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10-14-2013, 04:19 PM | #1 |
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| Question???? A friend has a yorkie male and 2 biewer females the yorkie male somehow escaped his x-pen and tied wtih the biewer female-today this was a very unplanned accident..has this happened to anyone else just wondered what the puppies will look like -biewers-or yorkies will they have any white or coloring on them?? Please let us know what to expect...nervous in Nevada |
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10-14-2013, 05:18 PM | #2 |
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| How big is the female? How old is she? Is she healthy and are her lines good/ healthy? You can always get an emergency spay. I think mixing Biewers and Yorkies is frowned upon.
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10-14-2013, 11:14 PM | #3 |
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| I did a search and found these two images in particular that caught my attention: http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/s...pse15b8c51.jpg http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/s...psb58c10d8.jpg (In this image, the dog on the right is the biewer/yorkie mix) In my humble (and inexperienced) opinion yorkies and biewers look exactly the same exept for their colour (both are gorgeous), so the resulting pups will look exactly like a yorkie/biewer..the only surprise will be the colour of their coats I know this mix will be frowned upon..in the US, breeding in general seems to be one of gods great sins there lol, but I donīt think the owner will have any trouble placing those pups in good homes, neither does she have to worry about them growing up, weighing 25lbs and looking like bloodhounds The outcome is going to be pretty predictable when it comes to looks and size and no doubt, theyīll be adorable. Is she a breeder? (asking because she has an intact male and two intact females).Iīm asuming that being from the US, and in the case that she is a breeder, both her females and her male are all healthy (tested etc) and well looked after? If so, now that this is done, I just hope all goes well and that momma has a safe whelping. Last edited by Ginas_babys; 10-14-2013 at 11:16 PM. |
10-15-2013, 10:18 AM | #4 | |
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10-15-2013, 10:28 AM | #5 | |
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Do you know how big and how older the female is?
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10-15-2013, 11:08 AM | #6 | |
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Don't be upset ! you will have beautiful pups and a mixture of them some will look like Biewers and some reg. yorkies..when Biewers first came to the US some breeders bred them this way in hopes of getting better health & coats, since most at that time were not as healthy as today due to being closely inbred...I have owned several Biewers over the years and dearly love them,as well as the reg. yorkie good luck
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10-15-2013, 12:00 PM | #7 | |
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This is why I do not understand why people who come in here to ask about breeding get such harsh and rude awnsers most of the time Why does everyone asume that someone who is breeding for the first time is practically holding a gun to their dogs head? Why does everyone asume that the pups will die, the bitch will need help whelping and that they are degrading the breed?? Really? So unless you have 75 litters under your belt, youīre irresponsable? How exactly does one obtain experience in breeding without actually doing it? How does one become a "pro" if having a first litter is frowned upon? Breeding is not a gift one is born with, itīs something you have to learn how to do, and you canīt learn unless you do it.Iīve seen comments like "leave it to the pros" and "breeding is irresponsable" and not only do I feel bad for the person who has come to an informative forum to ask questions, but I also happen to disagree..I feel that most of the time, peoples reactions here are blown completey out of proportion and totally exagerated. I certainly do NOT agree with throwing any two dogs together or breeding mixes (I think the world has way to many "experiments" and sick dogs) but I also refuse to generalise and admit that breeding is "dangerous" and "life threatening" to every single dog, when even our vets here do NOT think that it is.Itīs almost as if you see someone breeding her dog as a form of disrespect, because maybe she didnt read for 6 years before she actually decided to do it? I dont know.I just dont know how you gain all that experience and become a pro if you refuse to let people even start.Why is someone who breeds her pet making the breed worse? Because the parents didnt look a certain way? There are some mightly ugly humans breeding out there, and thereīs no one out there controlling that People who love their pets look after them.They are well fed, they have regular vet visits, they are spoiled rotten etc..so no, I dont see why those people are downgrading the breed.We are talking about pet owners, pet lovers here..not puppymillers My Bella recently had a litter, and I wont be breeding again because to me, it was just too stressful on me..but was it hard on Bella? Did she need help whelping? Did she seem to be in pain or suffering at any point? My awnser is no, and from what I know, this is the norm (I have a mentor who has been breeding for 15 years and has never had an issue). 