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magicgenie · 12-04-2014, 09:10 AM

You need fear asking questions here much less than expressing opinions. Over the past 6 years or so, I've seen many breeders abandon this site as a place for meaningful discussion about their breeding. That said, I overall enjoy Yorkietalk as a place for Yorkie owners to share their experiences. Sadly, I haven't found it to be helpful to breeders looking to learn and grow.

jovo442 · 12-04-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Logically, If a breed-quality AKC dog is purchased from a reputable breeder on an open registration, then the *new* breeder would naturally have the original reputable breeder they purchased from as a mentor. That mentor should be able to answer any questions a new breeder would have.

Usually, when new breeders are searching for answers here, it is because they have wrecklessly bred a poor example of the breed that should never have been bred, or that they did not have the right to breed.

Those of us that love the yorkie breed want the standard preserved so future generations will have a yorkie that looks like the yorkie we know today. If people keep breeding their off standard pets and poor quality examples of the breed, we will move further and further away from how the yorkie should look. I personally would find that devastating. I grew up in Yorkshire, England with a Nan that raised yorkies. I hope my grand children and great grand children get to experience the yorkie as I did as a child. The only way that will happen is if only the best representations of the breed are bred. Reputable breeders of such quality lines do not give their dogs away to be bred willy nilly by just anyone. They mentor their new breeders and work with them to protect their lines.

Thank you, KazzyK! I never thought to ask her! It's not an imposition? I'm not sure it's realistic to ask her for help. She lives far away from me. Although, I suppose I could email her. But I like the multiple opinions on here more than a single response.

jovo442 · 12-04-2014, 07:23 PM

Magic Genie, thank you for the reply. I do see a lot of "hoitee toitee" on here

so I hear where you are coming from. This site is a good resource though. We can be friendly and kind and positive to each other, okay

let me reiterate, I grew up with my parents who are Yorkie breeders. I have a good knowledge base.

jovo442 · 12-04-2014, 07:26 PM

Ack! I'm getting overwhelmed by all the replies! I haven't figured out how the site works yet! Probably not best to peruse on my phone! Thanks again everyone! I appreciate all the responses, but if I keep going this thread will have 100 replies just from me! I'll have a look on my computer tomorrow! Bonne nuit!

jovo442 · 12-04-2014, 07:30 PM

Some bedtime reading! Thank you, Wylie's mom

Wylie's Mom · 12-06-2014, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jovo442

Some bedtime reading! Thank you, Wylie's mom

Lol, you're so welcome! I think it's wonderful that you're committing to learning first and foremost, before embarking on such a huge and rather sacred (to those of us who love the breed, that is) endeavor.

Yorkiemom1 · 12-06-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jovo442

Magic Genie, thank you for the reply. I do see a lot of "hoitee toitee" on here so I hear where you are coming from. This site is a good resource though. We can be friendly and kind and positive to each other, okay

let me reiterate, I grew up with my parents who are Yorkie breeders. I have a good knowledge base.

.......

...... I am thinking it may be helpful to everyone else, if there was a list of names of the "hoity toity" members, so those specific members know how they are viewed and can adjust their time spent in participation on this forum, if they so choose. ("haughty, snobbish, disdainful, conceited, proud, pretentious, arrogant, supercilious, self important".....wow.

MarkFromSea · 12-06-2014, 02:58 PM

Oops! She'd probably rephrase that if she could, the OP.

What I like here is the diversity. It exposes me to things I otherwise wouldn't experience or even read about elsewhere.

I'm just a blue collar dog owner that came into ownership of a yorkie a little over a year and a half ago purely by chance, Gucci was given to us by a friend of my better half's because we could provide him with a better home. Suddenly, we had this special breed of dog that warranted research. That is where YT came in!

YT provides some good info and fostered pride in this little dog we suddenly had. That's where I'm coming from. I appreciate the resource so much that when I see someone new come in, I put myself in their shoes. We don't all have this vast ability to express ourselves or our thoughts accurately in print. Slips of the tongue or incomplete thoughts are going to occur. These new people, myself included, come here because of the dog. Most are here for the yorkie but I've seen that many breeds are represented and that just adds to the diversity.

