Tiny Yorkies - Breeding & Discipline

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

The way you post reminds me of someone.....

you sure did have a great eye there Kimberly..... In case anyone needs to know ....Zulu*Dawn wasn't exactly on the up and up in this thread....I understand she and yorkiekids are one and the same ? (posting as 2 people) What a shame that someone who was pointing fingers was also scamming us ...makes you wonder what else isn't true in her posts.

The thread is still informative even if one person wasn't legit.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by red98vett

you sure did have a great eye there Kimberly..... In case anyone needs to know ....Zulu*Dawn wasn't exactly on the up and up in this thread....I understand she and yorkiekids are one and the same ? (posting as 2 people) What a shame that someone who was pointing fingers was also scamming us ...makes you wonder what else isn't true in her posts.

The thread is still informative even if one person wasn't legit.

EXACTLY!

>snip <g>

I knew something wasn't right with this person and the manner they posted. Caught it just in time!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by red98vett

you sure did have a great eye there Kimberly..... In case anyone needs to know ....Zulu*Dawn wasn't exactly on the up and up in this thread....I understand she and yorkiekids are one and the same ? (posting as 2 people) What a shame that someone who was pointing fingers was also scamming us ...makes you wonder what else isn't true in her posts.

The thread is still informative even if one person wasn't legit.

Isnt that against the rules? I thought you could only have one ussername?????/

[txshopper73]

I believe that admin has taken care of this problem.

Villette misspelled the user name...it's yorkykids.

[Itspuppyluv]

Kimberley, nice catch. I noticed Yorkiekids did the snip and grin thing in her posts but didn't notice it in Zulu Dawns. I need to pay more attention. She had me fooled.

[Laura]

Glad to see you guys still on the job! I can't see any reason to be mad enough at a dog to hit them. I usually pick mine up and brush them, that scares them to death, makes me feel better and makes them look better. (I still brush softly)

I also kept my little girl (and all the rest), our real estate broker offered me $2500 for her a couple of weeks ago - she is 3 pounds. But one litter was enough for me to realize that no-one is good enough to take care of my babies and I don't want more than six!!!

[yorkieusa]

Alright! I have to confess! I ask Kacee all of the time if I can spank her tiny hiney! Then she gets lots of love pats! That's about as brutal as we get around here!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

You said a mouthful- but the uniformed- who have never raised a tiny one who naturally appear in a normal breeding programr will raise their head once again.

It is interesting to see those who have never whelped, hand fed and stayed up endlees hours working to get a little one to live- say- there is nothing wrong with breeding the little ones. Just makes me want to scream. They seem to know it all- act like they know what they are saying- but the truth is they know nothing about this subject. They casue a lot of harm.

If you are referring to me here, I may not breed but I certainly have stayed up all night, many nights in a row trying to save the life of a tiny and I did it. I syringe fed that baby every three hours for days when the vet told me he would die and had already written him off. I refused to give up. I knew very little about yorkies at the time but was lucky enough to have a very knowledgeable breeder close by who helped me save his life.

Tiny yorkies are not for everyone just as yorkies are not for everyone. They can be difficult to care for and really need 24/7 supervision. I have a job but I can take my dogs anywhere with me and I do. When I do have to leave them I have six people in my family and there is almost always someone home. I do not recommend anyone with a schedule that does not allow them to be with their little yorkie most of the time getting a tiny for sure....maybe not even a yorkie period unless the dog has a companion when the owner has o be gone for a long time. I also do not think they belong in homes with small children. Do i condemn the people on here who have tinies and cannot be with them 24/7 or who have small children? Of course not. They made the decisions they felt were right and I respect that and believe in their assertion that they feel it is perfectly okay for the dog.

I would never hit a dog any more than I would hit a child or another human being. It is abuse any way you look at it. I do strongly believe in the need for obedience training for the safety and well being of the animals but I believe in reward training and the use of praise as opposed to negative training philosophies.

I have no problem with breeding tiny males.

As for breeding tiny females, after all I have learned recently, I think I would set the size limit at 4 lbs and that would only be if the dog was wide in the torso and was tested fit for pregnancy and was cared for throughout by a reproductive specialist, not just a general vet, but then, I would require all of my females to be under the care of a reproductive specialist if I were a breeder.

