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12-02-2014, 07:24 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Manitoba
Posts: 29
| Completely terrified to ask questions. I am a well-educated, first-time breeder, and my father has been the Animal Control Officer, pound owner/keeper of our small city for 35 years. He is also an Abuse Investigator for the province of Manitoba and raised yorkies with my mother for several years. My point is that, I am not a dummy, but truthfully, I am scared to ask questions on the breeder forum. So many vicious, condescending responses. Isn't learning and asking questions the "right" thing to do if you love the breed, and don't want to make mistakes? Someone, please reassure me that I am not going to get a strip torn off me for wanting to be informed. I would very much like to join this community, learn, share, be a good person and responsible breeder. But my desire for knowledge is hampered by the negativity on this site. Thank you for considering my opinion/questions. |
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12-03-2014, 08:53 AM | #2 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Hi and welcome to YT . I hope you find some answers, feedback, and educational material here...if you look around, you'll find a ton of stuff. I understand your hesitation - some of the most heated threads here have to do w/ unethical / unscrupulous breeders and breeding practices. Given how much the yorkie breed has been unethically bred - you can probably understand why/how passions can run very high on this subject. My best advice to you is that you look around, read the threads here - and first and foremost, find out *why* this is a sensitive and very important subject. With that background in hand, your subsequent questions will be informed, intelligent, sensitive, and insightful....they couldn't help but be that if you truly look around and are willing to learn. Starting places are, of course, this section itself -- but also see these 2 sections of the YT Library: Breeding and Breed-Specific Library - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community Puppy Care and Puppy Info Library - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° |
12-03-2014, 09:50 AM | #3 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 9,462
| When I first decided to breed Yorkies, I had to understand exactly WHY I was doing it. After my "why" was answered and understood, I researched exactly what I needed to do to get to the "why" I had established for myself. I decided my "why" could not be reached until I was thoroughly educated on the history or the breed, and then drilling deeper into lines and pedigrees and what was producing HEALTHY Yorkies, with great dispositions, and that LOOKED like Yorkies were supposed to look.....reference the breed standard. This part of my education took about 10 years. I attended seminars, dog shows, became familiar with breeders and show people, most of who treated me with the same skepticism and mistrust that you feel you have seen displayed by breeders on this forum, to people whose true motives or agendas are unknown. It became obvious that I was an "outsider" who quite possibly was seeing breeding Yorkies as a get rich quick scheme, and the dedicated breeders that have spent years and years perfecting their lines and promoting this breed, through hours and hours of blood, sweat, tears, study, research, showing, reading, studying, etc, these people did not appreciate anyone that was not totally dedicated to the breed, strictly for the breed's sake. I had to establish trusting relationships with these people.....some were willing and others were absolutely not interested! I established a relationship with several mentors, very well respected, well established mentors.....all this before I ever considered actually breeding two dogs of my own. I helped whelp litters.....I worked on and off for several years, with a vet that specialized in small dogs, especially Yorkies, for no salary, just experience. After a total of around 15 years of all of the above, I bought my first breeding stock, and began reaching my goals in my own breeding program. THIS is what I did to avoid as much as possible, the resentment and skepticism of breeders. It certainly was not easy, and there are areas and people that I still approach with humble respect but optimistic caution. I did realize that some of the harshest, most caustic, teaching methods were coming from people that knew sooooo much more than I probably ever would know, and one of my mentors is really brutal with me.....she has reduced me to tears on several occasions....but she has taught me soooooooo much and I owe easily 85% of my breeding experiences and expertise to this lady. I just "got over it", "sucked it up", matured emotionally, stayed the course and showed that I was determined to do it and do it right. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 12-03-2014 at 09:52 AM. |
12-03-2014, 05:50 PM | #4 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
Posts: 23,247
| In my opinion if your wanting to breed and you want to breed right you should not be afraid to ask a question because you should want to know everything you especially about the right way to breed. A lot of us on this board have had a dog that came from bad breeding so we are very passionate about people breeding right so owners and dogs don't have to suffer.