Give the new person the benefit of the doubt, you know, unless they really screw up and not honor a contract or mistreat an animal or a human being.

magicgenie · 12-06-2014, 03:33 PM

To the OP, by all means participate here as much as you can as there is a lot to learn, but also ally yourself with some reputable breeders in your locale to exchange information and ideas. They don't have to be Yorkie breeders, they just have to be experienced and reputable. Join your local kennel club. If there is a regional Yorkshire Terrier Club where you live, join it ASAP and PARTICIPATE. There is no such club in my region and I know I missed out on a lot because of it. We don't even have a local kennel club any more. The "hoity-toity" are usually in the national parent clubs, YTCA and CYTA. If you can handle that, go for it. I'm too free-thinking to deal with it myself, but I've always marched to a different drum, so to speak. You have a good head start with parents who know this breed. Best Wishes!

gemy · 12-09-2014, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by magicgenie

To the OP, by all means participate here as much as you can as there is a lot to learn, but also ally yourself with some reputable breeders in your locale to exchange information and ideas. They don't have to be Yorkie breeders, they just have to be experienced and reputable. Join your local kennel club. If there is a regional Yorkshire Terrier Club where you live, join it ASAP and PARTICIPATE. There is no such club in my region and I know I missed out on a lot because of it. We don't even have a local kennel club any more. The "hoity-toity" are usually in the national parent clubs, YTCA and CYTA. If you can handle that, go for it. I'm too free-thinking to deal with it myself, but I've always marched to a different drum, so to speak. You have a good head start with parents who know this breed. Best Wishes!

LOL my friend,,, I am hoity toity? Smiling here. But I do admit to being rather opinionated....

gemy · 12-09-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jovo442

I am a well-educated, first-time breeder, and my father has been the Animal Control Officer, pound owner/keeper of our small city for 35 years. He is also an Abuse Investigator for the province of Manitoba and raised yorkies with my mother for several years. My point is that, I am not a dummy, but truthfully, I am scared to ask questions on the breeder forum. So many vicious, condescending responses. Isn't learning and asking questions the "right" thing to do if you love the breed, and don't want to make mistakes? Someone, please reassure me that I am not going to get a strip torn off me for wanting to be informed. I would very much like to join this community, learn, share, be a good person and responsible breeder. But my desire for knowledge is hampered by the negativity on this site. Thank you for considering my opinion/questions.

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For sure learning and asking questions are truly encouraged. I speak only for myself, I like to read specific types of questions about breeding, questions that show me, you have read some been exposed to differing viewpoints on topic a/b or c.

I think you need to learn all about the Health Concerns of Yorkies. Spend at least a month reading the Sick and Emergency threads here. Learn the genetic diseases Yorkies are prone to. There is also a stickey on those diseases. And yes I do have a *show yorkie*, but I am not a breeder of Yorkies.

My passion is health and breeding to the Standard. But I do breed another breed a very large breed.

I always coach the very first question you ask yourself is ; Why do you want to breed Yorkies"? Beyond a love of the breed, not reason enough, you can love the breed, care for your dogs(s), support the health initiatives for Yorkies and in this way give back to the breed, but why breed a Yorkie? What do you want from this?

You are on a very exciting journey of discovery; hopefully a discovery filled full with a discerning passion for our breed and a commitment to breeding excellence.

Good luck with your journey

magicgenie · 12-09-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gemy

LOL my friend,,, I am hoity toity? Smiling here. But I do admit to being rather opinionated....

Gail, I don't know if you're hoity toity. You're very devoted to your dogs and well informed, and consistently well mannered in your posts.

Opium88 · 07-05-2015, 02:32 AM

All I know is it's worth the risk of a tongue lashing to ask any question you have. I know this from experience, and I am still here. Because this forum offers so much insight and information by people who have been through everything there is to go through concerning this breed. You can go to any other site and get generalized , repetitive, and incomplete overviews on any subject you want. Or you can come here and get a barrage of heartfelt opinions, actual knowledge from experience, and yes, sometimes a heart racing blow to the pride. But that usually stems from my own ignorance. And as long as you can see past the initial perceived insult to the knowledge and the reasoning behind it, you'll actually learn quite a lot here. Even if you are already familiar with breeding Yorkies based on your parents having bred them, there's still tons to learn about different breeders methods and morals (or lack thereof) . There's usually a pretty just reason between the lines of every vehement tongue lashing. I lived with a New Yorker for a bit when I was younger, so I learned real quick to look beyond the insult to understand the logic. I apply that here as well. it works for me. I love it here.

