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12-15-2009, 07:20 AM | #1 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Human Grade Food Just a thought about human grade food. There is no such thing (that is, it is undefined by any organization that dog food companies need to follow). While browsing YT, I found this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...enaturant.html and it looks like a bunch of YT'ers are looking for human grade food. The problem is, that phrase can mean nothing at all. Food is either "fit" or "unfit" for human consumption. If a dog food company will not tell you that all of their ingredients are fit for human consumption, then they probably aren't. That isn't to say that it is wrong to feed a food that isn't fit for human consumption, but I know there are people here who would only feed a food if they could eat it themselves and human grade does not mean that you can. Of course it also doesn't mean that a company that uses the term "human grade" is using ingredients unfit for human consumption either. Each company would have to be asked... Here is a page from a veterinary nutritionist's site (see last paragraph): https://www.petdiets.com/faqs/display_faq.asp?ID=774
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12-15-2009, 09:39 AM | #2 |
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| Hi Chrystal...Yeah, a bunch of us raw feeders are all upset about that substance in NV...I'm not buying NV anymore...As far as I can tell, Primal raw medallions do not have that denaturant in them...Denaturant is put in food that is not approved for human consumption...yuck!!!...So that won't work for Apple and Buzz...I started a thread about the hydrostatic process of squeezing the air out of a product, to remove any possibility of any pathogens, and it doesn't alter the shape, taste or nutrition of the food...Stella and Chewies use that process on their raw, but I'm going to continue the research (on my days off from work)...I was hoping you'd seen that thread and would respond...I'm also considering Bravo as another source of food for my furkids...I think feeding different proteins and even different brands is good for them...I'm still good w/Primal, and hope I don't see anything in the future to change my mind.... |
12-15-2009, 01:08 PM | #3 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | This is *such* a great post/thread and I've been wanting to comment on it all day, but have been so swampified ! What you've posted is really important bc isn't "Human Grade", essentially, just a marketing term...at the end of the day? I think the bottom line is, and what Dr. Rebecca Remillard says so succinctly in the link you provided is this: "Pet food manufacturers may use ingredients that are designated as fit or unfit for human consumption. There is no such USDA or FDA term as human grade." Wow, interesting. So, who wants to volunteer to contact some of our favorite pet food companies and ask "Is your product FIT or UNFIT for human consumption, bc human grade has no real definition or meaning according to USDA or FDA standards...?" -- I would love to hear the answer!
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12-15-2009, 01:22 PM | #4 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| It is just a marketing term and I think somebody should contact our favorite companies to see what they say.
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12-15-2009, 02:38 PM | #5 |
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| If the rendering plants have nothing to hide, then they would allow you a tour of their plant to show you how it's made. If anyone finds a plant that will do just that, then please let me know.
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12-16-2009, 07:40 AM | #6 | ||
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| Thanks for this post! I may send an e-mail to Fromm and Nature's Variety, both of which I feed Jackson. Quote:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2794073-post3.html Quote:
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12-16-2009, 07:58 AM | #7 |
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| Crystal, I got so busy looking around the website you linked that I forgot to reply. Are you familiar with this website or these doctors? I'm just curious - I read about half of their FAQ pages and found a couple of places where I thought they contradicted themselves, and some more that were at odds with what I'd researched in the past. My questions have nothing to do with the topic of your original post but are more regarding food allergies and other food issues I've experienced with my guys. It's been a while since I've done some of my research and this makes me wonder if there's more current data available now.
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12-16-2009, 08:07 AM | #8 |
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| In my opinion there are a lot of human foods that are not fit for human consumption. Like all the foods that are full of soy and who knows what else. Sometimes I think more research and thought goes into creating healthy dogs food than it does creating healthy people food. It seems now days nothing is really safe for either pets or humans. |
12-16-2009, 08:08 AM | #9 | |
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Yes, this is actually Ellie's nutritionist and I know many people on YT will disagree with a lot of things on that site (and that's fine ). At the same time, she has way too much education/knowledge for me not listen to her. Now that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and buy a bag of Purina or anything (lol), but a lot of the things online written by people are opinions, not researched fact... So I take her info and find my place in it. For example, I don't feed by-products and I don't recommend foods that contain them, but I also can't say a dog is going to have more medical problems if they eat them, etc.
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12-16-2009, 08:27 AM | #10 | |
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I think sometimes I worry more about my dog eats than myself, LOL. I think I need to change that.
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12-16-2009, 08:43 AM | #11 | |
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Let's see if these links work. Food allergy is the area that I thought they may be contradicting themselves, especially when recommending not to feed a rotation diet. https://www.petdiets.com/faqs/display_faq.asp?ID=90 Darn, I can't find the other FAQ I'm thinking of. The link above says "An animal can only be allergic to a protein to which the pet has been previously and continuously exposed." But the other FAQ said that rotating foods would not help in preventing food allergies. I have to wonder why, when they say allergies can only develop to proteins they have "continuously" been exposed to? I've only been able to read about half of the Dog Nutrition so far, but I found it very interesting. I learned some things I wish I'd known before. I'm going to try to find time to read the FAQ's in the other categories and see what else I don't know. I liked your sentence in red - that's all any of us can do, really. I always worry about the decisions I make for my gang because I DON'T have the education, knowledge or experience to be comfortable with the choice I make.
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12-16-2009, 09:23 AM | #12 | |
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12-16-2009, 09:28 AM | #13 | |
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12-16-2009, 10:49 AM | #14 |
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| I was just reading more on the petdiets.com website and found where the doctor says "I feed my own pets a commercial pet food with no qualms, although I would strongly suggest buying from a major producer as opposed to a small manufacturer. Those small manufacturers are far more likely to have a problem and do than the larger companies. I know this is just the opposite of the rhetoric and the 2007 recall. Most people spouting off facts have never been inside a pet food plant." I'm a little surprised the doctor doesn't feed a home-cooked diet. I would dearly love to know which pet they do feed. Maybe that would help me make my mind up.
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12-16-2009, 11:17 AM | #15 | |
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| I don't think it well help you. She likes SD. I think the problem with smaller companies is that they just do not have as much money to put into QC. Obviously it looked like the opposite in 2007, but look at Merricks for instance. They have had enough recalls IMO... Evangers was in a bit of trouble with the FDA. NB was recalled in '07 with the other pet foods and I think it had something to do with their manufacturer not being truthful with them or something... I'm just not a fan of any of it. I don't like by-products, ethoxyquin, BHA/BHT, etc., but I also don't like companies telling their customers that their food is "holistic" or whatever they are saying now. It's all marketing. And if the ingredients were really as good as they looked on the package, then they would be used for human food... Quote:
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