Not sure what to do about Macie's breeder...

[spruitt7]

As some of you may know, Macie passed away due to undeveloped organs on Monday.

Ive been on contact with her breeder about the health agreement. Shes been very helpful. She has stated that she will honor the agreement by giving me another puppy.

She has given me 3 options. I can

1) get Macie's sister who is 10 months and weighs only 2.5lbs.

2) Wait for Macie's parents to have pups again, which will be in about 8 months.

3) Pick from a litter that is due in June. The female I believe is small.


She explained that she did get Macie's parents vet checked and he said they are ok to breed.

From previous emails, I know her dogs are only 3lbs-4lbs maybe. Like Ive stated previously, Macie only grew to 2lbs 13oz. Her sister is only 2.5lbs.

Im really not sure what to do b/c 1) Idk if I could handle getting Macie's sister. I remember they looked ALOT alike. 2) Shes still VERY tiny for her age.

She also told me Macie is the last puppy she sold. As far as the other pups in the litter, Im not sure if they are healthy or not. She says Ella is.

Any advice with this situation would be helpful.

[Nancy1999]

I would not be emotionally strong enough to get another dog from a breeder who produced a dog with undeveloped organs. I would want my money back. I would take her to small claims court. If she's breeding tiny females, I believe that is really cruel, and I would not want to be any part of that abuse. I’m very sorry for the loss of your dog. Please look for a breeder who isn’t breeding tinies. Good breeders pet them out, they don’t breed them.

[BellarousasMom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I would not be emotionally strong enough to get another dog from a breeder who produced a dog with undeveloped organs. I would want my money back. I would take her to small claims court. If she's breeding tiny females, I believe that is really cruel, and I would not want to be any part of that abuse. I’m very sorry for the loss of your dog. Please look for a breeder who isn’t breeding tinies. Good breeders pet them out, they don’t breed them.

I don't know about breeders and such, I bought Bella from an individual that was looking to rehome and she was 16 months old. But I think Nancy might be right. I'm sorry about your loss tho. It's is heartbreaking to loose one.

[MY OSCAR]

well i do not know the whole story but if the breeder is willing to give you
macies sister, will she provide you with proof that the parents are healthy.
will she get the puppy vet checked and provide medical records?
if you do want the little sister get her if she is healthy

[LunasMomma]

I'm sorry for your loss of little Macie Poor baby

I'd be SUPER DUPER hesitant to even get another pup from this breeder, whether it was from the same parents or not. Why is she even breeding those same dogs again? Sounds like she breeds tinies and that is a big NO NO!

I'd get a refund, if it was me. If I had to take her to court, then so be it. Just how I feel about it. Good luck whatever you decide to do

[spruitt7]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I would not be emotionally strong enough to get another dog from a breeder who produced a dog with undeveloped organs. I would want my money back. I would take her to small claims court. If she's breeding tiny females, I believe that is really cruel, and I would not want to be any part of that abuse. I’m very sorry for the loss of your dog. Please look for a breeder who isn’t breeding tinies. Good breeders pet them out, they don’t breed them.

Yes I agree. She said Ella has had a full panel of blood work ran. I feel like I just want to save Ella from the whole situation b/c I dont want to take a chance on that breeder trying to breeder her.

I would prefer not to make it a sticky situation. Plus I probably would end up paying more money for small claims court.

Since Macie's health contract still has two months on it, Ella would be covered during that time.

She did send me a really long email about the vet visit and what he said. Im just not sure if I should post it here.

[chachi]

You could get her sister just know that you could e setting yourself up for more heartaches later on

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by spruitt7

Yes I agree. She said Ella has had a full panel of blood work ran. I feel like I just want to save Ella from the whole situation b/c I dont want to take a chance on that breeder trying to breeder her.

I would prefer not to make it a sticky situation. Plus I probably would end up paying more money for small claims court.

Since Macie's health contract still has two months on it, Ella would be covered during that time.

She did send me a really long email about the vet visit and what he said. Im just not sure if I should post it here.

