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snickers mom · 02-08-2006, 12:00 PM

before i put her name here i wanted to make sure it was ok to do so... i got my precious snickers from a local pet store (not knowing what i know now) that had assured me it used its own breeder... then after receiving the paperwork realized this breeder was from across the country and there was a 3rd party used to deliver the puppy (i'm guess it is what they call a "broker") Is it ok to post her name here and see if anyone has heard anything about her? Thanks....

troubletb · 02-08-2006, 12:04 PM

Well, I think it would be OK, your not saying she bred unhealthy puppies you are saying she used a broker to sell them. I would want to know, as I don't feel that is the right thing to do when you breed dogs.. I as a small breeder want to know who has my puppies and what kind of place they are living in. So I would never sell my puppies through a broker.

txshopper73 · 02-08-2006, 12:06 PM

Yes, it's okay. We should post all experiences good and bad.

YorkieRose · 02-08-2006, 12:07 PM

It will not hurt or help much I am sorry to say...these are commerical breeders who sell through brokers. If anyone has a problem with their pups, the shop owner contacts the broker, too many complaints and they go to another breeder who is the same type commerical breeder. JMO

shyorkies · 02-08-2006, 12:15 PM

There is honestly not a reputable breeder that will sell their puppies to a broker or a pet store, sorry..

snickers mom · 02-08-2006, 12:21 PM

i didnt know then what i know now.... i wish i had come across this site sooner... does anyone know anything about a Betty Westhoff in Kansas? I'm not saying anything good or bad about her I just brought my puppy home on Friday and when looking for the local breeders name (I live in RI) found out it came from her in Kansas and it raised a red flag for me... Thanks for any help you could give...

txshopper73 · 02-08-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by snickers mom

i didnt know then what i know now.... i wish i had come across this site sooner... does anyone know anything about a Betty Westhoff in Kansas? I'm not saying anything good or bad about her I just brought my puppy home on Friday and when looking for the local breeders name (I live in RI) found out it came from her in Kansas and it raised a red flag for me... Thanks for any help you could give...

Well, at least now we know that she sells to pet shops.

whispersmom2 · 02-08-2006, 12:42 PM

She probably sold thru Hunte Corp. the broker of up to 85,000 puppies to pet shops and well, they wholesale to any thing that will buy quantity from them. I will check out the USDA licensed breeders in Kansas...a wholesaler of puppies is supposed to be licensed by he USDA and have the same license as a cattle, horse, or goat rancher...I think.

snickers mom · 02-08-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

She probably sold thru Hunte Corp. the broker of up to 85,000 puppies to pet shops and well, they wholesale to any thing that will buy quantity from them. I will check out the USDA licensed breeders in Kansas...a wholesaler of puppies is supposed to be licensed by he USDA and have the same license as a cattle, horse, or goat rancher...I think.

the other name on the paperwork - the people that delivered the puppy from the breeder to the pet shop was BJ's & Guys - they call themselves a pedigree service? I'm guessing they are the broker maybe? I didnt get this paperwork until AFTER i paid for her in full and went to pick her up the next day...

whispersmom2 · 02-08-2006, 12:48 PM

USDA info:
Charles and Betty Westhoff
Westhoff kennels
7250 Wallace Rd
St. Paul, Kansas 66771
Cust # 4231
Cert # 48-a-0536

snickers mom · 02-08-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

USDA info:
Charles and Betty Westhoff
Westhoff kennels
7250 Wallace Rd
St. Paul, Kansas 66771
Cust # 4231
Cert # 48-a-0536

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what does this mean? I am guessing that this listing is a bad thing.... I just want to know because i have heard bad things about pet-shop puppies and i am concerned health-wise for my new puppy

shyorkies · 02-08-2006, 12:58 PM

We have a few pet shops in our area.. If I am in the area I always depress myself and go into the shops..

I have on every occassion ask the shop employee if they have the papers on the yorkies and they say have always shown them to me.. At that time I have been able to see who the breeder was, the state they were breed in and who delivered the puppies to the shop.. I can honestly say I have never seen a pup in a pet shop from a local owner, at least in our area..

I hope that your pup gives you wonderful years of love and companionship, they all deserve loving homes rather coming from pet shops or reputable breedes..

Keep us updated on your puppy and we would love to see pictures!

whispersmom2 · 02-08-2006, 03:46 PM

I don't recognize the name of the "pedigree service" you mention. Hunte is the only one I have seen as the supplier in pet shops here. And, the breeder has never been within hundreds of miles of the pet shop. I agree that the papers have always been shown to me IF I acted like I had an interest in the puppy. Of course, the pet shops who have asked me to leave after asking too many questions that tipped them off I was not buying, probably do not show paperwork so readily...LOL
Being on that list is not in itself a bad thing, but what it implies is another story...Many millers and CBers have 500and up dogs and their names most definitely are on that list or their butts might be sitting in a cell that is still bigger than the cages they keep their animals in.

fab1835 · 04-02-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by snickers mom

i didnt know then what i know now.... i wish i had come across this site sooner... does anyone know anything about a Betty Westhoff in Kansas? I'm not saying anything good or bad about her I just brought my puppy home on Friday and when looking for the local breeders name (I live in RI) found out it came from her in Kansas and it raised a red flag for me... Thanks for any help you could give...

