Question????

[3k9lover]

A friend has a yorkie male and 2 biewer females the yorkie male somehow escaped his x-pen and tied wtih the biewer female-today this was a very unplanned accident..has this happened to anyone else just wondered what the puppies will look like -biewers-or yorkies will they have any white or coloring on them?? Please let us know what to expect...nervous in Nevada

[Lovetodream88]

How big is the female? How old is she? Is she healthy and are her lines good/ healthy? You can always get an emergency spay. I think mixing Biewers and Yorkies is frowned upon.

[Ginas_babys]

I did a search and found these two images in particular that caught my attention:
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/s...pse15b8c51.jpg


http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/s...psb58c10d8.jpg
(In this image, the dog on the right is the biewer/yorkie mix)

In my humble (and inexperienced) opinion yorkies and biewers look exactly the same exept for their colour (both are gorgeous), so the resulting pups will look exactly like a yorkie/biewer..the only surprise will be the colour of their coats
I know this mix will be frowned upon..in the US, breeding in general seems to be one of gods great sins there lol, but I don´t think the owner will have any trouble placing those pups in good homes, neither does she have to worry about them growing up, weighing 25lbs and looking like bloodhounds
The outcome is going to be pretty predictable when it comes to looks and size and no doubt, they´ll be adorable.

Is she a breeder? (asking because she has an intact male and two intact females).I´m asuming that being from the US, and in the case that she is a breeder, both her females and her male are all healthy (tested etc) and well looked after?
If so, now that this is done, I just hope all goes well and that momma has a safe whelping.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Ginas_babys

I did a search and found these two images in particular that caught my attention:
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/s...pse15b8c51.jpg


http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/s...psb58c10d8.jpg
(In this image, the dog on the right is the biewer/yorkie mix)

In my humble (and inexperienced) opinion yorkies and biewers look exactly the same exept for their colour (both are gorgeous), so the resulting pups will look exactly like a yorkie/biewer..the only surprise will be the colour of their coats
I know this mix will be frowned upon..in the US, breeding in general seems to be one of gods great sins there lol, but I don´t think the owner will have any trouble placing those pups in good homes, neither does she have to worry about them growing up, weighing 25lbs and looking like bloodhounds
The outcome is going to be pretty predictable when it comes to looks and size and no doubt, they´ll be adorable.

Is she a breeder? (asking because she has an intact male and two intact females).I´m asuming that being from the US, and in the case that she is a breeder, both her females and her male are all healthy (tested etc) and well looked after?
If so, now that this is done, I just hope all goes well and that momma has a safe whelping.

In the US we have millions of dogs being put to sleep yearly in shelters because no one wants them because people just breed anything they want and don't think about what is gonna happen to the puppies and most don't care. We also have way to many dogs with genetic disorders and illness who look nothing like the breed they are supposed to be. This is damaging the breeds people love so much that's why the only reason to breed would be to better the breed not to make more of what's filling the shelters and being born to just suffer. People think breeding a dog is nothing but that's not true there are many many things that can go wrong and your female and or the pups could die. Most small breed dogs need help whelping and most people just think the dog does it all on there own and that's not the case. It also is painful for the female to have puppies and the pregnancy is uncomfortable like it is for humans so it should not just be done for the heck of it. I encourage you to do a little research about dog overpopulation in the US and such.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by 3k9lover

A friend has a yorkie male and 2 biewer females the yorkie male somehow escaped his x-pen and tied wtih the biewer female-today this was a very unplanned accident..has this happened to anyone else just wondered what the puppies will look like -biewers-or yorkies will they have any white or coloring on them?? Please let us know what to expect...nervous in Nevada

Can you ask your friend how long the female has been in heat. If it was real early or real late in her heat cycle then there could be a good chance she does not get pregnant. I am assuming the friend had not intended to breed them.
Do you know how big and how older the female is?

