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01-14-2010, 06:15 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States
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| new puppy diagnosed with PDA I got a new puppy and at the vet today she was diagnosed with PDA (patent ductus arteriosus). I'm so upset. Our vet said it was rare and that it's been over 5 years since she has diagnosed a puppy with it. She is doing some research and talking with colleagues to tell us how to proceed. She said most likely surgery. I emailed the breeder tonight, and still waiting on a reply from her. In our contract it says we have a year guarantee against life threatening hereditary conditions and that if one is diagnosed, we can return the puppy for a new one with a written statement by the vet. Or we can keep the puppy and get half our money back. Now here's my issues. I'm already attached to her. Her name is Harley. I can't help but feel that if I return her the breeder could possibly put her down. The thought just breaks my heart. Now, we could do the surgery if the vet says thats how we should proceed but then the costs come into it. And the tests and any meds we may need. Anyone else experience this who can offer advice?? I just feel terrible. I tried everything I could and did research to try to prevent from buying from a puppy mill. And I feel guilty, like I have |
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01-15-2010, 09:10 AM | #2 |
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| I'm so sorry. I didn't even know what it was until I looked it up. I found the following and hope it will help a bit. Only you can make this decision on whether you keep the pup and whether or not you can afford the costs involved. I wish you good luck. I'm sure you'll know in your gut what you want to do and what is right for you, too. Patent Ductus Arteriosus in Dogs Top Patent Ductus Arteriosus PDA Heart Problems Yorkie Yorkshire Terriers Goldenray
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01-15-2010, 09:33 AM | #3 |
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| I am so sorry your puppy has PDA. After reading about it I think I would keep the puppy and ask the breeder to reimburse the charges for it's surgery. According to the article this should have been detected before coming to you. How good is this breeder if she did not have the puppy checked. A vet should have found it during a physical. It's also common in Yorkies according to the article. You can bet the parents never had a genetic testing done or it would have been found unless the breeder just dosen't care. I can't imagine sending a puppy back after receiving it, so I wish you good luck and hope and pray this little one get's his chance at life. |
01-15-2010, 10:48 AM | #4 |
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| I am so sorry about your puppy. What state do you live in? Some states have tough "puppy lemon laws" that require a breeder to do more than replace a puppy or give a partial refund. Some require a breeder to pay for vet bills if the puppy has a genetic condition. A breeder must comply with the laws of the state she sells in no matter what her contract states. I'd be happy to check the law in your state for you. |
01-16-2010, 11:33 PM | #5 |
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| Thank you all for the replies. The breeder has responded to me and says she will replace the puppy if we choose. She says she has never encountered this before with her past puppies. She states the studs are all genetic tested and that careful pedigrees are kept. But I believe that this condition would have been discovered then. Also, my vet even told me that if this puppy had been seen by a vet for her first set of shots that the PDA would have been detected. Now, the breeder says that her vet is old fashioned. She also plainly said that her vet would not be able to perform the surgery, due to him being old fashioned. And that she can not afford the surgery herself. I'm so devastated. I feel like I have been scammed . I can't bear the thought of just sending her back. You all know how sweet these babies can be and how quickly they can steal your heart. But I also know how much money I spent on her and how much this surgery could likely be. With all this said, I'm still waiting to hear back from the vet on my options. I'm guessing she will want to do a confirmative diagnostic test for a start. Just keep little Harley in your prayers please |
01-16-2010, 11:34 PM | #6 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States
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| Ladymom...thank you for offering your help. I'm located in Tennessee and I got Harley from a breeder in Georgia. I'm not sure how those laws work when you're dealing with 2 different states? |
01-17-2010, 04:42 AM | #7 |
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| I am so sorry you are going through this. I would check out the laws anyway and make the breeder pay for at least half of it. It doesn't sound cheap if it's open heart surgery. You need to find out the cost involved for that first. Best of luck and our prayers are with you!
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01-17-2010, 05:12 AM | #8 |
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| I don't know what your personal financial situation is so I am throwing this out there as just an option. Will the breeder offer you another puppy and let you keep little Harley making it a win win situation? The condition is rare, and finding a vet that can actually perform the surgery sounds like a challenge in itself and you don't really know the long term prognosis. Harley would benefit from a littermate or another puppy. So, I am just saying, you are entitled to a healthy puppy regardless, and yet you can still give little Harley the best possible chance. Just an option not yet mentioned.
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01-17-2010, 07:56 AM | #9 | |
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What a terrible situation to be in. Getting a new puppy should be such a happy time for you. Are you close to the University of Tennessee? They have an excellent vet school. If you decide to keep her, I'd take her there for an evaluation and her surgery. | |
01-17-2010, 10:31 PM | #10 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States
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| I actually did wonder if I could get a replacement puppy and keep Harley. I'm not sure how the breeder would feel about this though. But the way I see it, if she is going to take the puppy back and put her down then why would she care if we kept her? We were guaranteed a healthy puppy and didn't get that. And there's also a part in our contract that states breeder will reimburse us half the payment if we decide to keep a special needs puppy. Wonder if she would consider this a "special needs puppy"...I know I do. She's going to require surgery and meds for probably 6 months (from the research I've found). My vet also did recommend UT's vet school. And from that research I found it could cost around $1500, with 6 months of heart medication for about $50 (a month). Not including travel expenses, diagnostic test, ect... |
04-03-2015, 12:35 PM | #11 |
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| Pda My Yorkie was born on Thursday, Dec. 11, 2014. We brought her home on Saturday, Jan. 24, 2015. Her, first, vet. visit was on Friday, Feb. 6, 2015; her second, vet. visit was on Feb. 27, 2015; her third vet, visit was on Mar. 20, 2015 along with her first Puppy Groom. All visit we were told she is a very happy, healthy puppy and keep doing what your doing. On Monday, March 30, 2015 we rushed her to the vet. because she was not herself. We were told at this visit that she had a slight heart murmur. Which normally shows up at birth or later, and it would close up on its own or surgery. Yet, in her case the murmur was a stage two. We were shocked, upset and very concerned. On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, we rushed her back. She started breathing strangely. They took x-rays, and she was placed on oxygen. We were later told her heart had enlarged and she would need additional care and was rushed to ER Specialist. She remained on oxygen and would seen by the Cardo. Specialist. However, later, Tuesday, evening we loss her. She went from a perfectly little healthy puppy, and within two days acute. Today, we were told she had PDA. We are all very heart broken. So, I feel your pain? We are all still hurting. Talk, with your vet. ask questions and stay on top of everything. Would, it be hard to return. Yes! I agree with you on that maybe the breeder will be willing to help with the expense. But, its a very hard situation and for us. I wish we could have been able to detect it at birth. But, we were told no signs during any of her vet. visit. Our vet. said that if she had not |
04-03-2015, 01:37 PM | #12 | |
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I know the decision you have to make will be agonizing but go with your heart and with your gut and if they don't agree, go with what seems best for the dog in the long run and her ability to enjoy her life. I'll be praying for little Harley.
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04-03-2015, 02:00 PM | #13 |
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| Jeanie, this thread is from 2010.
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04-03-2015, 02:06 PM | #14 |
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__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis |
04-03-2015, 02:07 PM | #15 |
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| LOL been there
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