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05-19-2011, 09:24 AM | #1 |
Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA
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| human med vs vet med I've had some discussions w my vet and an acquaintance of mine who is a DVM on the differences between human med and vet med. I am always interested in the different pathologies, treatments, diagnostics. I have been told in vet med BP is measured as a diastolic measurement, where we in human med take a systolic/diastolic measurement. Also, as the human heart ages its the aortic valve that gets calcified, where in canines its the mitral valve. I was just wondering of any of the vet med ppl have anymore interesting tidbits of info like that on the differences. I hope other ppl find it as interesting as I do; and I also hope I'm posting this in the right section! |
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05-19-2011, 10:12 AM | #2 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Physicians pay tens of thousands per year for insurance. Since animals are "property", vets only pay a few hundred. It's strongly suggested that physicians and nurses don't wear fake nails because of bacteria and yeast. Vets can because it doesn't matter. lol, ok, I know not quite what you meant. Hmm. All the testing seems pretty much the same except vets don't have as many options. Dogs don't have to "bite down" when getting dental xrays. lol. Pulse ox is sometimes taken on the, um, penis. Not sure if it's like that in human med. They don't swallow their tongues during seizures. Dogs don't have appendixes.
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05-19-2011, 10:23 AM | #3 |
Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA
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| No kidding, pulse ox on the penis - now that's an interesting tidbit! I wondered about the biting tongue during seizures - you answered that for me. How do you guys maintain airway? Do you intubate? That I've been wondering about. How you guys maintain airway in something like CT. Now my vet said they don't give valve replacements in the canine world. Was he just referring to he does not have the capability or do you not perform them at all? I will say, sometimes you hear complaints about the price of veterinary med, but really for the education a DVM possesses I really think vet med is very reasonable in pricing - you can tell vet med ppl are in it for the love of animals (I guess that's another topic entirely - sorry.). |
05-19-2011, 10:44 AM | #4 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Well, I don't actually do any of it. I just stare at others while they do their jobs for now. lol. Never heard of valve replacements for dogs. They are starting to get into kidney transplants though. I've never seen a CT pup anesthetized. It really wouldn't be something a general vet would be anxious to do if it was bad enough to be a concern. They would probably send it to a specialist. Yes, intubation for gas anesthesia and oxygen to be delivered. Usually pre-med by injection (IM or IV but possibly SubQ). But on the rare occasion when the vet wants to do gas only (say if it's a liver compromised dog and there is concern about using anything besides Iso), then they are masked down (or tanked) with it before (a very quick) intubation. A cat here and there is just automatically injected or tanked just for a thorough exam and quick procedure because there is no way that some will let you do what you need to do. Needles in the jugular and bladder are very common practice in vet med. Humans would freak if somebody tried to do that to them. For a urine culture in vet med, cystocentesis to obtain the sample is considered standard of care. Dogs can usually handle an arsenic compound, melarsomine (Immiticide), being injected into them to treat heartworm disease. Dogs have a space to inject things subcutaneously whereas that really isn't an option for humans.
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05-19-2011, 10:52 AM | #5 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| And I agree. It seems expensive until time is put into really thinking about the massive amount of overhead that DVMs have and their huge student loan debt. Honestly, most vets don't charge near what they could. They love animals, but that doesn't mean they should have to be poor. And really, the ones that usually suffer are the support staff. Most techs get paid miserably when in reality, they do a ton of work (even work that clients think the vet should do like cleaning teeth). I have heard so many times about how vets should never turn suffering patients away. They should take payments or just do it for free if the owner can't afford it. Well, that's a good way to be taken advantage of. I think their only responsibility as far as that goes is to provide euthanasia at a reasonable cost. Vets would love to be able to treat animals for free, but it's unrealistic and completely unfair to them. It costs an extreme amount of money to practice medicine the right way and they can't go under guilt everytime an animal needs help and they can't offer to foot the bill and save it.
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05-19-2011, 04:18 PM | #6 | |
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You're right about the cystocentesis. The first time I heard of that I thought, now that's gotta hurt. Why is a diastolic pressure taken instead of both systolic/diastolic BP? | |
05-19-2011, 04:25 PM | #7 |
Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA
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| I agree about vets needing to be able to cover overhead, pay their student loans, etc. It is a shame there is not the same kind of research money available to vet med as there is in human or private funds available to help ppl who can't afford the care. There is a lot of farm country around this area of the country, and there are ppl that just don't believe in paying for veterinary treatment. Now that would be hard for me to work in vet med when an animal is ill, the owners have the ability to pay, but just view the animal as not worthy of spending money to treat. My vet has told me they have to learn to accept ppl where they are in their view of treatment, but I would find that very difficult. |
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