Silky Puppy vs Yorkie Puppy how can you tell? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Bittsy · 08-04-2010, 11:11 AM

Silky puppy vs Yorkie puppy how can you tell the difference? Can you? I know once the puppy gets bigger you can tell differences as far as their snout, nose, eyes ears, length and wt but can you tell with a brand new puppy characteristic differences?I have a almost two year old Yorkie or what I thought was a Yorkie and now finding out she is likely a silky and not a Yorkie all her paperwork and certification says Yorkie but she is definitely a silky from what I've read online.I am mad and wonder if at this point I can sue the breeder who sold her to me for my money back.Has anyone else ran into this before? Now she is pregnant and the father is a Yorkie the puppies are due to arrive in three weeks I plan on keeping a puppy from the litter but I want it to be a Yorkie how can I tell that I will be getting a Yorkie and not a silky or will all the puppies still be a mix? Please HELP! I need advice....I am so frustrated that I paid so much for a dog that I thought and was told was a Yorkie gerrr!!!!

BlueBelle · 08-04-2010, 11:16 AM

I am sure you are upset, but it is often hard to tell them apart due to genetic differences between 1 puppy and another even in the same litter.

chachi · 08-04-2010, 11:21 AM

Are you sure its not just a yorkie not bred to the standard. Ive had people say my male is a silky too because hes bigger and has some silky characteristics but I know hes a yorkie. I think that is very common and its highly unlikely that a breeder sold you a silky and told you it was a yorkie

Beamers Mom · 08-04-2010, 11:27 AM

After two years I doubt you could sue the breeder. The first flag for me on buying was that the puppy was CKC registered and not AKC (from one of your previous posts where you stated that the registration was with Continental Kennel Club)

Nancy1999 · 08-04-2010, 11:33 AM

If the paper says your dog is a yorkie, it's a yorkie, especially if you got it from a reliable registry, such as the AKC, and even then the registry is no better than the breeder. Breeds are manmade things, and the word silky or yorkie has a certain meaning but not every purebred dog is a great example of the breed. Many people breed whatever dogs they have, and without selective breeding for certain qualities a purebred will look like a mutt in a few generations, but it is still a "purebred." There are genetics tests that can tell if your dog is mostly yorkie, but they are not 100% accurate. I'm more concerned with people breeding for the wrong reasons. We have too many pets available now, and the only breeding that should be done is to preserve, protect, and improve the breed. Unless your dog is a wonderful example of the breed, you shouldn't be breeding. People seem to think every "masculine" looking yorkie is a silky, but Silky's aren't really that common in the States, they are more prevalent in Australia. So just because a yorkie has a longer nose, or doesn't grow coat very well, it does not make them a Silky. Bottom line, is if your dog isn't a great example of the breed, you shouldn't breed, no matter what the registry says of it's bloodline.

Rhetts_mama · 08-04-2010, 11:35 AM

If indeed you have a silky, then all pups she carries will be silky mixes. There's just no way around genetics.

Which registry are her papers through? If it's AKC, you should have a pretty good lineage on her (assuming it wasn't falsified). With CKC, it's a crap shoot IMO, since they have very loose standards on what it takes to prove you have a "purebred" anything.

As Chachi said, it's possible that you have a full bred yorkie, but one who just wasn't bred properly to breed standard. If you are really concerned, ask your vet about DNA testing, but don't buy the ones from online or Petsmart. If you are to have any standing in a court case, you will need an official one done.

Then comes the next matter. If she is a silky or a mix, then you would have to prove the breeder KNOWINGLY deceived you. That's pretty hard to do. Then you have to look at whether or not you would even be eligible under the laws of your state to sue. In the end, suing may end up costing you a whole lot more money than you could possibly be eligible to recover.

But because you have questions about her lineage, it's now imcumbent on you to not try and pass the puppies off to new buyers as full yorkies. Otherwise, you could very well find your self on the other side of the courtroom aisle in a couple of years.