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by 3k9lover

A friend has a yorkie male and 2 biewer females the yorkie male somehow escaped his x-pen and tied wtih the biewer female-today this was a very unplanned accident..has this happened to anyone else just wondered what the puppies will look like -biewers-or yorkies will they have any white or coloring on them?? Please let us know what to expect...nervous in Nevada

Don't be upset ! you will have beautiful pups and a mixture of them some will look like Biewers and some reg. yorkies..when Biewers first came to the US some breeders bred them this way in hopes of getting better health & coats, since most at that time were not as healthy as today due to being closely inbred...I have owned several Biewers over the years and dearly love them,as well as the reg. yorkie good luck

[Ginas_babys]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

In the US we have millions of dogs being put to sleep yearly in shelters because no one wants them because people just breed anything they want and don't think about what is gonna happen to the puppies and most don't care. We also have way to many dogs with genetic disorders and illness who look nothing like the breed they are supposed to be. This is damaging the breeds people love so much that's why the only reason to breed would be to better the breed not to make more of what's filling the shelters and being born to just suffer. People think breeding a dog is nothing but that's not true there are many many things that can go wrong and your female and or the pups could die. Most small breed dogs need help whelping and most people just think the dog does it all on there own and that's not the case. It also is painful for the female to have puppies and the pregnancy is uncomfortable like it is for humans so it should not just be done for the heck of it. I encourage you to do a little research about dog overpopulation in the US and such.

We have shelters here too, and abandoned dogs too etc, but in no way or form is anyone here (Spain) dead set on "leaving it to the pros", because the way I (and everyone else here) sees it´even the pros started somewhere.We have some fantastic hobby breeders who have very long waiting lists because they maybe have one litter a year (then skip another) and we have some great pro breeders too, but no one sees breeding as such a dangerous and life threatening matter and I have to agree (sorry).
This is why I do not understand why people who come in here to ask about breeding get such harsh and rude awnsers most of the time

Why does everyone asume that someone who is breeding for the first time is practically holding a gun to their dogs head? Why does everyone asume that the pups will die, the bitch will need help whelping and that they are degrading the breed?? Really? So unless you have 75 litters under your belt, you´re irresponsable? How exactly does one obtain experience in breeding without actually doing it? How does one become a "pro" if having a first litter is frowned upon? Breeding is not a gift one is born with, it´s something you have to learn how to do, and you can´t learn unless you do it.I´ve seen comments like "leave it to the pros" and "breeding is irresponsable" and not only do I feel bad for the person who has come to an informative forum to ask questions, but I also happen to disagree..I feel that most of the time, peoples reactions here are blown completey out of proportion and totally exagerated.

I certainly do NOT agree with throwing any two dogs together or breeding mixes (I think the world has way to many "experiments" and sick dogs) but I also refuse to generalise and admit that breeding is "dangerous" and "life threatening" to every single dog, when even our vets here do NOT think that it is.It´s almost as if you see someone breeding her dog as a form of disrespect, because maybe she didnt read for 6 years before she actually decided to do it? I dont know.I just dont know how you gain all that experience and become a pro if you refuse to let people even start.Why is someone who breeds her pet making the breed worse? Because the parents didnt look a certain way?
There are some mightly ugly humans breeding out there, and there´s no one out there controlling that
People who love their pets look after them.They are well fed, they have regular vet visits, they are spoiled rotten etc..so no, I dont see why those people are downgrading the breed.We are talking about pet owners, pet lovers here..not puppymillers

My Bella recently had a litter, and I wont be breeding again because to me, it was just too stressful on me..but was it hard on Bella? Did she need help whelping? Did she seem to be in pain or suffering at any point? My awnser is no, and from what I know, this is the norm (I have a mentor who has been breeding for 15 years and has never had an issue).
95% of the time, everything goes smoothly, why? Because in the wild animals don´t have midwifes or xrays or someone there to cut open the sacs and rub the pups, and we arent about to come along and show an animal what it has to do or show it how to feel.
I rescued a yorkie that was born and raised UNDER A TREE by it´s mother (who escaped and got lost) and he was fine..so were his 4 sibblings.
Infact he was the best natured little thing ever.

