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02-24-2013, 12:57 PM | #1 |
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| Buster's Saw Animal Nutritionist for Itching his recommendations Aologies for length great info form Nutritionist Marc Ching Buster was having issues with chewing on his paws, hindquarters and rubbing his face. I also thought his belly looked pink. So we had a consultation with Marc Ching, from his LinkedIn page,” I am a veterinarian nutritional consultant whom works with dozens of vets, and a Canine and Feline macrobiologist pet food cooking instructor. I work with special needs cases, and specialize in dogs and cats suffering from major skin ailments and issues like Yeast and Dermatitis.” He is also a 4th generation Japanese herbalist. It turns out Buster has fungus even though I thought I was feeding him a good diet, good supplements,and healthy treats instead I was feeding his fungus. I would like to pass the information I learned in case your Yorkie has these issues. This is for Yorkies with itching to help resolve the fungus problem. Other problems may be food allergies which need to be handled differently. You can always go to the Petstraunt site as there is an area to ask questions. Holistic and Wellness Healing, Dog Food Allergy Consultation | ThePetStaurant.com We went through all the food, supplements, and treats I fed Buster and I learned what ingedients were feeding his fungus. For Kibble I had originally feed Orijen which he said was too high in protein for Yorkies and that a good protein range is 24% - 30%. I also fed other premeium brands Now, Artemis , Annamet etc. They were grain free but they contained potato and/or tapioca which he said fed the yeast. He recommend for Buster Amicus Small Breed which uses lentils, he also recommended Nutrisco and Zignature brands of kibble. He had not heard of Canine Caviar but I showed him the ingredients and he was interested in the kibble and said it was good. He did want me to wait to feed the Canine Caviar until after we had the fungus under control because of the garbanzo beans. I asked about vegetables and fillers for home cooked and treats. He recommended lentils red or green, and blueberries. From my list his was good with green beans, stringless sugar snap peas, broccoli, celery, cucumbers, romaine lettuce, kale & spinach (not too much can cause stones), plain yourt, cottage cheese. He did not recommend carrots, potatoes, sweet potatoes, apples and pumpkin for dogs with fungus issues. He put question marks next to garbanzo beans and Quinoa. I failed with treats so much of what I fed fed the fungus. The ingedients that fed the fungus were potato, tapioca, wheat flour, ground barley, malted barley, oats, rice basically all flour, grain etc. I also fed sugars sorbitol, molasses, glycerine, dextrose, and honey. Brewers yeast, nutrional yeast, whey protein (cancerous) all feed the fungus. For the treats he did recommend he said to look for one’s that are basically one meat ingredient. He suggested Primal liver munchies, most Primal treats but not the ones with honey. Stella and Chewy’s Carnivore Crunch,and Wholelife freeze dried chicken. Buster’s doesn’t like the flakey texture. We did get and Buster LOVES Bixby Jerky, Chicken Breast slices from EandFPetsupplies.com and Honest Kitchen Beams which are pure icelandic catfish skin stick. Like a bully that smells like fish. He okayed the Moo free range bullies I give to Buster For supplements he recommended a different probiotic as he said the one I was using did not have enough probiotic bacteria and recommended Dr Mercola’s Complete Probiotic (human not animal formula) They are capsules and he recommends I feed 1/2 morn, 1/2 night with food. He also recommended Transformation Digestzyme capsules one capsule with every meal. I open capsule and pour over food. I add this to Marc’s food from the Petstraunt and he is emailing me reicpes as I want to learn to homecook. I add these to his Amicus kibble because Buster likes the crunch. Marc prefers his food, or home cooked over kibble but understands convenience and dog's and owners preferences. He said to add 1/2 tsp of cocoanut oil and if he will eat it 1/2 tsp of apple cider vinegar to each meal as it is an antifungal and will regulate the ph. He recommends the Flying Basset Colostrum powder 1/4 tsp a day which I give to Buster. He approved the Icelandpure Salmon Oil, Animal Essentials Ocean Kelp, RX Vitamins for Pets Bio C, and Cosequin DS that I give to Buster all ready.Sorry I am one of those Yorkie mommies. My apologies for the length of this post. But I just wanted to share his information. After my consult he was holding a seminar on Nutrition for Veternarians.He was also a super nice guy. OH PS !! CET Toothpaste not only has sugar. In my research I realized the CET Toothpaste I was brushing Buster’s teeth with that 4 of the 5 ingredients are toxic in large quantities to rats and rabbits. From their own brochure 2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION Emergency Overview CAUTION! Keep out of reach of children. Read entire label before each use. 3. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS Component Name CAS Number Concentration Sorbitol 50-70-4 30 - 50% Amorphous Silicon Dioxide 7631-86-9 1 - 10% Glycerine 56-81-5 1 - 10% Dicalcium Phosphate Anhydrous 7757-93-9 10 - 20% Titanium Dioxide 13463-67-7 0.1 - <1.0% 11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION See product packaging for additional information Acute Toxicity Sorbitol: Oral LD50 (rat) 15,900 mg/kg Glycerine: Oral LD50 (Rat) 12,600 mg/kg Amorphous Silicon Dioxide Oral: LD50 (rat) > 5000 mg/kg. Dermal LD50 (rabbit) >5000 mg/kg Dicalcium Phosphate Anhydrous: Oral LD50 9rat) > 10,000 mg/kg Dermal LD50 (rabbit) > 7,940 mg/kg Revision Date: March 30, 2011 I know toxicity is in large quantities but I don’t like the idea of brushing Buster’s teeth every day with toothpaste that is toxic both orally and dermal (skin) to rats and rabbit test subjects. Marc recommends Baking Soda to brush Buster's teeth with. Whew Now Buster and I are going for a walk!