YorkieChick1 · 08-04-2010, 11:42 AM

Years ago, I had an AKC registered Yorkie, but I always thought that she looked more like a silky. She was my first Yorkie and I didn't investigate the way I would now because I bought her from a pet home in 1990. Well, years later just for the hell of it my vet did a dna test on her because he always thought that if she wasn't 1/2 Silkie then she might be full and what do you know, she was 100% Silkie sold as an AKC Yorkie!! The "breeder" could have had a friend that had AKC registered Yorkies that was willing to list her dogs as the true parents of my dog, who knows, they just can sell Yorkies for more than Silkies so that is why they do it. When there is a will there is a way and some people don't care about committing fraud!! Buyer beware!!

Bittsy · 08-04-2010, 12:40 PM

Gerr it so frustration the hardest part is I actually think she is Yorkie and silky mix so as a puppy I could not tell. I was looking at photos and trying to compare Yorkie and silky puppies all day and I really cannot tell.She is only approx. 7 lbs(currently with 3 weeks to go in her pregnancy she weighs 8lbs 3oz.) but definitely has a very long body, longer snout, bigger nose, and her fur doesn't touch the floor close but definitely not the same coat as a Yorkie. I am hoping to be able to pick a puppy out of the litter when she has then that will be smaller full grown and have a more teddy bear face.I will post pictures on here when they arrive and hopefully everyone can tell me which one I should pick. Thanks for trying to make me feel better!!!!

Nancy1999 · 08-04-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bittsy

Gerr it so frustration the hardest part is I actually think she is Yorkie and silky mix so as a puppy I could not tell. I was looking at photos and trying to compare Yorkie and silky puppies all day and I really cannot tell.She is only approx. 7 lbs(currently with 3 weeks to go in her pregnancy she weighs 8lbs 3oz.) but definitely has a very long body, longer snout, bigger nose, and her fur doesn't touch the floor close but definitely not the same coat as a Yorkie. I am hoping to be able to pick a puppy out of the litter when she has then that will be smaller full grown and have a more teddy bear face.I will post pictures on here when they arrive and hopefully everyone can tell me which one I should pick. Thanks for trying to make me feel better!!!!

What are you wanting her for, as a pet or to breed? Yorkies change so much the first couple of years. Experienced breeders say, you can't tell much until at least 7 months. A silky and a yorkie should have a very similar coat in color and texture, if a yorkie has a cotton coat, it's much harder to care for, and the silk coat is a breeze to care for.

Britster · 08-04-2010, 12:49 PM

@yorkiechick1 Wow! How much did you pay for that DNA test, if you don't mind me asking? Because I've had 5 reputable Silky breeders tell me they are almost 100% sure Jackson is a Silky, but I've had others on dog forums tell me he's just a badly bred Yorkie. Obviously, either way I don't care, and they are all technically related (Australian Terrier, Yorkie, Silky). I'm just curious. Jackson was from a BYB who probably didn't even know what her dogs were. No papers or anything.

Here's good comparisons:
Home of the Gorgeous Silky Terrier!! - Compare the silky to....

Jackson has the body shape of the show Silky's I see, the snout, the face, the temperament from what I've read, everything! So I don't know, either. He's just a great pet.

Bittsy · 08-04-2010, 12:50 PM

We would like to use he as both our pet and and breeding that's why we would never get rid of her now she is a part of the family.

Bittsy · 08-04-2010, 12:52 PM

I think she is Yorkie and silky mix.

Bittsy · 08-04-2010, 12:54 PM

Oh yeah he does look a lot like a silky

Mardelin · 08-04-2010, 01:07 PM

You're dog may or may not be pure bred.

However, this is where having an AKC pedigreed dog would have helped you, even though you said it wasn't important at the time.

Cha Cha · 08-04-2010, 01:18 PM

My Moka, in my avatar, is supposed to be a Silky (Not Akc, of course), compared to Brister's Jackson, there are a lot of differences. Moka is not the color of a Silky and not the size. But I give her credit, she does have the Silky ears! I sure do love her what ever she is.....