I don´t know, maybe it´s just the difference between cultures and the way people in different countries think, but to me, if someone is set on breeding their dog, the dog is healthy and they have the money for possible vet bills, then I don´t see what the huge problem is.
Do I think they are practically killing their dog and setting themselfs up for a disaster? No, I don´t.
Do I think it´s hard work? Yes.Will they need to be prepared? Yes! But I honestly do NOT see a problem.I just havent heard any horror stories or seen anything that has made me think that way, and I guess our vets havent seen enough of them either.

Again, this is where the cultural difference comes in.I think that things are way more laid back here, and no dogs here are dropping dead due to it.
I still respect American breeders GREATLY and I follow alot of their advice because it makes me feel more involved and hands on with my dogs which is what I like..but I do not come down on people who are curious about breeding either.I think it´s one of those things that´s harder on the owner of the bitch, but for the bitch, as a rule, not so much.
Again, this is what I have been taught, what I have seen, what I have read, what I have been told and what I have now lived in my own flesh.

I just dont think it´s fair to shun someone because they bred their dog or because they asked about it..something I have noticed that does happen here.
You bred your dog or you want to breed? Expect to get 200 views but only 2 awnsers to your posts.No one is interested.
You don´t breed? You are totally accepted...post away!

That is not how I was raised to treat people.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Ginas_babys

We have shelters here too, and abandoned dogs too etc, but in no way or form is anyone here (Spain) dead set on "leaving it to the pros", because the way I (and everyone else here) sees it´even the pros started somewhere.We have some fantastic hobby breeders who have very long waiting lists because they maybe have one litter a year (then skip another) and we have some great pro breeders too, but no one sees breeding as such a dangerous and life threatening matter and I have to agree (sorry).
This is why I do not understand why people who come in here to ask about breeding get such harsh and rude awnsers most of the time

Why does everyone asume that someone who is breeding for the first time is practically holding a gun to their dogs head? Why does everyone asume that the pups will die, the bitch will need help whelping and that they are degrading the breed?? Really? So unless you have 75 litters under your belt, you´re irresponsable? How exactly does one obtain experience in breeding without actually doing it? How does one become a "pro" if having a first litter is frowned upon? Breeding is not a gift one is born with, it´s something you have to learn how to do, and you can´t learn unless you do it.I´ve seen comments like "leave it to the pros" and "breeding is irresponsable" and not only do I feel bad for the person who has come to an informative forum to ask questions, but I also happen to disagree..I feel that most of the time, peoples reactions here are blown completey out of proportion and totally exagerated.

I certainly do NOT agree with throwing any two dogs together or breeding mixes (I think the world has way to many "experiments" and sick dogs) but I also refuse to generalise and admit that breeding is "dangerous" and "life threatening" to every single dog, when even our vets here do NOT think that it is.It´s almost as if you see someone breeding her dog as a form of disrespect, because maybe she didnt read for 6 years before she actually decided to do it? I dont know.I just dont know how you gain all that experience and become a pro if you refuse to let people even start.Why is someone who breeds her pet making the breed worse? Because the parents didnt look a certain way?
There are some mightly ugly humans breeding out there, and there´s no one out there controlling that
People who love their pets look after them.They are well fed, they have regular vet visits, they are spoiled rotten etc..so no, I dont see why those people are downgrading the breed.We are talking about pet owners, pet lovers here..not puppymillers

My Bella recently had a litter, and I wont be breeding again because to me, it was just too stressful on me..but was it hard on Bella? Did she need help whelping? Did she seem to be in pain or suffering at any point? My awnser is no, and from what I know, this is the norm (I have a mentor who has been breeding for 15 years and has never had an issue).
95% of the time, everything goes smoothly, why? Because in the wild animals don´t have midwifes or xrays or someone there to cut open the sacs and rub the pups, and we arent about to come along and show an animal what it has to do or show it how to feel.
I rescued a yorkie that was born and raised UNDER A TREE by it´s mother (who escaped and got lost) and he was fine..so were his 4 sibblings.
Infact he was the best natured little thing ever.