Hi,

My 5 year old Yorkie just died on Feb.9,2008. We got him at 8 months old. from a pet store in Brooklyn, New York, but he bred by Betty Westhoff.A few months after we bought him he'd wheeze when he got excited. This turned out to be a collapsed trachea, which he was under treatment for at the vet. The day he died we rushed him twice to the vet for this, but he still died. I am investigating her further. Mary Anne N.Y. Good luck

fab1835 · 04-02-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by snickers mom

the other name on the paperwork - the people that delivered the puppy from the breeder to the pet shop was BJ's & Guys - they call themselves a pedigree service? I'm guessing they are the broker maybe? I didnt get this paperwork until AFTER i paid for her in full and went to pick her up the next day...

My papers say the same thing. We bought Jingles from the pet store when he was 8 months old. He spent his whole puppyhood in a crate. Plus, the other half of the store sold remote control cars. He hated the noise of anything mechanical. I'm glad I saved him from that nuthouse. Mary Anne

02-08-2006, 12:00 PM	#1
snickers mom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 687	Question about a breeder... before i put her name here i wanted to make sure it was ok to do so... i got my precious snickers from a local pet store (not knowing what i know now) that had assured me it used its own breeder... then after receiving the paperwork realized this breeder was from across the country and there was a 3rd party used to deliver the puppy (i'm guess it is what they call a "broker") Is it ok to post her name here and see if anyone has heard anything about her? Thanks....

02-08-2006, 12:04 PM	#2
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,241	Well, I think it would be OK, your not saying she bred unhealthy puppies you are saying she used a broker to sell them. I would want to know, as I don't feel that is the right thing to do when you breed dogs.. I as a small breeder want to know who has my puppies and what kind of place they are living in. So I would never sell my puppies through a broker. __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom http://www.freewebs.com/floridayorkies/

02-08-2006, 12:06 PM	#3
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 14,116 Blog Entries: 1	Yes, it's okay. We should post all experiences good and bad. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley Gracie, London and Dallas

02-08-2006, 12:07 PM	#4
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	breeder It will not hurt or help much I am sorry to say...these are commerical breeders who sell through brokers. If anyone has a problem with their pups, the shop owner contacts the broker, too many complaints and they go to another breeder who is the same type commerical breeder. JMO __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

02-08-2006, 12:42 PM	#8
whispersmom2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	She probably sold thru Hunte Corp. the broker of up to 85,000 puppies to pet shops and well, they wholesale to any thing that will buy quantity from them. I will check out the USDA licensed breeders in Kansas...a wholesaler of puppies is supposed to be licensed by he USDA and have the same license as a cattle, horse, or goat rancher...I think. __________________ Rini and the Gang MY Photos of Biewers, Parties & Chocolates Here

02-08-2006, 12:15 PM	#5
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	There is honestly not a reputable breeder that will sell their puppies to a broker or a pet store, sorry..

02-08-2006, 12:21 PM	#6
snickers mom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 687	i didnt know then what i know now.... i wish i had come across this site sooner... does anyone know anything about a Betty Westhoff in Kansas? I'm not saying anything good or bad about her I just brought my puppy home on Friday and when looking for the local breeders name (I live in RI) found out it came from her in Kansas and it raised a red flag for me... Thanks for any help you could give...

02-08-2006, 12:48 PM	#10
whispersmom2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	USDA info: Charles and Betty Westhoff Westhoff kennels 7250 Wallace Rd St. Paul, Kansas 66771 Cust # 4231 Cert # 48-a-0536 __________________ Rini and the Gang MY Photos of Biewers, Parties & Chocolates Here

02-08-2006, 12:58 PM	#12
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Pet Shops.. We have a few pet shops in our area.. If I am in the area I always depress myself and go into the shops.. I have on every occassion ask the shop employee if they have the papers on the yorkies and they say have always shown them to me.. At that time I have been able to see who the breeder was, the state they were breed in and who delivered the puppies to the shop.. I can honestly say I have never seen a pup in a pet shop from a local owner, at least in our area.. I hope that your pup gives you wonderful years of love and companionship, they all deserve loving homes rather coming from pet shops or reputable breedes.. Keep us updated on your puppy and we would love to see pictures!

02-08-2006, 03:46 PM	#13
whispersmom2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I don't recognize the name of the "pedigree service" you mention. Hunte is the only one I have seen as the supplier in pet shops here. And, the breeder has never been within hundreds of miles of the pet shop. I agree that the papers have always been shown to me IF I acted like I had an interest in the puppy. Of course, the pet shops who have asked me to leave after asking too many questions that tipped them off I was not buying, probably do not show paperwork so readily...LOL Being on that list is not in itself a bad thing, but what it implies is another story...Many millers and CBers have 500and up dogs and their names most definitely are on that list or their butts might be sitting in a cell that is still bigger than the cages they keep their animals in. __________________ Rini and the Gang MY Photos of Biewers, Parties & Chocolates Here