95% of the time, everything goes smoothly, why? Because in the wild animals donīt have midwifes or xrays or someone there to cut open the sacs and rub the pups, and we arent about to come along and show an animal what it has to do or show it how to feel. I rescued a yorkie that was born and raised UNDER A TREE by itīs mother (who escaped and got lost) and he was fine..so were his 4 sibblings. Infact he was the best natured little thing ever. I donīt know, maybe itīs just the difference between cultures and the way people in different countries think, but to me, if someone is set on breeding their dog, the dog is healthy and they have the money for possible vet bills, then I donīt see what the huge problem is. Do I think they are practically killing their dog and setting themselfs up for a disaster? No, I donīt. Do I think itīs hard work? Yes.Will they need to be prepared? Yes! But I honestly do NOT see a problem.I just havent heard any horror stories or seen anything that has made me think that way, and I guess our vets havent seen enough of them either. Again, this is where the cultural difference comes in.I think that things are way more laid back here, and no dogs here are dropping dead due to it. I still respect American breeders GREATLY and I follow alot of their advice because it makes me feel more involved and hands on with my dogs which is what I like..but I do not come down on people who are curious about breeding either.I think itīs one of those things thatīs harder on the owner of the bitch, but for the bitch, as a rule, not so much. Again, this is what I have been taught, what I have seen, what I have read, what I have been told and what I have now lived in my own flesh. I just dont think itīs fair to shun someone because they bred their dog or because they asked about it..something I have noticed that does happen here. You bred your dog or you want to breed? Expect to get 200 views but only 2 awnsers to your posts.No one is interested. You donīt breed? You are totally accepted...post away! That is not how I was raised to treat people. Last edited by Ginas_babys; 10-15-2013 at 12:01 PM. | |
10-15-2013, 12:55 PM | #8 | |
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10-15-2013, 01:48 PM | #9 | |
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How do you know I did not look at both sides of breeding? You are seriously implying that I do not care for my dog? Milo and Bella are my 5th and 6th yorkies and I have been researching breeding for over 8 years (with a mentor), and the reason I didnt do it before is because I didnt feel that I was ready and because I wanted a the perfect female to do so.Bella was that female.Bellas pups are also going to be staying at home with me. As usual, you (in general) are asuming I used a stud that my mentor allowed me to use (free of charge, nothing in return) and although my vet had no idea why she needed it, Bella was tested for a long list of things that I felt was neccesary for my own peace of mind. Again, you are asuming I did none of the above..this is a mistake made from 90% of the people on this forum.The asumptions.You donīt ask questions, but you are all very quick to judge or roll your eyes and whisper "idiot". Instead of lashing out with a "I SURE HOPE YOU WILL SPAY YOUR DOG!!" or "Oh no..I am sick of seeing posts like this!", maybe a few questions to get to know the person would be nice...and if the dog is already pregnant, why not just awnser the questions instead of patronising the member to the point where she leaves and never gets the info she may very well need. Nagging doesnt get people to listen to what you have to say, because once you offend someone, the walls come up and your words go in one ear and out the other. People who come in here for information do so because they DO care for their dogs.They could just put two dogs together and not give a toss about what happens next, but the majority donīt..they care enough to ask and gather information, even if the breeding has already taken place, and they come here thinking that this is the perfect place for that. They are looking for advice because they want to do the best possible job they can weather that be at feeding, breeding or just being a regular pet owner.So please stop asuming that when someone comes in here asking about breeding their dog for the first time, that they are lame pet owners who do not care about what happens to their dog and that they donīt care about the breed. I asure you that you wont find puppymillers on here asking questions about breeding, so why treat everyone as if they are? Yes, itīs always about the dogs, that is why people come here. Last edited by Ginas_babys; 10-15-2013 at 01:49 PM. | |
10-15-2013, 02:14 PM | #10 | |
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10-15-2013, 02:53 PM | #11 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | In the US, approximately 6 million dogs end up in a shelter each year. Of that number, between 3-4 million are euthanized. Repeat that year after year and you start to see why breeding just for the heck of it is not something to be cheered on. There truly is no excuse for an oops breeding. The cost of a neutering here in the States can run as low as $75.00; a spay not much more. When people choose to not spay/neuter, it becomes incumbent on them to prevent unintended whelpings. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as an oops breeding, rather just people who didn't take adequate measures to protect their dogs. Far too many people on this board are caring for the products of these backyard breeders. They've spent countless hours and dollars dealing with sick dogs produced from pairs that should have never been bred in the first place. I would hope that most of the people on YT would be disgusted enough by poor breeding practices to not encourage it; whether those practice are committed by a backyard breeder or a puppy mill.
