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08-14-2006, 05:05 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas
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| The Breeder ... opinions??? Please read the following exchange between me and the breeder of my baby and give me your feedback: Subject: New Issues with Reggie Date: Mon, August 14, 2006 1:19 pm To: <carolyn@specialpaws.com> Hi Carolyn, I tried calling you a couple of times over the weekend and I left messages on your voice mail. I took Reggie to the vet on Friday because he’s had a couple of incidents of sudden limping, followed by walking just fine. The vet confirmed that Reggie has luxating patellas and that the left rear leg is worse than the right. Reggie does not jump off of furniture because we have dog steps for him to get on our couch and he thinks he can’t jump off. Have you had this problem surface in any of his litter mates or any other dogs that you bred using Reggie’s parents? What kind of genetic guarantee do you give for your puppies? I had considered possibly using Reggie as a stud, but now it is definitely out of the question. Can you give me some advice or help with this please? Thank you, Ruth Dear Ruth, My guarantee is almost the entire home page of the website at www.specialpaws.com I have not had any problems with the luxating patellas and none of my breeders have this condition, as I have them checked for this before breeding. No other customer has notified me of this problem with his parents or other litter mates. Seems strange your vet just caught this because that is something they usually check on the first visit when you get the puppy healthchecked right after you buy it. Read the health guarantee and if you have any questions let me know. I am sorry not to call you back, I did call you back this morning but probably that is your home number and you are at work. I just had to take a break this weekend I am too tired for words. Talk to you soon, Carolyn
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08-14-2006, 05:19 PM | #2 |
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| how long have you had this puppy??
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08-14-2006, 05:34 PM | #3 |
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| Seems nice.... Your breeder seems pretty nice......my question is....how long have you had this puppy? The agreement says "within 7 days" you have to have the puppy examined...... I thought they were usually 1 yr against congenital issues....maybe if she got the report from the Vet, that may help. Best of luck |
08-14-2006, 05:41 PM | #4 | |
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I would have two questions: 1) She says on her site that SHE has them vet checked, so I question as to why her vet didn't catch this??? 2) Of course, my second question is why didn't your vet catch this on the vet check you had done as soon as you brought him home???
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08-14-2006, 05:43 PM | #5 |
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| IMHO, she sounds "friendly" enough but didn't make too much sense to me. First off, luxating patellas can develop later on and cannot always be determined at a young age. She also states that she's never had a problem with the parents before - ask if her dogs are OFA tested? It doesn't take much to have your dog tested and again in my opinion, it should be done. Keep in mind that luxating patellas are a recessive gene and even if the parents are clear it could still occur in the pups. Sounds like a "Catch 22" but I feel the testing should begin somewhere. Good Luck.... |
08-14-2006, 05:49 PM | #7 | |
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Luxating patellas are a genetic defect. | |
08-14-2006, 05:56 PM | #8 | |
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__________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley | |
08-14-2006, 05:59 PM | #9 |
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| I got Reggie in February and I did take him to the vet right away. The vet checked him over carefully but didn't see any problems with him. I wasn't even asking the breeder to give me money. I wanted to do a couple of things: 1. Check to see if she was aware of any issues in Reggie's bloodlines. 2. See how she would react or what she would offer once she knew there was a problem. When I went to her house looking for a puppy, I did ask if I could see where she kept her dogs and she told me that it would upset the mother dogs if I went in where she kept them. I could hear lots of dogs barking and if you look at her website, you will see how many puppies she has available all of the time. Maybe I should have realized then that there was something suspicious. I guess you live and you learn... I feel like I've learned a lot. Here is her website: www.specialpaws.com
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08-14-2006, 06:03 PM | #10 | |
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YOU should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be able to see the dam and the sire. actually before puppies!!
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08-14-2006, 06:04 PM | #11 |
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| We are all constantly learning. It's not your fault. I found this and it may give you some helpful info. At least, I hope so: Many toy dogs live their whole lives with luxating patellas and are never lame. A "luxating patella" would be best described as a "trick knee" which can move out of place if injured by jumping or walking in a hole in the ground, etc. Toy dogs are prone to this because of their diminutive size. No matter how firm the knees seem as puppies, toy dogs are liable to injure their knees depending on the degree of luxation. The grooves in the knee where the knee fits is sometimes shallow and the knees can be very wobbly. Most breeders do try to breed away from this. The taller more fine-boned dogs seem to be more prone to this kind of injury. Sometimes, if the knee pops out and stretches the ligaments that hold it in place, it becomes a chronic problem and the dog becomes lame and in this case, the first treatment would be to keep the dog crated for a week or two and supervise the activity -- no jumping from furniture and up and down behind a gate on a slippery floor, etc. Also in conjunction with that the dog should be given prednisolone to take down the inflammation. My Vet suggests 1/2 of 5 mg tablet 2 times a day for three days, 1/2 of 5 mg tablet one time per day for three days and then 1/2 of 5 mg tablet every other day four times during the crating convalescing time. Check with your Vet for the dosage and this prescription medication. Usually this period of rest will be all that is necessary to correct the situation. Surgery is very seldom the answer and should only be done by an orthopedic surgeon if the dog is lame. My vet says that if surgery is done for a luxating patella on a dog that is not lame, he can guarantee you that THAT dog will have problems with arthritis from the surgery five years down the line. Many show dogs have finished their title with at least one luxating patella. http://www.shooterdog.com/alexfaq2.htm
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08-14-2006, 06:05 PM | #12 |
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| L.P., from what I've read, can be hereditary, congenital, or injury related. She seems rather adamite that it's not genetic, and these are the defects that she warrants her dogs for greater than 7 days for. If you want her to do something about the dog (replacing it...) you need to ask her directly if she is willing to do that. You'll have a hard time proving genetics. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. |
08-14-2006, 06:05 PM | #13 |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | Hey there...The only thing that really springs out after reading this again is that IF your breeder truly never did have a puppy with LP...She would have been shocked or upset - not denying it so calmly. My Chanel's breeder was the same way when I told her Chanel had coccidia ...Her attitude was complete denial for what she knew to be a problem with the puppies she sold - This woman blaming the vet for not catching it is just another form of placing blame. If she sells THAT many puppies - you can almost bet she's had complaints before. |
08-14-2006, 06:10 PM | #14 |
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| Carolynn, This is something that I learned when I was raising Guide Dogs for the Blind. I am going to share this even though this has to do with hips I am not sure exactly how it would relate. But I think it is along the same line and please someone correct me if I am wrong. Guide Dogs checks all of the dogs for hip displaysia. All puppies are x-rayed at 5 months if they clear that x-ray then they go through more testing(hips,shoulders ect) when they are returned to school at around 1 year to 18 months. The best of the best become the breeders however even though they are certified(hips) sometimes they through a baby that has bad hips. My understanding is that the certification only guarentees the parent to free of the problem and that the breeder did not breed a dog that has that particular issue. But sometimes things happen and a baby can have a problem. I think sometimes it seems a little misleading if you do not understand what it is all about. I did not go to the web site and read what your breeder said about the health guarentee. What is their policy? I have seen where many will replace the pup if it is level 4, but that is the most extreme. My thought and prayers are with you. I know how hard this must be for you right now
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08-14-2006, 06:13 PM | #15 |
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| I am not a breeder but 7 days? Some things don't show up in 7 days. Some start to show at a certain period and time of growth. Once again this is only my opinion, but 7 days is not the correct time frame.
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