Is this possible to do?

[Emmsmom]

I was just surfing a few sites selling dogs. I came across this under the puppy contract page. I just really wonder how this can be done. there is no way that I would EVER sign something like this. However, for those that do can it actually be enforced? Should the time slip by me and I hear someone come knocking on my door.. Well it wouldn't be pretty. lol


If puppy is purchased as a pet you agree to neuter or spay the puppy by it's sixth month and will provide Seller with a copy of the Certificate of Spay/Neuter of the same. If Buyer fails to provide such proof within the specified time, Buyer agrees Seller will reclaim ownership of said dog and Buyer shall forfeit all monies paid into said dog. Seller will provide AKC limited registration application.

[mizzwanned]

I had to sign a contract like that. I got London from Purepups.com and everyone has to sign that contract. I plan on spaying her anyway so I don't really mind but I'm not sure what happens if you don't get them neutured/spayed.

[annaschaben]

Lots of good breeders require a contract. If you are just talking about the Spay/neuter part of the contrats. Breeders have those for a various number of reasons. One is so that people aren't just breeding their pets just to breed cute puppies and flood the market. Another is bc the breeder probably knows more about the puppies qualities than the average buyer, and may have deemed that puppy not show or breed worthy. This helps preserve the breed. There is a lot envolved in breeding and breeders know that most people shouldn't just go around breeding any two dogs together and this is their way of trying to prevent that.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Emmsmom

I was just surfing a few sites selling dogs. I came across this under the puppy contract page. I just really wonder how this can be done. there is no way that I would EVER sign something like this. However, for those that do can it actually be enforced? Should the time slip by me and I hear someone come knocking on my door.. Well it wouldn't be pretty. lol


If puppy is purchased as a pet you agree to neuter or spay the puppy by it's sixth month and will provide Seller with a copy of the Certificate of Spay/Neuter of the same. If Buyer fails to provide such proof within the specified time, Buyer agrees Seller will reclaim ownership of said dog and Buyer shall forfeit all monies paid into said dog. Seller will provide AKC limited registration application.

Very common and legal.

[Emmsmom]

Well I am not exactly dumb when it comes to buying a dog. If I pay that much for a dog then it should be up to me. At least I think it should be. If it was up to me I would just look elsewhere. Diesel isn't fixed and I don't plan on breeding him. Oh well.. I was just really curious. I just don't something like this can be enforced.

[Mardelin]

The reason breeders put this in their contracts is to protect their lines from being indescrimentatly bred. Companion yorkies are sold for less than those that are sold with unlimited registration. Those sold with unlimited registration are sold to people that the breeder has full trust in knowing that their lines will be taken care of. It's really up to the breeder as to how they'll allow their dogs to be sold.

This type of contract can be enforced. But, as stated by someone else, most responsible, reputable breeders are now spay/nuetering their companions before ever leaving their homes.

[daisysis]

..NOPE...
I would not sign and I would not buy..

[Emmsmom]

You know that is all fine and dandy. IF you ae going to spay or neuter your dogs then I would think that means their value goes way down. I don't think that breeders should be asking an arm and leg for pups they are having spayed or neutered. If the prices were lower then I would have no problem with these types of contracts. Don't ask me to pay 1000 plus for a dog that isn't intact.

[topknot]

Some of you guys just don't get it, do you. I have seen yorkies over the years, since 1979 and we are having some real problems with them now. Why? Because we are having people not do the research or testing on their dogs before breeding/ How many on YT that have pups now or are expecting really actually did the testing. Some may have researched lines, but I bet most did not.

If you want just a pet - why would you want to breed it. If you want pups, be up front with the breeder, do the research, testing, and pay a little more for good quality dogs.

I have had people lie right to my face when they wanted a pup and said they promised not to breed the pup and then found out - they slip and actually was the reason they wanted a pup was to eventually breed.
Now we are having people buy AKC pups sign the contract and then go to CKC (Continental) or one of the other registeries behind our backs. The breeder even states that they will guide and help the person in order to breed right - test, pick the right stud, etc... And then then they still went behind their backs and changed registeries becasue they did not want someone telling them what to do, instead of thinking how lucky they were.
With this going on - we are learning not to trust buyers. Sorry, but true. This is why most are asking for adoption applications and spending more and more time talking with buyers.

You are paying for the quality and heritage on a dog when the breeder sets the price. Also the health, since we are also doing the bile acid tests and checking petellas. Having extra testes or uterus - does not mean the dog is worth more - if you just want a pet, companion. You should be happy they are spayed or neutered! Most breaders are going to having the pups already done now when they sell the pups, because of people changing registers now!

I will probably have mine done before they are placed. Should I then as a reputable breeder be penalized and have to charge less for my pups because they are spayed and neutered, when in fact I have had to pay more for them to be spayed or neutered. I do not think this is fair.
The reason I would want my pups in a pet home, maybe being they would be the only dog and they get the one-on-one attention, but I should not have to sell them less because of this.

No one can tell if their pups are worth breeding till they are at least 5-6 months. So if you want a pup from me younger than 5 or 6 months - it will probably be spayed or neutered or at least a solid contract to do so.
I know a lot of breeders - top ones - and if you want a dog from them it will be spayed or neutered unless you can prove you show or have some reputation (good).