I don´t know, maybe it´s just the difference between cultures and the way people in different countries think, but to me, if someone is set on breeding their dog, the dog is healthy and they have the money for possible vet bills, then I don´t see what the huge problem is.
Do I think they are practically killing their dog and setting themselfs up for a disaster? No, I don´t.
Do I think it´s hard work? Yes.Will they need to be prepared? Yes! But I honestly do NOT see a problem.I just havent heard any horror stories or seen anything that has made me think that way, and I guess our vets havent seen enough of them either.

Again, this is where the cultural difference comes in.I think that things are way more laid back here, and no dogs here are dropping dead due to it.
I still respect American breeders GREATLY and I follow alot of their advice because it makes me feel more involved and hands on with my dogs which is what I like..but I do not come down on people who are curious about breeding either.I think it´s one of those things that´s harder on the owner of the bitch, but for the bitch, as a rule, not so much.
Again, this is what I have been taught, what I have seen, what I have read, what I have been told and what I have now lived in my own flesh.

I just dont think it´s fair to shun someone because they bred their dog or because they asked about it..something I have noticed that does happen here.
You bred your dog or you want to breed? Expect to get 200 views but only 2 awnsers to your posts.No one is interested.
You don´t breed? You are totally accepted...post away!

That is not how I was raised to treat people.

It must be a whole lot different here then. You must not have puppy mills and dogs being beaten, fought, used as bate dogs, abused and left to die but we do. I also think if you researched more here and the internet you would see that death does happen in breeding a lot more then you think. I can not believe you do not think that breeding, pregnancy, and whelping is not hard on a female. That is very false it is hard on there bodies and it does hurt. I am guessing you have not had a baby and I suggest you do to know the pain and that it is there. This is another reason I think to many people are breeding because they absolutely do not think about the female dog and the pain and stuff. If you breed a female under 5 pounds it also becomes extremely risky and that's a fact too. I am sorry you didn't look at both sides before breeding and that it went great for you but its not necessarily like that in the real world to every one. Yorkies are not dogs of the wild they are very far from wild dogs we made the breed and the breed has to have help doing certain things like whelping maybe some might make it on there own but a lot would not and a lot would die. I don't think you are comprehending that millions are being put to sleep yearly over here not just a few a million dogs who never asked to be brought into this world and who never asked to be unloved and die alone. There are also millions of dogs being breed for just the heck of it or just for money that are sick and suffer and most of the time die. I'm guessing Spain does not have greedy people but we do and most of them breed yorkies or other high priced breeds and then sell them all for the money never caring about the dog or the puppies. There is a way to start breeding the right way you get a mentor and learn from them and eventually they will trust you enough to let you breed with there help one of there dogs from there lines that are healthy and lacking in genetic illness. That is how you start. We have many many posts of people asking if there yorkie looks like a pure yorkie if people stopped breeding sick and unhealthy yorkies or just yorkies who look nothing like a yorkie then this would not happen as much. If you are determined to breed your dog anyway you should do health testing available, you should know the lines of your dogs to know if they have genetic illness. If every one who bred a dog took responsibility for the puppies THEY made it might not be so much of an issue but they don't and they are not willing to pay for the genetic illness that pop up two years down the line that cost thousands of dollars that most people can't afford so they have to give there dog up to either a rescue or they just take it to the pound. Breeding is dangerous and you ALWAYS have the chance of losing your dog and or the puppies not every one is lucky. Please take time to read the sick and injured section about the puppies who where to young to leave there mom and be sold but they where and many have died and many have survived but had the breeder been better that would not have happened. Read the story's about the young puppies who had many issues non health related but due to bad breeders not keeping them long enough. I speak and post for the dogs not for other people so yeah maybe sometimes my posts are harsh because it is ALWAYS about the dogs to me and there are many people like that here.

