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05-03-2008, 07:24 PM | #1 |
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| We have guarding problems... Emma is 2 years old. Just to give a little background info, we got her at 6 weeks old. About a year ago we took her to get groomed. While they were grooming her she apparently got excited and jumped causing them to clip her dew claw off! She had to be rushed to the vet. After we left the vet she pulled the gauze off of her foot and would not give it back. She got very protective of it and I had to go back in the vet office and let them get it out. It took 3 Vet assistants to get it out of her mouth. Ever since that terrible day, she guards anything "new." She cant have any treats or toys because she sits and guards them. She is now, as I am typing this, sitting in her bed and growling for what seems to be no reason. She is guarding her bed which she has had for a while and has never done this. If you come near her she just growls at you. We have been through similar situations with her guarding other random things around our house and have tried everything. We would like any and all advice. |
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05-03-2008, 08:07 PM | #2 |
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| First off I want to say welcome to YT. She's showing aggression because she can...don't let her do this. You have to be the boss of her...take possession of the item, let her know it's yours and only allow her access to it with your approval. It's the terrier in them. Teach her to "leave it"...praise her when she does. Remember you are the pack leader...so, lead her well. She'll be a happier puppy if you show her the way. Good luck...let us know how it goes.
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05-04-2008, 06:26 AM | #4 |
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| Guarding Problem... Thanks for the advice. I have trained her pretty well to "leave" something if I have dropped something. She hangs out with me in the Kitchen and never grabs anything I drop. I guess I will have to take it a step further with her bed. Its just weird that she has had it for several months now and decided Friday she wasnt going to get out of it. Does anyone think getting her spayed would help? If you have a similar experience where spaying has either helped or hendered, let me know. Thanks Again!! |
05-04-2008, 06:29 AM | #5 |
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| Don't have any advice, just wanted to welcome you to the site. Good luck with your questions.
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05-04-2008, 06:46 AM | #6 |
Yorkie Lover Donating Member | Welcome to YorkieTalk! I do not feel that spaying will resolve your issues with guarding. It had no effect with my pup. My little Magic likes to guard and it continues to be an issue we work on weekly (sometimes daily). You received some great advise above....you have to be the pack leader. When Magic gets something she is guarding, one of us will either pick her up and take it from her or roll her over on her back/side and let her watch us take it from her. Yes, she starts growling or acting like what we call "devil dog".....but if we give in to that she wins....so we have learned to stay calm and assertive. We have been dealing with this for a couple of years now and while she has not stopped the guarding, she has stopped "winning".....in fact often time when we head over to her she will roll over on her side/back, so she knows. Good luck resolving your problem with guarding.
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05-04-2008, 10:59 AM | #7 |
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| Guarding Problem... Well, we got the bed. She became very aggressive and started to attack us, growling and biting. But we got it. Now, how do we give it back without her doing this all over again? We appreciate all of the help. |
05-05-2008, 11:42 AM | #8 |
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| Well, now she's all out crazy, she crawled beside the couch and laid down on some of the cords and speaker wires that are there and was guarding those, so we moved those, then she got beside the chair and laid down on some of the phone cables and cable wires and was guarding those, we moved those, then she crawled beside the trash can in the kitchen and was guarding that, so we took it and she tried to kill us! I got firm and said NO!, I clapped my hands together very loudly and told her to sit, she did. Now she just balls up in the corner of the kitchen and shivers. When we get close she drops her head and eyeballs us and growls. She has just turned into a completely different dog since Friday. This is crazy, We're are at the end of our rope. We can't roll her over or pick her up or she will bite us. Emma is 4 1/2 pounds, my husband is 6'1" 185 lbs and he won't even try to pick her up, she has bitten him a few times. Who can we call, do pet stores help with this kind of training? |
05-05-2008, 11:46 AM | #9 |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | Poor girl - do you think she's in pain ? the shaking & agression can be a sign of pain At first I sort of laughed cause I can picture a yorkie 'guarding' a bandage but this isn't funny....I'm far from having trained yorkies myself so have no advise except to say GOOD LUCK - |
05-05-2008, 11:57 AM | #10 |
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| Wow, you are really having a time with her. I hope someone has the answer for you. I agree with V though- I'd at least give the vet a call. Welcome to YT.
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05-05-2008, 12:05 PM | #11 |
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| It sounds like your vet should do extensive blood work on her to make sure it is not an illness causing this odd behavior. After that, you and the vet should discuss trying a very small dose of Prozac or Clomicalm, the latter being an antidepressant for dogs. These drugs have been lifesavers for many dogs who developed strange idosyncracies. They provide relief from the behavior, during which time you should try to work on behavior modification. It takes a month before you would see any changes from these meds, and when her behavior changes for a while, and you decide you want to see if you can take her off the meds, they must be slowly decreased. Good luck with your little Cujo! |
05-05-2008, 12:07 PM | #12 |
Yorkie Lover Donating Member | We tend to see Magic get really aggressive like that when she is not feeling well or in alot of pain. I would have her checked by the vet to make sure that is not getting sick or in any kind of pain. This extra aggresion can defintely be a sign of pain or illness...so please have your little one checked!! Magic will get very aggressive, growling/biting/etc...at times but you have to be firm and just pick her up, if she senses any feel from you then she is continuing to win. Take it slow...start by just going and staying beside her wherever she is guarding something, then move closer and closer to her (remaining clam and assertive) even if she still growling...rememeber to make your movements slow. Once you are able to stand right beside her, you can start learning down toward her and as she sees that you are not going to harm her or move away no matter how much she growls then she should calm down. You have to be CALM and assertive, if you are anxious or worried or anything she can sense that and will react stronger...it is a hard position to be in, we have gotten biten a couple of times (not hard) but if in the end we end up with the toy/bed/etc. then we have won. This is a battle that can be won...dont' give up!! Magic started this as a puppy and we thought it was so cute but as she grew up she did it more and more until we decided to take control...we still battle with it but it is better. We have found that the best way to deal with it is to just plainly ignore her...Magic will guard something for attention. She will find a toy and go and guard it to see if she can get us rattle as well as the other dogs, but if we just ignore her and pay attention to the others in the house, she will EVENTUALLY move on. Sometimes it takes mins, sometimes longer...but 9 times out of 10 now she will leave whatever she has to get the right kind of attention and this is when we praise her. Please PM if you need someone to take about this with...this is a tough position and can be very overwhelming when it is at its peak.
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05-05-2008, 03:48 PM | #13 |
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| Thank you for all of your help. We will keep you posted on how she is doing. You have given great advice. We are really upset about all of this. You have help give me some hope. |
05-05-2008, 03:55 PM | #14 | |
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| IMHO your girl is scared out of her mind about something. I personally don't believe in the Alpha theory and believe that she is displaying fear about something especially when you wrote she is in a corner, shivering and her eyes. I would get a professional trainer into to your house to see what is going on and I would stop trying to roll her over on her back..that really puts a fear into a dog. Quote:
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05-05-2008, 07:29 PM | #15 |
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| My grandmother had a dog with simular issues, he was abused by a previous owner. When she would try to pick him up her would snap and bite her. She had some really thick grilling gloves and would put them on and pick him up, not restraining or holding him too tightly and she would kinda ignore the aggression and just say is a soft voice no bite and it is ok I love you. She would set him down and pet him gently. It took a week or so but he got over his aggression and the funny thing is, he fell in love with those gloves and whenever he was scared he would cuddle up to them LOL. I am not saying this is a good thing to do I just want you to know that they can get over fear issues and it is not always complicating. Good luck with your baby try and give him lots of encouragement and love.
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