I really need some answers...PLEASE!

[noid]

Hello My Yorkietalk Family...

Ok here's the situation... My partner and I were in the process of thinking about getting a companion for our 9month old furbaby. We always wanted two but had debates about getting another. Well when he's around other male playmates he's cool, there's not really any problems. The moment that he's around the female playmates, it's like his hormones turn him into a totally different dog. He never listens, dont respond to commands or anything. It's like were not even in the room with him. We have to literally chase him down and put him in time out. I mean is this normal and it will eventually calm down or what? We dont want to fix him because eventually if everything checks out right with the two we may want to breed in a few years.

So my question are... What are we to do in this situation? Does it become better or do it worsen? Is this a normal behavior?

We are totally confused and really need some answers. And again we do not want to fix him because we may want to breed, later on in life. Is that the only way to fix the problem is to fix him? Please we need some answers!

Talk with you all soon

Noid

[chachi]

From what I have read that is typical unneutered male behavior around an unspayed female. I dont think there is too much you can do about that if your going to breed

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by chachi

From what I have read that is typical unneutered male behavior around an unspayed female. I dont think there is too much you can do about that if your going to breed

Totally correct. And it doesn't get better, it get's worse after they're bred.

[Sugar's Mom]

ceeby never acts any different around my girls unless they are in heat. they run and play and sleep all together. I have two puppies, too. One male and one female. they play right with the 'big' dogs. ceeby just acts like 'one of the girls' till mating time.

[noid]

I've heard that they change or become more aggressive but wow i never knew the experience was like that or worse. Makes you second guess yourself.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by noid

I've heard that they change or become more aggressive but wow i never knew the experience was like that or worse. Makes you second guess yourself.

My studs aren't aggressive, just have a single tracked mine and become brainless when a girl is in Season. The only time a dog becomes aggresive with another dog is when a girl is in Season and they both want her......you know the ole fighting for the girl. You will have to keep the boys from the girls. Poor boys, they go off food, they don't sleep.....it's horrible.

[HisNameIsHarley]

I've never experienced this with my own pets because all mine are spayed/neutered but this is typical male behavior. And unaltered male only has one thing on his mind when around a female. This behavior is normal and will only grow tremendously worse if he is bred. I have been told many times that even if a male dog is bred only once that's all they focus on. A great family pet will start marking in the house and basically become a totally different dog.

I had originally wanted to breed Harley one day but after talking to a lot of well informed experienced breeders here on YT, I changed my mind and had him neutered. Breeding is a WHOLE lot more than just putting two dogs together and I am glad that I chose not to breed my guy. I would talk to some experienced breeders There are a lot of good people on here who would love to help you out

Also, I work for a discount spay/neuter program in my area and you wouldn't believe how many people complain about how they decided to breed their dog before having him neutered and it 'ruined' him. Every one of them complained of them marking in the house after years of great potty training and having a 'one track mind' and having issues with obedience. So IMO if you're looking for him to be a pet then I wouldn't breed him.

(please don't bite off my head anybody! )

[Mardelin]

Not biting off your head. It is true, however, it is manageable. But, only if you're prepared to breed and not just breed to because you think that's what you want to do. I guess what I'm saying is don't go into it lightly, either you're going to be a breeder and accept all the responsibilities, pitfalls as well as the joy.

My boys do play with the girls, but only when the girls aren't in Season. Once one does show signs that they are coming into Season, the boys and girls are seperated.

[HisNameIsHarley]

I just don't think dogs should be bred unless they are from a proven healthy lineage and are specific to the correct breed standard. There are so many unwanted dogs out in the world already and that's why only the best of the best should be bred strictly to improve upon the breed. Not just so you can have extra pets or to sell them for profit or just to experience the birth of puppies. Sry, got a little harsh there. But I suppose that's what I believe.

[HighlandYorkies]

Fair enough if you think that dogs shouldn't be bred from unless they are breed standard, but that doesn't guarantee good health either, and if that were true, would you think that disabled people shouldn't be born, and have nothing to offer either ?
I personally think that no matter what the Yorkie is like, and for however long it lives, all that should matter is that they are loved and enjoyed.
You don't always get all "good" pups in a litter - what do you do with those who don't conform ? They are all worth something in my eyes for just being themselves.
Often the best of them all in character are the ones which are not "breed standard" and repay the love they receive for them being special for whatever reason in bucketloads.
"Breed standard" dogs aren't always the best dogs - I am all for variety, as long as they receive only the very best in life from their owners. I'd quite happily take on a sad-looking doggie as well as a "good" puppy - it makes no odds to me. I have done both as well, in giving the three treasured Yorkies I have the very best home....no matter where they came from.
I am sure we all feel different things though, but I don't think most of us would see any dog in a terrible state, even if they are not show-quality.