08-04-2010, 11:11 AM	#1
Bittsy BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jackson, Michigan, USA Posts: 20	Silky Puppy vs Yorkie Puppy how can you tell? Silky puppy vs Yorkie puppy how can you tell the difference? Can you? I know once the puppy gets bigger you can tell differences as far as their snout, nose, eyes ears, length and wt but can you tell with a brand new puppy characteristic differences?I have a almost two year old Yorkie or what I thought was a Yorkie and now finding out she is likely a silky and not a Yorkie all her paperwork and certification says Yorkie but she is definitely a silky from what I've read online.I am mad and wonder if at this point I can sue the breeder who sold her to me for my money back.Has anyone else ran into this before? Now she is pregnant and the father is a Yorkie the puppies are due to arrive in three weeks I plan on keeping a puppy from the litter but I want it to be a Yorkie how can I tell that I will be getting a Yorkie and not a silky or will all the puppies still be a mix? Please HELP! I need advice....I am so frustrated that I paid so much for a dog that I thought and was told was a Yorkie gerrr!!!!

08-04-2010, 11:16 AM	#2
BlueBelle Donating YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alpharetta, GA, USA Posts: 1,190	sorry I am sure you are upset, but it is often hard to tell them apart due to genetic differences between 1 puppy and another even in the same litter.

08-04-2010, 11:21 AM	#3
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Are you sure its not just a yorkie not bred to the standard. Ive had people say my male is a silky too because hes bigger and has some silky characteristics but I know hes a yorkie. I think that is very common and its highly unlikely that a breeder sold you a silky and told you it was a yorkie __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

08-04-2010, 11:27 AM	#4
Beamers Mom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palm Bay, Fl, USA Posts: 5,957	After two years I doubt you could sue the breeder. The first flag for me on buying was that the puppy was CKC registered and not AKC (from one of your previous posts where you stated that the registration was with Continental Kennel Club) __________________ Help control the pet population. Have your pet spayed or neutered. - Bob Barker

08-04-2010, 11:33 AM	#5
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	If the paper says your dog is a yorkie, it's a yorkie, especially if you got it from a reliable registry, such as the AKC, and even then the registry is no better than the breeder. Breeds are manmade things, and the word silky or yorkie has a certain meaning but not every purebred dog is a great example of the breed. Many people breed whatever dogs they have, and without selective breeding for certain qualities a purebred will look like a mutt in a few generations, but it is still a "purebred." There are genetics tests that can tell if your dog is mostly yorkie, but they are not 100% accurate. I'm more concerned with people breeding for the wrong reasons. We have too many pets available now, and the only breeding that should be done is to preserve, protect, and improve the breed. Unless your dog is a wonderful example of the breed, you shouldn't be breeding. People seem to think every "masculine" looking yorkie is a silky, but Silky's aren't really that common in the States, they are more prevalent in Australia. So just because a yorkie has a longer nose, or doesn't grow coat very well, it does not make them a Silky. Bottom line, is if your dog isn't a great example of the breed, you shouldn't breed, no matter what the registry says of it's bloodline. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals Last edited by Nancy1999; 08-04-2010 at 11:37 AM.

08-04-2010, 11:35 AM	#6
Rhetts_mama Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	If indeed you have a silky, then all pups she carries will be silky mixes. There's just no way around genetics. Which registry are her papers through? If it's AKC, you should have a pretty good lineage on her (assuming it wasn't falsified). With CKC, it's a crap shoot IMO, since they have very loose standards on what it takes to prove you have a "purebred" anything. As Chachi said, it's possible that you have a full bred yorkie, but one who just wasn't bred properly to breed standard. If you are really concerned, ask your vet about DNA testing, but don't buy the ones from online or Petsmart. If you are to have any standing in a court case, you will need an official one done. Then comes the next matter. If she is a silky or a mix, then you would have to prove the breeder KNOWINGLY deceived you. That's pretty hard to do. Then you have to look at whether or not you would even be eligible under the laws of your state to sue. In the end, suing may end up costing you a whole lot more money than you could possibly be eligible to recover. But because you have questions about her lineage, it's now imcumbent on you to not try and pass the puppies off to new buyers as full yorkies. Otherwise, you could very well find your self on the other side of the courtroom aisle in a couple of years. __________________ Don't get your knickers in a knot. Nothing is solved and it just makes you walk funny.