I am not a breeder but I can still learn about the hobby and form opinions from what I learn as we all do in life.

I think there is also a lot of hypocracy among people who own tinies and tell others not to get them but then turn right around and get another one!! I see this over and over and zi find it so hypocritical and self righteous....it's like saying...it's okay for me to own a tiny, but not you!!

I think there is a general prejudice against tinies on this board just as there is against mixed breed dogs and yorkies of a "different color". I find this unfortunate and just wish people would be less judgmental and more accepting of the innate good in people instead of always assuming the worst and not believing what someone says. In my opinion, we all lose as a result.

[red98vett]

KIm..SoCalyorkiLvr

Let's not cloud the issue ok ?

No offense but This Thread is about BREEDING a Tiny Yorkie Female. Males don't go thru Pregnancy and C-Sections -

There is NO predjudice on this board against having tinies - there are many people here with adorable, precious, very loved, tiny little yorkies. There IS predjudice against BREEDING these small babies -

There is a BIG difference in HAVING ONE and BREEDING one.

Honestly.... I don't understand your reasoning sometimes - no one is saying people shouldn't have very small yorkies. If you still think it's ok to breed tiny females maybe you should read this thread - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...6&page=1&pp=15

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by red98vett

KIm..SoCalyorkiLvr

Let's not cloud the issue ok ?

No offense but This Thread is about BREEDING a Tiny Yorkie Female. Males don't go thru Pregnancy and C-Sections -

There is NO predjudice on this board against having tinies - there are many people here with adorable, precious, very loved, tiny little yorkies. There IS predjudice against BREEDING these small babies -

There is a BIG difference in HAVING ONE and BREEDING one.

Honestly.... I don't understand your reasoning sometimes - no one is saying people shouldn't have very small yorkies. If you still think it's ok to breed tiny females maybe you should read this thread - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...6&page=1&pp=15

Thanks for jumping in. I never said your name Southern Cal. I do not know why you jumped in I did not accuse you of anything.

I will stand by what I said in my previous posts- I do not bred tiny yorkies - I do not breed to produce tiny yorkies. Do I have tiny yorkies- yes, some- they are naturally produced in my breeding program of yorkies that weigh 5-7 pounds. If I have a litter that is all 41/2 or less as adults will I repeat the breeding NO- I am breeding to produce dogs that can be taken into the show ring and ones that IMO are large enough to breed. I will not and do not encourage breeding small yorkies- I got a phone call a week ago about this same topic and was quite firm on my reasons when the person wanted to buy a small girl to breed.

I will also stand by my thought that we have some folks on here who know it all regardless of the topic- that is part of life- it would not matter what the subject is they will have a answer- right or wrong. Many times it is wrong.
You will find folks like this in all walks of life- you just have to put up with them and their comments and try to educate. You will be suprised that after a period of time how many people begin to understand and recongize that those blowhearts just like to hear themseves talk and cause contreversy.
My goal is that a newbie does not ger hurt in the process.

We are lucky to have a group on here who do care about the breed and those asking questions and will try and give you the truth in black and white and share their experiences good and bad.

I am alo learning to use my ignore button to block off some of those who tend to yank my chain. Just laugh to myself and keep a going.

Wow, you guys were good to catch our dual identity person. That is just crap for adults to do things like that. So much for credibility there . Should be banned from the sight

[red98vett]

I got a chuckle out of this thread towards the end myself - I have yet to see any debates over breeding tiny MALES....but hopefully some people are now seeing how dangerous it is for the tiny girls to have babies and maybe we won't see so many debates over this issue in the future ?

To add to it....it's pretty funny how the member Zulu*Dawn was saying how wonderful the member 'yorkykids' was and how wise she is about yorkies - when she was actually talking about her own self....signed in as 2 different members.....

hehe - I guess you have to give her an A for being creative.

[ttreatsyorkies]

It is sad to see that some are abusing their babies, whether it be from spanking or from breeding them when they are to tiny. AKC, or any other registery, should set a firm law against breeding Tinies, anything under 5lbs. Yes that would be hard to regulate, but maybe we as breeders should have to provide AKC with a vet form of some sorts stating that our female is 5lbs or over. If someone does not provide that info than their litter should not be registerable. Alright I live in a dream world, but I like it.
As for catching that women that is hilarious that she thought that she could get away with it, after all she is not the first to be caught at doing this.