DEBRA

[HighlandYorkies]

noid : If you don't want to breed yet, then you could either neuter a female puppy if you get one, or neuter the male you already have and just use a stud when you decide to breed your new female. Two males would probably fight if near a female in season, though I find that my entire male is just fine living with a neutered female and a whole female.(...though she will be neutered soon as well.) He is often just like a girl himself too !
I think I am just lucky, as he never tries to wander, has no behavioural issues, and is only interested in a female in season - though he won't go near her if you tell him not too ! He only did his first recent mating in private when he thought I wasn't looking ! (I watched all the time.) .....and he hasn't started to mark, and never has, thankheavens !
DEBRA

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

My studs aren't aggressive, just have a single tracked mine and become brainless when a girl is in Season. The only time a dog becomes aggresive with another dog is when a girl is in Season and they both want her......you know the ole fighting for the girl. You will have to keep the boys from the girls. Poor boys, they go off food, they don't sleep.....it's horrible.

Boy, isn't that the truth....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

noid : If you don't want to breed yet, then you could either neuter a female puppy if you get one, or neuter the male you already have and just use a stud when you decide to breed your new female. Two males would probably fight if near a female in season, though I find that my entire male is just fine living with a neutered female and a whole female.(...though she will be neutered soon as well.) He is often just like a girl himself too !
I think I am just lucky, as he never tries to wander, has no behavioural issues, and is only interested in a female in season - though he won't go near her if you tell him not too ! He only did his first recent mating in private when he thought I wasn't looking ! (I watched all the time.) .....and he hasn't started to mark, and never has, thankheavens !
DEBRA

don't you mean spaying your female....

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

Fair enough if you think that dogs shouldn't be bred from unless they are breed standard, but that doesn't guarantee good health either, and if that were true, would you think that disabled people shouldn't be born, and have nothing to offer either ?
I personally think that no matter what the Yorkie is like, and for however long it lives, all that should matter is that they are loved and enjoyed.
You don't always get all "good" pups in a litter - what do you do with those who don't conform ? They are all worth something in my eyes for just being themselves.
Often the best of them all in character are the ones which are not "breed standard" and repay the love they receive for them being special for whatever reason in bucketloads.
"Breed standard" dogs aren't always the best dogs - I am all for variety, as long as they receive only the very best in life from their owners. I'd quite happily take on a sad-looking doggie as well as a "good" puppy - it makes no odds to me. I have done both as well, in giving the three treasured Yorkies I have the very best home....no matter where they came from.
I am sure we all feel different things though, but I don't think most of us would see any dog in a terrible state, even if they are not show-quality.

DEBRA

Just to set the record straight the reason I don't think that dogs who arent show-quality shouldn't be bred is because there are already too many unwanted dogs in the world. There are millions of dogs killed every year in shelters because they were'nt spayed/neutered, reproduced unwanted litters and they wound up there. And yes pure bred dogs do end up at shelters too. Trust me, I love all dogs, pure, mutts whatever. I have 6 dogs 5 of which are lord knows what breed and Harley is my only pure bred dog. But he is not a well bred yorkie and has a heart murmur and therefore he should not be bred. A well bred show-quality yorkie that is bred simply to benefit the breed should have distinct and intact long history of paperwork of their background going through generations to keep track of any health issues and they should be shown to recieve honors and titles (not just an AKC paper). Harley is definately not standard, body is too long, knee problems, snout is super long, ears too big and floppy, wrong color, big nose, curly fuzzy coat, expected trachea issues, he's a tea-pot yorkie 10lbs , heart murmur.. but I love him 100% with all my heart. He's my bestfriend and I would do anything for him.

So please don't judge me and think I am against less than show-quality dogs. But I do not think dogs should be bred other than to benefit their specific breed. I work at a dog/cat shelter for our low cost spay/neuter program and we have purebred dogs come into our facility all the time. Heck, we had Tess (a yorkie.. http://www.baacs.org/Slideshow.asp?animal_id=629) for years and she was adopted and was in a home for 2yrs then returned for potty training issues. She was bred by a woman who thought she would breed to make more babies w/o thinking or being experienced and realized wow I can't afford this, it's hard to find good trusting homes and she just couldn't handle it. I'm sorry but it's for reasons just like this that I have this opinion. Luckily, she was adopted this past month by a wonderful family who has rescued yorkies before and are well aware of their needs.

The way noid described she wanted a pet not a breeding stud. Breeding a dog does change their personality and behavior. That's why I personally recommended to her not to breed him. Breeding is a huge responsibility and is a lot more than what people think it is. Trust me, I was in her shoes once, wanting to breed and keep my baby as a pet. But I asked well experienced breeders questions, listened and learned and realized that's it's not just putting two dogs together.

My intentions were not to attack her in anyway what so ever but to give her my opinion and views just like she asked. That was the purpose of this thread. Sharing information.

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

noid : If you don't want to breed yet, then you could either neuter a female puppy if you get one, or neuter the male you already have and just use a stud when you decide to breed your new female. Two males would probably fight if near a female in season, though I find that my entire male is just fine living with a neutered female and a whole female.(...though she will be neutered soon as well.) He is often just like a girl himself too !
I think I am just lucky, as he never tries to wander, has no behavioural issues, and is only interested in a female in season - though he won't go near her if you tell him not too ! He only did his first recent mating in private when he thought I wasn't looking ! (I watched all the time.) .....and he hasn't started to mark, and never has, thankheavens !
DEBRA

Do you mean spay? Males are neutered and females are spayed.