somehow shortened her life. She couldn't live her life like that. Thank God the Cytopoint was available. We had an acquaintance tell us that his dog got a shot once a month for itching that worked great and it just so happened that I remembered seeing the poster for Cytopoint in the vets' office. So it worked out good for us. I just wish she didn't have this problem and I am pretty much convinced that it is caused by the vaccinations. I know they have to be vaccinated, and I believe that many vets are realizing that pets can be over vaccinated. Just think of the fact that a little 3 pound or less, puppy gets the same amount of serum in the vaccines as a Great Dane puppy! That's a fact unless the vet realizes that is a PROBLEM! We have had dogs for over 50 years, that were minimally vaccinated and have never had one with the problem Gabi has. And Gabi is a well bred, AKC registered dog, absolutely not inbred as her dad is from Kentucky and her mother from Spain! I find it all interesting and very heart breaking, actually, that she has this problem. And I am astonished to learn that so many other pets have the same problem. There has to be a reason and many vets have figured it out. Preacher Jacki, that's me!
I think it honestly has to do more with genetics. I think itís just the rabies shot that is the same amount for every dog and since that is the law until people start doing studies and fighting it nothing can be done about it. Even dogs who get minimal vaccines these days have issues. I think it has more to do with our environment.
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If you are interested take a listen to this video. This man has researched the subject for years. If I remember correctly he talks about titers. Also Dr. Robb recommends them and finds them extremely helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Xd...s_digest-vrecs
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** Titers are a blood test that measure humoral immunity (antibodies in the blood); they cannot measure cellular immunity.

** There can be a positive titer result, but no cellular immunity present (meaning, they could get the disease in question)

** There can be a negative titer result, yet cellular immunity can be present (meaning, they would be able to attempt to fight the disease)

In a nutshell, whether a positive or negative result - titers can only tell you a small part of the picture; they are not definitive or conclusive in terms of guidance in whether to vaccinate, or not.
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I think it honestly has to do more with genetics. I think itís just the rabies shot that is the same amount for every dog and since that is the law until people start doing studies and fighting it nothing can be done about it. Even dogs who get minimal vaccines these days have issues. I think it has more to do with our environment.
I have a friend who has a tiny Chiwawa puppy, only 4 months old. Had her first puppy shot, had a bad reaction, swollen up etc. I don't remember all the details but I do know that when it came time for the second shot and they told the vet what had happened with the first one she said that she was very tiny and that it was too big a dose for her so they cut down on the dose. I have another friend that had a very bad reaction to a puppy shot. I just know that we won't have any more shots unless we know they are not vaccinated. And that would take a titer test from what I understand. I talked to one vet and it is not the law that you have to vaccinate for anything but rabies. So I guess each owner has to make their own choices.
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I have a friend who has a tiny Chiwawa puppy, only 4 months old. Had her first puppy shot, had a bad reaction, swollen up etc. I don't remember all the details but I do know that when it came time for the second shot and they told the vet what had happened with the first one she said that she was very tiny and that it was too big a dose for her so they cut down on the dose. I have another friend that had a very bad reaction to a puppy shot. I just know that we won't have any more shots unless we know they are not vaccinated. And that would take a titer test from what I understand. I talked to one vet and it is not the law that you have to vaccinate for anything but rabies. So I guess each owner has to make their own choices.
Yes, they do....and I pray you make the right ones because the consequences can be deadly. Distemper and parvo kill. I posted a link above that discusses vaccine guidelines that are based on real scientific evidence.

As to a vet cutting the dose of a vaccine...that is wrong on SO many levels. I find it difficult to believe a vet would do such a thing.
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Yes, they do....and I pray you make the right ones because the consequences can be deadly. Distemper and parvo kill. I posted a link above that discusses vaccine guidelines that are based on real scientific evidence.

As to a vet cutting the dose of a vaccine...that is wrong on SO many levels. I find it difficult to believe a vet would do such a thing.
I agree with you. I read the article you referred to and obviously there are two different trains of thought on the subject.
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I have a friend who has a tiny Chiwawa puppy, only 4 months old. Had her first puppy shot, had a bad reaction, swollen up etc. I don't remember all the details but I do know that when it came time for the second shot and they told the vet what had happened with the first one she said that she was very tiny and that it was too big a dose for her so they cut down on the dose. I have another friend that had a very bad reaction to a puppy shot. I just know that we won't have any more shots unless we know they are not vaccinated. And that would take a titer test from what I understand. I talked to one vet and it is not the law that you have to vaccinate for anything but rabies. So I guess each owner has to make their own choices.
Parvo is very dangerous so I choose to do that every 3 years and that is not over vaccinating. My boy Joey had a reaction to his puppy shots he got extremely lethargic and would scream in pain if you touched him any where. Vaccines are very important though so he gets Benadryl before and then pain meds the day of and the day after and we have had no issues when we did that with his 1 year boosters. Titers are not reliable this has been stressed every where and was stressed significantly in my vet assistant classes. I would never be able to live with myself if my babies got something I could have vaccinated to prevent especially if it were to kill them like parvo. I also love taking my babies out and about to many many things. Yes it is each owners choice I just hope educated decisions are made.
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I agree with you. I read the article you referred to and obviously there are two different trains of thought on the subject.
Keep in mind that one is based on sound scientific research.
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