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10-30-2006, 08:20 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rochester, MN
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| APRI v. AKC I was wondering if anyone would know...I recently looked at Winnie's breeder's website and noticed that she has switched from AKC registration to APRI. I checked to see if her name was on the banned list for AKC and it's not. Is this something I should worry about? It just seems a little strange to me. |
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10-30-2006, 04:44 PM | #2 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rochester, MN
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| No opinions? Because I am considering buying another puppy...but not sure if I am completely comfortable with the switch from AKC to APRI...also she lowered prices. |
10-30-2006, 04:46 PM | #3 |
Dogs Rule Cats Drool! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee
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| I hope someone helps you soon I really don't know the answer to that...sorry
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10-30-2006, 06:02 PM | #4 |
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| Here is an article I have posted before on YT that explains a bit about the registries. The oldest and most recognized all-breed registries in North America are the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) the AKC and the UKC (United Kennel Club) These registries exist to promote and advance the purebred dog. They approve breed standards, maintain birth records, promote responsible ownership, sponsor and sanction dog shows and performance events, maintain offical records of these events and award titles. Registration is not, however, PROOF OF QUALITY. The breed registries essentially the paperwork for the keeping records, though they do have regulations that must be followed they DO NOT police the breeders. In simple terms, a reg'd puppy means that he was born to reg'd parents. The responsible breeder's main goal in breeding is always to improve on their breed and in your search for a purebred dog, it is your responsibility to be selective and verify the breeder you choose. So how important is a reg'd dog? If your goal is to show, or breed then registration papers are very important. If your goal is simply to find a companion dog go to your local shelter, If however your looking for a specific breed, a purebred dog, registration papers are still important even if you have no intentions of showing or competing with your dog. Why? because you have the ability to see the chosen puppy's ancestry. It also provides a means for a responsible breeder to track pedigree of breeding stock and make an educated decision on breeding. In your research to finding a responsible and reputable breeder, the registry used by the breeder does play an important part. If the breed is a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC but the breeder is not registering his/her litters with the same registry be cautious and find out why! There are several reasons why a breeder would choose one of these but the vast majority of reason are not good for example being suspended from the AKC, CKC or the UKC or that the breeder refuses to abide by the code of ethics or one of many other reasons. Bottomline is a RED FLAG must be raised as to why the breeder is not using one of these registries. In addition, even if the dog is not a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC breed you need to find a breeder who is registering his dogs with the most reputable registry-single breed or all breed. A list of other all-breed registries are ACA, APR, APRI, ARU, CRCS, CKC (Continental Kennel Club), DRA, FIC, IPDBA, NKC, NAPDR, UABR, UKCI, WKC , WWKC. Caution should be exercised when dealing with a breeder who registers with any of these registries, many breeders use the registries because they are unable to meet the more demanding requirements of the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), AKC or UKC. APR - starts a pedigree file with the infomation sent by the owner of the unpapered dog so he may become papered. They take the owners word for it no proof is required that it is a purebred. APRI promotes the sale of a dog through distributors and retailers (puppy mills). They offer FREE dual registration on dogs from other reg' services to profession breeders. A "professional breeder" is one who has three or more breeding females and who regularly sells puppies in the pet market. CKC (Continental Kennel Club) does not require a past pedigree to register a dog. They will register the offspring of any purebred dog not as purebreds but as the offspring of the purebreds under their miscellaneous section. Tehy also provide special rates to the kennels that register 10 or more breeding stock dogs (puppymills) CRCS recognizes and tracks and papers dogs whose lineage DO NOT follow the standards of a breed, also considered an "all canine" registry. They register cross breeds or out of standard dogs. DRA registers cross breeds such as cocker-poos and peke-a-poos IPDBA may accept any new breed regardless of ancestry for reg purposes provided it meets the criteria of being phenotypically different from an existing recognized breed. NAPDR A purebred dog that does not have registration papers may be registered by sending pictures. Also NAPDR has commercial rates for breeders that have 5 or more breeding dogs (puppy mills) UABR promotes the sale of dogs through retailers and promotes retailers as a reliable source of healthy pets. Stating on their website as factual documentation that the health of puppies purchased from retailers (puppy mills) are equal and in many ways superior to those attained from other sources (the breeder). UKCI will reg cross breeds under special registration programs as well will register a dog for whatever reason it is not registered in the litter or either the sire/dame is not registered or perhaps registry was denied from other registries. Also