12-04-2014, 09:10 AM	#16
magicgenie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Posts: 819	You need fear asking questions here much less than expressing opinions. Over the past 6 years or so, I've seen many breeders abandon this site as a place for meaningful discussion about their breeding. That said, I overall enjoy Yorkietalk as a place for Yorkie owners to share their experiences. Sadly, I haven't found it to be helpful to breeders looking to learn and grow. __________________ www.cloverhillyorkies.com

12-06-2014, 03:33 PM	#24
magicgenie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Posts: 819	To the OP, by all means participate here as much as you can as there is a lot to learn, but also ally yourself with some reputable breeders in your locale to exchange information and ideas. They don't have to be Yorkie breeders, they just have to be experienced and reputable. Join your local kennel club. If there is a regional Yorkshire Terrier Club where you live, join it ASAP and PARTICIPATE. There is no such club in my region and I know I missed out on a lot because of it. We don't even have a local kennel club any more. The "hoity-toity" are usually in the national parent clubs, YTCA and CYTA. If you can handle that, go for it. I'm too free-thinking to deal with it myself, but I've always marched to a different drum, so to speak. You have a good head start with parents who know this breed. Best Wishes! __________________ www.cloverhillyorkies.com

12-04-2014, 07:23 PM	#18
jovo442 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Manitoba Posts: 29	Magic Genie, thank you for the reply. I do see a lot of "hoitee toitee" on here so I hear where you are coming from. This site is a good resource though. We can be friendly and kind and positive to each other, okay let me reiterate, I grew up with my parents who are Yorkie breeders. I have a good knowledge base.

12-04-2014, 07:26 PM	#19
jovo442 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Manitoba Posts: 29	Ack! I'm getting overwhelmed by all the replies! I haven't figured out how the site works yet! Probably not best to peruse on my phone! Thanks again everyone! I appreciate all the responses, but if I keep going this thread will have 100 replies just from me! I'll have a look on my computer tomorrow! Bonne nuit!

12-04-2014, 07:30 PM	#20
jovo442 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Manitoba Posts: 29	Some bedtime reading! Thank you, Wylie's mom

12-06-2014, 02:58 PM	#23
MarkFromSea YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA Posts: 3,817	Oops! She'd probably rephrase that if she could, the OP. What I like here is the diversity. It exposes me to things I otherwise wouldn't experience or even read about elsewhere. I'm just a blue collar dog owner that came into ownership of a yorkie a little over a year and a half ago purely by chance, Gucci was given to us by a friend of my better half's because we could provide him with a better home. Suddenly, we had this special breed of dog that warranted research. That is where YT came in! YT provides some good info and fostered pride in this little dog we suddenly had. That's where I'm coming from. I appreciate the resource so much that when I see someone new come in, I put myself in their shoes. We don't all have this vast ability to express ourselves or our thoughts accurately in print. Slips of the tongue or incomplete thoughts are going to occur. These new people, myself included, come here because of the dog. Most are here for the yorkie but I've seen that many breeds are represented and that just adds to the diversity. Give the new person the benefit of the doubt, you know, unless they really screw up and not honor a contract or mistreat an animal or a human being.

07-05-2015, 02:32 AM	#28
Opium88 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Albuquerque , NM, US Posts: 621 Blog Entries: 4	All I know is it's worth the risk of a tongue lashing to ask any question you have. I know this from experience, and I am still here. Because this forum offers so much insight and information by people who have been through everything there is to go through concerning this breed. You can go to any other site and get generalized , repetitive, and incomplete overviews on any subject you want. Or you can come here and get a barrage of heartfelt opinions, actual knowledge from experience, and yes, sometimes a heart racing blow to the pride. But that usually stems from my own ignorance. And as long as you can see past the initial perceived insult to the knowledge and the reasoning behind it, you'll actually learn quite a lot here. Even if you are already familiar with breeding Yorkies based on your parents having bred them, there's still tons to learn about different breeders methods and morals (or lack thereof) . There's usually a pretty just reason between the lines of every vehement tongue lashing. I lived with a New Yorker for a bit when I was younger, so I learned real quick to look beyond the insult to understand the logic. I apply that here as well. it works for me. I love it here.