08-04-2010, 11:42 AM	#7
YorkieChick1 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 2,249	Years ago, I had an AKC registered Yorkie, but I always thought that she looked more like a silky. She was my first Yorkie and I didn't investigate the way I would now because I bought her from a pet home in 1990. Well, years later just for the hell of it my vet did a dna test on her because he always thought that if she wasn't 1/2 Silkie then she might be full and what do you know, she was 100% Silkie sold as an AKC Yorkie!! The "breeder" could have had a friend that had AKC registered Yorkies that was willing to list her dogs as the true parents of my dog, who knows, they just can sell Yorkies for more than Silkies so that is why they do it. When there is a will there is a way and some people don't care about committing fraud!! Buyer beware!! __________________ Nanci 's her furbabies!! Brooke,Binky,Bunny,Buster & BooBoo And My Chichis: Baby & Bitsy There's nothing that brightens my day more than a puppy kiss!

08-04-2010, 12:40 PM	#8
Bittsy BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jackson, Michigan, USA Posts: 20	Gerr it so frustration the hardest part is I actually think she is Yorkie and silky mix so as a puppy I could not tell. I was looking at photos and trying to compare Yorkie and silky puppies all day and I really cannot tell.She is only approx. 7 lbs(currently with 3 weeks to go in her pregnancy she weighs 8lbs 3oz.) but definitely has a very long body, longer snout, bigger nose, and her fur doesn't touch the floor close but definitely not the same coat as a Yorkie. I am hoping to be able to pick a puppy out of the litter when she has then that will be smaller full grown and have a more teddy bear face.I will post pictures on here when they arrive and hopefully everyone can tell me which one I should pick. Thanks for trying to make me feel better!!!!

08-04-2010, 12:49 PM	#10
Britster Action Jackson ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,814	@yorkiechick1 Wow! How much did you pay for that DNA test, if you don't mind me asking? Because I've had 5 reputable Silky breeders tell me they are almost 100% sure Jackson is a Silky, but I've had others on dog forums tell me he's just a badly bred Yorkie. Obviously, either way I don't care, and they are all technically related (Australian Terrier, Yorkie, Silky). I'm just curious. Jackson was from a BYB who probably didn't even know what her dogs were. No papers or anything. Here's good comparisons: Home of the Gorgeous Silky Terrier!! - Compare the silky to.... Jackson has the body shape of the show Silky's I see, the snout, the face, the temperament from what I've read, everything! So I don't know, either. He's just a great pet. __________________ ~ Brit & Lights! Camera! Jackson! CGC ETD TKP ~ Follow Jackson on Instagram: https://instagram.com/jacksontheterrier

08-04-2010, 12:50 PM	#11
Bittsy BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jackson, Michigan, USA Posts: 20	We would like to use he as both our pet and and breeding that's why we would never get rid of her now she is a part of the family.

08-04-2010, 12:52 PM	#12
Bittsy BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jackson, Michigan, USA Posts: 20	I think she is Yorkie and silky mix.

08-04-2010, 12:54 PM	#13
Bittsy BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jackson, Michigan, USA Posts: 20	Oh yeah he does look a lot like a silky

08-04-2010, 01:07 PM	#14
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	You're dog may or may not be pure bred. However, this is where having an AKC pedigreed dog would have helped you, even though you said it wasn't important at the time. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

08-04-2010, 01:18 PM	#15
Cha Cha Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 7,069	My Moka, in my avatar, is supposed to be a Silky (Not Akc, of course), compared to Brister's Jackson, there are a lot of differences. Moka is not the color of a Silky and not the size. But I give her credit, she does have the Silky ears! I sure do love her what ever she is..... __________________ Shelly and the girls Moka Mylee