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02-24-2013, 01:50 PM | #2 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I’m so glad you found someone you feel like you can trust! I just had to comment on the toothpaste though. Both CET and Petrodex do have studies that show their toothpaste is at effective tartar control. Tartar is such a huge problem for Yorkies, and it can cause lose teeth and it can cause serious infections and ailments, including heart disease. First, let me say that just because an ingredient is toxic to rats and rabbits (both rodents) it doesn’t mean it’s harmful to dogs. Look at the Saga Palm seed, dogs are the ONLY animal the seed is toxic to, so toxity doesn’t always go across species. Secondly, almost anything is toxic in extremely large qualities; even drinking too much water will kill you. Baking soda tastes terrible, and if causes Buster to not cooperate with you, it means you can’t do as through of a job. Also, baking soda itself is harmful in large quantities. I personally believe it’s best to put a tiny amount of proven tartar control dog toothpaste on a brush. Quote:
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02-24-2013, 03:51 PM | #3 |
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| Thanks for the information. You make great points. I just was so surprised when I read the warning on their own material. I have not tried the baking powder so Buster's hasn't given me his opinion on that. I definitely know I need to keep his teeth brushed and that he likes the flavor of the CET toothpaste. He does drink the Healthymouth water additive for plaque as well. Thanks for the heads up on the Baking Soda! We had a lovely walk it's a beautiful day here. We went to a nearby park where there's a little corner where he can run around in the grass and we can work on "Come" Now it's time for the Red Carpet Fashion show and the Oscar's!
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02-24-2013, 04:55 PM | #4 | |
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02-25-2013, 08:30 AM | #5 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I'm really glad you found someone with whom it sounds like you clicked ! So, you felt confident in his knowledge etc? If you think you'd recommend him, we do have a list of those who are 'nutritionists' in the Library: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...itionists.html If you think he belongs on that list, feel free to provide his info and I'll include him there. I couldn't really tell what his qualifications were -- is he a vet who specialized in nutrition (like Rebecca Romillard)? Or is he someone who has sort of developed his own area of expertise like some other animal nutritionists? You don't have to state his price, but did you find him reasonable and affordable to most? He definitely gave you good advice about feeding any fungus that feeds off of carbs. If it's a yeast infection (ie, systemic), his advice should help. He seems to have some good supplement recommendations too. I don't agree with him regarding protein and yorkies...not sure what facts he's basing that opinion on. Protein is only a concern for dogs who have liver or kidney disease, or some other disease where protein is contraindicated. He may still be following that myth that protein causes disease, which it doesn't. You may have to school him on that one . I hope all of his good info helps make everything better bc it's so hard watching them struggle w/ chronic stuff.
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02-25-2013, 08:53 AM | #6 |
YT 2000 Club Member | Wow, that is very interesting about the foods to avoid with a fungus issues in dogs. No sweet potatoes, apples, pumpkin, carrots....those are some of the foods that I thought were healthy. I didn't know that they contribute to the growth of yeast! I will have to rethink my treats. I also use garbanzo bean flour to make her gluten free dog treats. I think I will have to do some research.....I just started to give Teeka coconut oil, yesterday, so that is a plus! Thank you for the information!
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02-25-2013, 12:25 PM | #7 | |
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On the website it states he charges $50.00 for the consultation but he did not charge me anything for my consult. I was armed with printouts of the ingredients and analysis of all the products I feed Buster and he spent 1/2 -3/4 of an hour going through the items. He also did not force any of his products and didn't push buying items at his store saying if we could find it closer to home or cheaper to get it there. He really is in it for the love of animals. His contact phone number for consultations: You can call (424) 248-7458 to schedule a consultation. or submit this form Holistic and Wellness Healing, Dog Food Allergy Consultation | ThePetStaurant.com The store info: The PetStaurant 4344 Van Nuys Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA.91403 (818) 386-8937 Hours of Operation Mon to Thur - 1100am to 800pm Fri & Sat - 1030am to 830pm Sunday - 11am to 700pm
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02-27-2013, 04:30 PM | #8 |
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02-27-2013, 07:03 PM | #9 |
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| WOW! Great information! You said he did not want you to use CC yet because of the Garbanzo Beans. Aren't Garbanzo Beans and Chickpeas the same thing? The foods he said to use have Chickpeas in them. Interesting about eating lentils.
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02-27-2013, 07:14 PM | #10 |
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| I was thinking the same thing.... I know Nutrisca and Zignature definitely have chickpeas which are Garbanzo Beans!! |
02-27-2013, 07:44 PM | #11 |
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| I do not think Mickey or Max would let me use Baking Soda on their teeth I have to use a plain gauze pad. They don't even like the brush.
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| Thanks for this wealth of info! I knew potato, tapioca, grains & anything sugary fed the yeast, but didn't know about the C.E.T toothpaste! We just used up a tube & I was going to order another...will stick w/ tropiclean gel for now. Quote:
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So I don't think he's saying not to use the chickpeas/ lentils, he put a question mark, probably meaning that dogs will get more benefit & nutrition from a 'meat' source which is acidic also.
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02-28-2013, 10:38 AM | #14 |
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| There is an animal nutritionist here near us in Frisco, TX. He owns The Paw Depot (where we buy our dogs' food). It is very interesting talking with him. His name is Giulio Ferrari, AAVN. He highly recommends food from Horizon (Horizon Legacy, Amicus, Pulsar), and also from Fromm. He likes grain free and also likes rotation feeding. He is very knowledgable and passionate about animal nutrition.
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02-28-2013, 02:12 PM | #15 |
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| I find it interesting that Marc recommended Amicus (made by Horizon) and Giulio also recommends Horizon's foods (Legacy and Amicus).
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