Small claims court costs only a $25.00 filing fee. I'm pretty sure even a bad breeder won't breed a 2.5 pound dog. I feeling strongly about not rescuing dogs from bad breeders, you are enabling them to continue the abuse of dogs. I would not take her word for "what the vet said." If you decide you just have to have this dog, I hope you will at least talk to the vet yourself. Tell him about your experience.

[CesarTheGreat]

When people try to breed dogs to be a certain way - be it size or color, you always get these defects.

Get a normal size Yorkie from healthy Yorkie parents.

A 4lb yorkie isn't any cuter than a 7 or 10 pound yorkie.

[spruitt7]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Small claims court costs only a $25.00 filing fee. I'm pretty sure even a bad breeder won't breed a 2.5 pound dog. I feeling strongly about not rescuing dogs from bad breeders, you are enabling them to continue the abuse of dogs. I would not take her word for "what the vet said." If you decide you just have to have this dog, I hope you will at least talk to the vet yourself. Tell him about your experience.

If I did go to court, how could I even win? It clearly states in my contract that I would receive another puppy.

[gracielove]

Wow. That's a hard one. I don't think I would want another dog from that breeder especially since she is consistently producing tiny puppies. I guess you have to abide by the contract and if there was no stipulation about returning your money you may not get anything.

Getting her sister would be very difficult. She may look like your baby but she is not going to act like your baby. You don't know how well trained she is either. Has she ever done the breeding of the upcoming litter before? If so what was the result? Your dealing with someone who is breeding for some very shady reasons. Tiny dogs are popular but for every healthy one there is at least one sick puppy that lives a short life full of sickness. I can understand your wanting to get your money back but I don't know that you will get it. I can also understand wanting another puppy but that is taking such a big risk.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by CesarTheGreat

When people try to breed dogs to be a certain way - be it size or color, you always get these defects.

Get a normal size Yorkie from healthy Yorkie parents.

A 4lb yorkie isn't any cuter than a 7 or 10 pound yorkie.

Breeders who breed to standard, have dogs that are less than 7 pounds for the most part. Standard is "must not exceed 7 pounds." A four pound yorkie is fine as a pet, but a breeder shouldn't be breeding it. Anything under 4 pounds, usually has more health problems.

[Lil Sis]

As many of us have learned the hard way about how to find a healthy pup and what to look for... you sure have. I am so very sorry this has been so hard on you.

I do question why this breeder would breed the parents again, if Marcie's illness was genetics. Also the size.. it makes me nervious that someone would breed small females.

But....what is your legal choices? There is a good chance Ella would be ok (I have the brother of a female that dies of a kidney defect.. a different breed) and he is very healthy (three year latter) but maybe I just got very lucky!!! And how would you feel with Ella?

If you only have the choice of a pup as replacement you either take one or not. You may or may not win that fight.

So what would I do? If I could I would fight for my money and vet bills back.. if not I would ask to see any documentation on the second litter and maybe take of of the pups from that litter.

Good luck

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by spruitt7

If I did go to court, how could I even win? It clearly states in my contract that I would receive another puppy.

The contract was written to protect the breeder not you, a judge knows this and takes that into account. She has to live up to the terms of the contract more than you do. If the dog had died of a common ailment, it wouldn't be as fearful getting another dog from this breeder, but since the dog died from undeveloped organs, I think a judge would understand why you would be leery to receive another from the same breeder. Also, you could print out material from the YTCA, which is the mother club, which says that breeders shouldn't be breeding a dog under 5 pounds. Is this the same breeder you asked about in another thread?

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by spruitt7

She has given me 3 options. I can

1) get Macie's sister who is 10 months and weighs only 2.5lbs.

2) Wait for Macie's parents to have pups again, which will be in about 8 months.

3) Pick from a litter that is due in June. The female I believe is small.

What reason did the breeder give for keeping Macie's sister? I personally wouldn't want a yorkie quite that small, but I know some people prefer tinies.

A pup from the same parents...yikes. Not sure where I'd fall on this one. Look at all the humans that have one offspring with defects yet the others siblings are fine.

I'd probably choose option 3 and have the pick of a litter.

Whatever you chose, I hope it works out well for you and you get a healthy puppy to love & raise.