extends bulk discounts to breeders. WKC reg's dog with no past history. WWKC will register new breed (cross breed) or rare breed I hope all this information is helpful to those buyers that are not aware of the many different registries and what each registries mission is. Bottomline here is to proceed with caution and know your breeder and why they opt to reg with the alternative agencies. And for those breeders that explain "its because of cost" are perhaps the ones you want to avoid for those are more often the puppy mills that are in the breed for profit (quantity not quality) not abiding to the animal care principles nor their well being, more often than not producing substandard health and quality of the breed. This doesnt mean ALL registries I listed above produce only inferior breed stock because there are respectable, responsible and caring breeders that may have aquired their dogs without papers but the dame/sire are AKC but purchased on a NO Breed contract. If that be the case some breeders have no choice than to paper their dogs else where giving credibility to the breeding program. Simply question them, ask them outright why they chose their registry and if you are comfortable with the breeder, their explaination and the quality of litter they produce don't be hesitant (unless your objective is to purchase a show quality dog and your intent is to show him/her even then there are no guarantees you have a champion). |
10-31-2006, 07:02 AM | #5 |
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| Can I ask you who your breeder was? We got our girl from MN (we live in NE). The lady we got ours from said that she was switching from AKC to APR bc it cost less to register litters through the APR. You will get tons of people telling you that AKC is the only way to go. However, there are quite a few breeders out there switching to APR. I say if you like the quality of your first puppy that you got from her, there is no reason to think that the second puppy will be any different. If you are getting the puppy for just a pet the registeration doesn't really matter. Good luck with the new pup, Anna
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10-31-2006, 08:16 AM | #6 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rochester, MN
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| I'll PM you her name...I don't want to post it and for people to think I had a bad experience with her because I didn't. She answered all of our questions and appeared to care for the dogs a lot. I just noticed that change in registry and wanted to see what others thought about that. Thanks for all the advice guys! |
10-31-2006, 08:39 AM | #7 |
YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota
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| Hi winnie, I think you might be talking about me. I sold a few pups to people in Rochester MN ( and think I remember the name winnie), lowered my prices ,and Added APRI to some of my dogs. The reason for adding the APRI to my last litters was because I bought my stud Jack from a gal in CA. and I know he is getting close to have his DNA test done for AKC. It takes a long time to get it back so the litters can be registered. I was busy with the birth of my granddaughter and rather than have the buyers wait for months for AKC papers I dual registered them. So the parents are AKC and APRI, but the litter was APRI to save time. The people were buying for pets, not show or breeding so it didn't matter to them. I will be having Jack's DNA done over the winter, and won't be breeding in the winter so time won't be a issue now. I lowered my prices because there are soooo many Yorkie breeders now and the market seemed to be flooded. I usually have a waiting list............... I looked in the paper and there were about 25 ads VS the normal 7 or so. The prices were so cheap I about feel over. Getting great homes for my pups is the most important to me , so rather than ask more and sit on them, I just lowered my prices for now and found them great homes. I added a link to the APRI so people could go look if they had concerns. I have not dropped AKC , just did the APRI to save time on Jack's litter. If you were talking about me, I would love to see pictures of the pup and get a update on how things are going. If not, thats why I lowered my prices and added APRI. |
10-31-2006, 09:56 AM | #8 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 200
| Hey there Jeanie! I sure was talking about you! Thanks for the honest answer...I was actually thinking about just sending you an email because I was curious. And like I said I didn't want anyone to think I had a bad experience with you because it was exactly the opposite. I was just a little concerned, but now I see that I had nothing to worry about! Hopefully I can convince Mike that we NEED another yorkie so maybe we'll be seeing you again soon! -Sharon |
10-31-2006, 10:11 AM | #9 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 200
| Oh and Jeanie I will definitely send you some pics! I've been meaning to, but Winnie does not like posing for the camera...Here's one from my camera phone...its a little fuzzy. |
10-31-2006, 10:28 AM | #10 |
YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota
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| Hi, it's such a small yorkie world. How big did she get? She is really cute. I kept her sister back for breeding in the future and named her Jazz. She is a character! If your ever in the area, stop by and say hi and bring her. She can see her sister and they can play. Thanks for the pictures. Will you email one to me so I can post it with the other past pups? |
10-31-2006, 10:31 AM | #11 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 200
| She's 5 lbs of spoiled rotten! Ha ha ha. And yes, I'll email you a pic, I'll try to do that this afternoon. And I would love to get together so she could play with her sister! All of our friends have bigger dogs and they don't really know how to play with Winnie. |
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