__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! |
12-03-2014, 06:26 PM | #5 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA
Posts: 3,817
| My main thoughts about YT are there is lots of room here for nearly any discussion you would like to hold. Stick around, post it up, just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to leave. With that being said, yes, a few here occasionally respond with negative or condescending remarks towards someone that asks a question. Let's just call them the 1%, it's much less than that. They do offer some good insight, knowledge, most of the time so it's worth sticking around. LOL Kinda like visiting New Jersey! LOL There are a lot of Canadians here! YT is a very good crowd! |
12-03-2014, 07:30 PM | #6 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Manitoba
Posts: 29
| Hello! Wow! I didn't expect this level of support and positivity! Thank you everyone who replied. I think I will stick around And in response to "Live to Dream"... Lost a little boy (Giacamo) a couple years ago to "Protein-losing enteropathy". He was four years old. I have never experienced that level of anger before or again. Thanks again all, for the positive feedback. Now, be prepared to put up with me! |
12-03-2014, 07:34 PM | #7 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Manitoba
Posts: 29
| PS:Yorkiemom1...wowsa! You don't mess around! PPS: Mark - would love to see NJ! |
12-03-2014, 08:33 PM | #8 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA
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12-03-2014, 09:09 PM | #9 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 9,462
| I do not like to look like an idiot.....so I wanted to know absolutely everything I could , before I ever got into a conversation with a breeder.....I didnt mind them knowing I was just trying to get started, I just wanted them to rest assured I had "paid some dues" and had invested in a knowledge base...! |
12-03-2014, 10:46 PM | #10 | |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | I think its always better to ask questions, its how we learn. When I am here I always try to reach out and help where I can. Welcome to Yorkie Talk Quote:
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12-03-2014, 10:50 PM | #11 | |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Michigan USA & Sheffield UK
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Logically, If a breed-quality AKC dog is purchased from a reputable breeder on an open registration, then the *new* breeder would naturally have the original reputable breeder they purchased from as a mentor. That mentor should be able to answer any questions a new breeder would have. Usually, when new breeders are searching for answers here, it is because they have wrecklessly bred a poor example of the breed that should never have been bred, or that they did not have the right to breed. Those of us that love the yorkie breed want the standard preserved so future generations will have a yorkie that looks like the yorkie we know today. If people keep breeding their off standard pets and poor quality examples of the breed, we will move further and further away from how the yorkie should look. I personally would find that devastating. I grew up in Yorkshire, England with a Nan that raised yorkies. I hope my grand children and great grand children get to experience the yorkie as I did as a child. The only way that will happen is if only the best representations of the breed are bred. Reputable breeders of such quality lines do not give their dogs away to be bred willy nilly by just anyone. They mentor their new breeders and work with them to protect their lines.
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12-04-2014, 12:02 AM | #12 |
aka ♥SquishyFace♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: n/a
Posts: 1,875
| Hello and welcome to YT. You will find a wealth of info here but you do have to expect to be challenged and be prepared to challenge in order that you can be part of meaningful discourse re: this breed. Everyone is passionate here about the breed, either as breeders or pet owners, so sometimes opinions come across as "heated". However, in my opinion, the most important thing to remember is that everyone here is trying to protect the breed as well as individual dogs and puppies. If you keep that in mind, I think you will do just fine. Good luck |
12-04-2014, 02:01 AM | #13 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Posts: 37,147
| Its like anything else you gotta take the good info you get and ignore the rest you cant be afraid to post because someone on here might post something you dont like this is a big forum with many different people with different personalities, you gotta take the good with the bad
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12-04-2014, 07:40 AM | #14 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA
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| Just a thought for you -- and my opinion only, however an opinion I have come to with education and experience. I have had the joy of being loved by several Yorkies. I am not, nor do I ever intend to be a breeder. BUT, I will not buy any dog/puppy from any breeder who does not show. I want a dog that someone has put a great deal of time, thought, and experience into breeding the very best example of the breed. Hoping that each litter they have will improve the breed and produce another champion. When admire my Yorkie and ask me how they can find one like her I tell them my opinion and give them some names of folks I know who don't breed to sell puppies, but breed to produce the perfect Yorkie. If that is not important to them then I would suggest a rescue that would love a good home and return tons of love as well. But, generally, they are looking at my healthy,well bred, gorgeous example of a Yorkie, and saying that is what they want. Guess the bottom line here is - in my experience- show folks breed for different reasons than the business of puppy production and sales.
__________________ . Cali , and Cali's keeper and staff, Jay No, not a "mini" Yorkie - She loves to motor in her Mini Cooper car |
12-04-2014, 08:05 AM | #15 | |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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