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12-21-2008, 09:54 AM | #1 |
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| Repeat BAT question Mayme goes for a repeat BAT on Friday. Does she need to stop taking her Denamarin until then? Will being on it prior skew the results? Or since Denamarin is technically a supplement is it ok for her to continue on it before the test? I'm really curious if the Denamarin has lowered her enzymes (they were in the high 40s), or if she even had a liver issue in the first place and the rise in enzymes were a result of something else... Thanks! |
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12-22-2008, 04:43 AM | #2 |
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| I'm seeing this question but don't exactly know the answer. The point of putting her on this was to low the BA, so I'd probably use it until the day before the test to see if it helped. If the numbers are in normal range and you stop the supplement, then you could retest to see if they go back up without it and you'd have your answer. That is what happened to Ellie. Hers went up to 106 after being off of Denosyl and low protein... If you take her off of this too far in advance and the numbers are high again, you won't know whether they would be high if she lived on this med. Does that make sense? Hopefully somebody has a better answer for you.
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12-22-2008, 07:25 PM | #3 |
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| I agree...The point of taking this supplement is to help her liver and hopefully lower her bile acid test results. I would keep her on it until you retest.
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12-26-2008, 07:43 AM | #4 |
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| Thanks for the info! I gave her the liver supplement up until this morning. She's getting her test done right now....I feel like my heart is going to jump out of my chest waiting on her results. I'll post them when I get them. *keeping my fingers crossed!* Last edited by Hannah3183; 12-26-2008 at 07:46 AM. |
12-26-2008, 07:51 AM | #5 |
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| I hope these results are normal. Keep us posted. |
12-29-2008, 04:24 PM | #6 |
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| Her previous results were Pre: 6.8 Post: 44.7 Friday's results just came in and were Pre: 5 Post: 40.6 The vet said to keep her on Denamarin for life and said the Hills i/d food seems to be ok since she's gained weight and doesn't act sick at all. I know it's a terrible food so im going to be researching to figure out a kibble that's a little lower in protein yet higher quality than the hills (I think its 22%). I know Natural Balance Vegetarian is good for MVD dogs, but is that one really a food to leave them on long term? Does anyone have any other suggestions on what I should do to help her? I'm sooo sad. I was hoping her enzymes would have been normal and the first test was a fluke. I guess not. |
12-29-2008, 05:07 PM | #7 | |
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Those results aren't terribly bad. NB Veg can be used long term but it may be low in fat and there could be better options. Did she have gastrointestinal issues also?
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12-30-2008, 04:40 AM | #8 | |
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I remember you had mentioned before that Ellie May was on Lactulose. I was reading on the Yahoo Liver Disease group that Mayme should be on that and you can get it from your vet. Is this true? | |
12-30-2008, 05:58 AM | #9 |
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| Sorry for all of the questions. I've been reading the other liver disease threads and have a few more questions. Mayme threw up at 2:30 am this morning, but it's the first time she has thrown up in a few months. This is really the only symptom she has. So should I continue to give her the higher protein Hills i/d or switch to (I was thinking Petguard Organic Vegetarian) kibble and add some egg whites for extra protein? Petguard has 250 IU of Vitamin E. Should I supplement with more and if so is it just regular human vitamin E that I would buy? Is this the same with Vitamin B? I'm really unsure on what I should be doing to help her since the vets I have gone to don't really recommend anything but the Denamarin (which I haven't read of anyone using on here or the Yahoo group). Ahh..the more I read, the more I'm confused. I'm also going out today to try to find a new toothpaste that doesn't contain meat ingredients. (I didn't even think of that until I had read a post!!) Thanks for the patience with me and help! I'm just so worried about my baby! |
12-30-2008, 08:00 AM | #10 | |
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I don't like Denamarin because, although I like Denosyl, Marin does contain liver and yeast. This may be okay for some liver compromised dogs but these ingredients aren't tolerated well by others. I would rather give Denosyl or Vetri DMG and human milk thistle or Hepatosupport. You can supplement with vit e and b if you want. I am not right now. One time throwing up wouldn't lead me to believe that protocol needs to be changed...only if it keeps happening. We use CET vanilla-mint toothpaste from entirelypets.com. That is a cheap place to buy Denosyl also but I think we are switching to Vetri DMG.
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12-30-2008, 09:01 AM | #11 | |
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Just one thing to add. If you decide not to give Denamarin or Marin and give plain milk thistle, you do need to add vitamin E. I switched from milk thistle to Marin after a member on another forum whose Maltese is a patient of Dr. Tobias said she recommended it. According to Dr. Tobias, without the Vitamin E, you don't get the same benefits from Milk Thistle. I haven't had any problem with the slight amount of liver in Marin and it's easier for me to give it in one pill. | |
12-31-2008, 10:01 AM | #12 |
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| I just picked up her bloodwork results and they were: ALT: 29 BUN: 27 ALB: 3.5 CHOL: 233 PHOS: 4.400 TBIL .8 (this was flagged high at 1.2 on her previous bloodwork) MCH: 24.86 flagged high. Anyone know anything from these results? |
12-31-2008, 10:21 AM | #13 |
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| This a a great website to bookmark: A typical blood chemistry panel usually includes Both her BUN and ALT are in the normal range. |
12-31-2008, 12:37 PM | #14 | |
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Thank you for that site! Her bloodwork does look pretty good to me. Makes me question the high enzymes even more... | |
12-31-2008, 12:46 PM | #15 | |
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Her enzymes look normal. You mean the high bile acids? In most cases, there has to be a large amount of liver damage/liver cell death for the enzymes to go up. Yorkeis should be bile acids tested even with perfect enzyme levels.
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