There are no short cute to breeding and doing it right. I spay or neuter to protect their lines and my name. I never want to see my name on a pedigree of a dog that is not up to par - really ugly and one with problems. And it can happen if I do not protect my pups. I cannot guarantee that future buyers will do their research and test their dogs before breeding to make sure the quality stays up there. Most reputable breeders feel the same way. So the next time you look for a nice pup - don't think you should get a discount because they are spayed or neutered. You should think how lucky you are!
And if you want to breed - do your research, buy an older pup, pay a little more, test your dogs, and be glad that a breeder wants to help you by mentoring you!
All JMO!
T.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by topknot

Some of you guys just don't get it, do you. I have seen yorkies over the years, since 1979 and we are having some real problems with them now. Why? Because we are having people not do the research or testing on their dogs before breeding/ How many on YT that have pups now or are expecting really actually did the testing. Some may have researched lines, but I bet most did not.

If you want just a pet - why would you want to breed it. If you want pups, be up front with the breeder, do the research, testing, and pay a little more for good quality dogs.

I have had people lie right to my face when they wanted a pup and said they promised not to breed the pup and then found out - they slip and actually was the reason they wanted a pup was to eventually breed.
Now we are having people buy AKC pups sign the contract and then go to CKC (Continental) or one of the other registeries behind our backs. The breeder even states that they will guide and help the person in order to breed right - test, pick the right stud, etc... And then then they still went behind their backs and changed registeries becasue they did not want someone telling them what to do, instead of thinking how lucky they were.
With this going on - we are learning not to trust buyers. Sorry, but true. This is why most are asking for adoption applications and spending more and more time talking with buyers.

You are paying for the quality and heritage on a dog when the breeder sets the price. Also the health, since we are also doing the bile acid tests and checking petellas. Having extra testes or uterus - does not mean the dog is worth more - if you just want a pet, companion. You should be happy they are spayed or neutered! Most breaders are going to having the pups already done now when they sell the pups, because of people changing registers now!

I will probably have mine done before they are placed. Should I then as a reputable breeder be penalized and have to charge less for my pups because they are spayed and neutered, when in fact I have had to pay more for them to be spayed or neutered. I do not think this is fair.
The reason I would want my pups in a pet home, maybe being they would be the only dog and they get the one-on-one attention, but I should not have to sell them less because of this.

No one can tell if their pups are worth breeding till they are at least 5-6 months. So if you want a pup from me younger than 5 or 6 months - it will probably be spayed or neutered or at least a solid contract to do so.
I know a lot of breeders - top ones - and if you want a dog from them it will be spayed or neutered unless you can prove you show or have some reputation (good).

There are no short cute to breeding and doing it right. I spay or neuter to protect their lines and my name. I never want to see my name on a pedigree of a dog that is not up to par - really ugly and one with problems. And it can happen if I do not protect my pups. I cannot guarantee that future buyers will do their research and test their dogs before breeding to make sure the quality stays up there. Most reputable breeders feel the same way. So the next time you look for a nice pup - don't think you should get a discount because they are spayed or neutered. You should think how lucky you are!
And if you want to breed - do your research, buy an older pup, pay a little more, test your dogs, and be glad that a breeder wants to help you by mentoring you!
All JMO!
T.

Bottom line; The breeder doesn't have to sell if you won't sign and I don't have to sell. My mentor spent countless years perfecting and protecting her lines. She trusted me with those lines, therefore it's up to me, to safeguard her trust and lines.

Once again, most reputable/responsible breeders did not just put together a contract, they had it drawn up by a lawyer. And a lot of breeders don't release AKC Registration until prove of spay/nueter has been performed.

[chachi]

As a buyer I dont think a breeder should hae to charge less because they have the dogs S & N before they leave them rr they have a contract that says you have to have it done. If anything i would think they could charge more if they are already spayed or neutered. I think most people are like me and just want a pet from a reputable breeder and if they have already been spayed or neutered or if it says in the contract that they have to be doesnt matter to them.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by chachi

As a buyer I dont think a breeder should hae to charge less because they have the dogs S & N before they leave them rr they have a contract that says you have to have it done. If anything i would think they could charge more if they are already spayed or neutered. I think most people are like me and just want a pet from a reputable breeder and if they have already been spayed or neutered or if it says in the contract that they have to be doesnt matter to them.

Absolutely right. $1,000 - $1,500 hundred is the probably the average price for a healthy yorkie with great pedigree.....Breeding and show dogs go for considerably more.

I would think most people wanting companion yorkies would be thrilled that the spay/nuetering had been done up front.....that way they don't have to go through the worrying and hastle of having it done.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Absolutely right. $1,000 - $1,500 hundred is the probably the average price for a healthy yorkie with great pedigree.....Breeding and show dogs go for considerably more.

I would think most people wanting companion yorkies would be thrilled that the spay/nuetering had been done up front.....that way they don't have to go through the worrying and hastle of having it done.

[topknot]

By having your pet spayed or neutered you know you actually lower their risks of getting cancer! Yep! By having a female dog spayed at 6 months of age lowers the chances of them getting mammory tumors. It is very hard to treat. I use to be a vet tech and do know something about this. My sister-in law had a shepard that got mammory tumors. We went in and operated (vet) and tried to get them all out. I assisted and operated the anesthia and oxygen and then helped to suture - close up. We really tried our best to get them all out though. It is so important to get all the tumors or the ones left seem to multiply faster once you have opened the dog. She ended up dying within the next 6 months. She was a great dog - very friendly and so sweet. Her name was Ginger! My vet said that this could have probably been avoided if she had been spayed when younger. So the next time you think - it is your choice not to spay your dog - and you just have her as a pet - think of Ginger!
I guess it is the owner's choice. So when you buy a pup that is already spayed/neutered be thankful!
T.

[topknot]

Around here 1,500 is normal for a pet quality pup without champions in the front of the pedigree. Of course testing and all should still be included. So if spay/neuter is also included - wow, what a great deal!
T.