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10-15-2013, 03:09 PM | #12 |
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| Gina almost EVERY single thing you posted is wrong and bad advice and information period. To the OP, without knowing the lines of your pups...you could end up with anything. Your pups more than likely will be beautiful. There will be now way to truly gage their adult weight and/size. Recent case that I know of: same circumstances as you.. Pups were all white, with some biewer coloring to them, one was deaf and died of heart failure and weighed 8lbs., One is a "normal" looking pup, as beautiful as can be and weighs 7lbs. but has a heart murmur that requires monitoring, the other looks nothing like the other 2 and weighs in at 17lbs., so you will not know what you will end up with. Assuming you don't know the lines from what was bred you want to be sure to have this momma closely vetted. Many a small pup has died, many, many, giving birth to pups that were too big and a host of other problems. Two dogs stuck together for breeding doesn't make you a good breeder, even if the pups come out healthy and normal. It makes you an unethical irresponsible dog owner/breeder. If you want to be a breeder do it the right way, for the pups sake.
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10-15-2013, 03:55 PM | #13 | |
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I know what you think of breeding and why, and I am simply telling you that I havent got it in me to treat someone so rudely just because they dont have the same thoughts as me.I dont descriminate someone just because they have a different outlook on things.In here, you do. You are basiclly saying that anyone who decides to breed their dog is a bad dog owner and that that person doesnt love their dog...that is unfair and you know very well it's not true, because not all of those people have been previously terified by some one like you (in general ) and convinced that they may as well be throwing their dog off a cliff. Not everyone is where you are, not everyone shares your ideas, not everyone who breeds their dog is should have their pets taken away, and you all need to stop asuming that new breeders are complete idiots who have just "stuck two dogs together".With all due respect, some people really need to get over themselfs As I said, anyone who takes the time to join a forum, gather information and ask questions, does those things because they do care. Edited to add- I have never promoted breeding of any kind.Infact, I am even against the breeding of designer pups, something you in the US seem to pay ALOT of money for and I happen to think is the biggest scam EVER.Please dont put words in my mouth Last edited by Ginas_babys; 10-15-2013 at 03:58 PM. | |
10-15-2013, 04:15 PM | #14 | |
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10-15-2013, 04:30 PM | #15 | |
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I do NOT promote breeding, I have rescued and fostered more dogs than I can count and I have been a dog owner my entire life and I have volunteered in a shelter long enough to understand why not everyone deserves a dog, but you are making blanket statements about every single pet owner that decides to breed and I dont agree. I have seen your comments, I have noticed how you patronise anyone who even mentions it and I have even received a message from you on the subject, and you are one of those people who makes new members walk away, do what they wanted to do anyway, but without the info they need...so are you really helping your cause by looking at every single person down your nose and chasing them away with your "advice" ? I dont think you are sending your "I love the dogs" message correctly, I just feel that you are being rude, and what happens then? Up go the walls. Beleive me, I am on your side, but I will not treat every single person who wants to know about breeding as if they are about to kill their dog because they are complete idiots...because I dont think that they are.Its as simple as that. Last edited by Ginas_babys; 10-15-2013 at 04:34 PM. | |
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