[Laura]

I know I am not an expert, but after one litter with a 7 pound mom, I know it would be horrifying to put a tiny girl through that, and if the pups were a small bit less healthy - It would cost more than you could ever make just to keep them alive - IF you didn't lose your little mom, too. My little 3 pound girl is so precious to me, I could not imagine trying to breed her - I just love her too much to take that chance. I was so worried about Zowie those last few days before whelping. I guess I think anyone who would consider it has no heart for living creatures.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by Laura

I know I am not an expert, but after one litter with a 7 pound mom, I know it would be horrifying to put a tiny girl through that, and if the pups were a small bit less healthy - It would cost more than you could ever make just to keep them alive - IF you didn't lose your little mom, too. My little 3 pound girl is so precious to me, I could not imagine trying to breed her - I just love her too much to take that chance. I was so worried about Zowie those last few days before whelping. I guess I think anyone who would consider it has no heart for living creatures.

I totally agree Laura~

While I respect the breeders on here and elsewhere who breed "responsibly" I could NEVER breed one of my own no matter how big they were. The horror stories are just too much for me to read, much less live through.... The risk to the lives of the mother and the puppies is just too much for me.

Kathy~ I do not act like a "know it all" or a "blowheart" (sic) any more than you do. You say you don't breed tiny females and you criticize me for having an opinion on the subject since I don't breed at all although I have had to nurse a sick tiny. For your logic to be relevant, no one would be allowed to offer an opinion unless they had actually bred a tiny female.

And everyone knows you were referring to me in your post so to try to pretend otherwise now is sort of silly, isn't it? I commend you on using your ignore button if you are unable to handle differing points of view without being respectful and civil. And, my goal is the same as yours on here...I have coached many newbies through syringe feeding a little one who is not eating, encouraging them to train their dogs for their safety, educating about coccidia, livershunt, luxating patellas and hypoglycemia, all of which I have researched thoroughly and have opinions on as a pet owner and breed fancier.

To try to infer that I somehow do not love this breed and these babies as much as those who show or breed for the show standard because I have different opinions and always have the best interest of the dog at heart, is self righteous and closed minded at best and down right prejudicial at worst.

And Villette~ There is definitely a prejudice against having or wanting tinies. You said you found fault with those "wanting tinies" in your earlier post on this very thread. Well, I believe there are perfectly legitimate reasons for wanting a smaller yorkie and I judge no one for it. Do I believe anyone and everyone should own one? NO! Just as I do not believe that everyone should have a yorkie. I can think of many many forum members who have said "I own one, but I don't advise anyone else to", they tell everyone how "sickly" they are and how careful you have to be, and how fragile they are, etc to dissuade people from them, and then they go right and get a second one. Or, there are members who own larger ones and say they would never have a tiny because they are "sickly, fragile and timid" and they go right out and buy one!! I just find that sad that these little dogs who are every bit the tenacious "Big Dog in the Little Dog Body" that their larger counterparts are and they get criticized all the time and portrayed as tiny and sick.

The truth is you can have a sickly, fragile, timid 5 lber as easily as you can a three lber, and you can have an aggressive, healthy, alpha in a 2 lber!! Tinies are no more innately fragile or sickly than 5 lbers in my experience.

And, I was not "clouding the issue" by stating that there is nothing wrong with breeding a tiny male since the thread didn't address a difference in sexes and we are here to educate. There are a lot of newbies to the breed who may think it is somehow bad to breed any tiny regardless of sex. It may be a silly thing in your opinion which didn't need stating, but I simply felt otherwise. Please do not harshly criticize me for thinking such.

[suzu1]

I agree you shouldn't breed tinies or hit your pet.
But also you can't compare a 3 month old human to a 3 month old dog.
3 month old humans can't even crawl yet let alone walk, no one would even consider sitting their 3 month old baby on the potty chair, but you do consider taking your 3 month old pup to the pee pad or outside, so no comparison.
Young pups have small bladders and you have to keep an eye on them closely and take them out many many times a day.
I would never hit my baby, but be ready to make some noise when you see them ready to do their business and take them where they need to be and praise and treat them.
I can't even understand why this thread was started in the first place?