[Ginas_babys]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

It must be a whole lot different here then. You must not have puppy mills and dogs being beaten, fought, used as bate dogs, abused and left to die but we do. I also think if you researched more here and the internet you would see that death does happen in breeding a lot more then you think. I can not believe you do not think that breeding, pregnancy, and whelping is not hard on a female. That is very false it is hard on there bodies and it does hurt. I am guessing you have not had a baby and I suggest you do to know the pain and that it is there. This is another reason I think to many people are breeding because they absolutely do not think about the female dog and the pain and stuff. If you breed a female under 5 pounds it also becomes extremely risky and that's a fact too. I am sorry you didn't look at both sides before breeding and that it went great for you but its not necessarily like that in the real world to every one. Yorkies are not dogs of the wild they are very far from wild dogs we made the breed and the breed has to have help doing certain things like whelping maybe some might make it on there own but a lot would not and a lot would die. I don't think you are comprehending that millions are being put to sleep yearly over here not just a few a million dogs who never asked to be brought into this world and who never asked to be unloved and die alone. There are also millions of dogs being breed for just the heck of it or just for money that are sick and suffer and most of the time die. I'm guessing Spain does not have greedy people but we do and most of them breed yorkies or other high priced breeds and then sell them all for the money never caring about the dog or the puppies. There is a way to start breeding the right way you get a mentor and learn from them and eventually they will trust you enough to let you breed with there help one of there dogs from there lines that are healthy and lacking in genetic illness. That is how you start. We have many many posts of people asking if there yorkie looks like a pure yorkie if people stopped breeding sick and unhealthy yorkies or just yorkies who look nothing like a yorkie then this would not happen as much. If you are determined to breed your dog anyway you should do health testing available, you should know the lines of your dogs to know if they have genetic illness. If every one who bred a dog took responsibility for the puppies THEY made it might not be so much of an issue but they don't and they are not willing to pay for the genetic illness that pop up two years down the line that cost thousands of dollars that most people can't afford so they have to give there dog up to either a rescue or they just take it to the pound. Breeding is dangerous and you ALWAYS have the chance of losing your dog and or the puppies not every one is lucky. Please take time to read the sick and injured section about the puppies who where to young to leave there mom and be sold but they where and many have died and many have survived but had the breeder been better that would not have happened. Read the story's about the young puppies who had many issues non health related but due to bad breeders not keeping them long enough. I speak and post for the dogs not for other people so yeah maybe sometimes my posts are harsh because it is ALWAYS about the dogs to me and there are many people like that here.

I actually have 3 children (16, 14 and 5 years old) Was it hard on me? Yes.Pregnancy is! But our bodies are made to do it and made to handle it, that is just the way it is.Females (of all species) breed and procreate and whilst there are always risks, its what we are designed to do and it´s how we keep the world populated.

How do you know I did not look at both sides of breeding? You are seriously implying that I do not care for my dog? Milo and Bella are my 5th and 6th yorkies and I have been researching breeding for over 8 years (with a mentor), and the reason I didnt do it before is because I didnt feel that I was ready and because I wanted a the perfect female to do so.Bella was that female.Bellas pups are also going to be staying at home with me.
As usual, you (in general) are asuming

I used a stud that my mentor allowed me to use (free of charge, nothing in return) and although my vet had no idea why she needed it, Bella was tested for a long list of things that I felt was neccesary for my own peace of mind.
Again, you are asuming I did none of the above..this is a mistake made from 90% of the people on this forum.The asumptions.You don´t ask questions, but you are all very quick to judge or roll your eyes and whisper "idiot".

Instead of lashing out with a "I SURE HOPE YOU WILL SPAY YOUR DOG!!" or "Oh no..I am sick of seeing posts like this!", maybe a few questions to get to know the person would be nice...and if the dog is already pregnant, why not just awnser the questions instead of patronising the member to the point where she leaves and never gets the info she may very well need.
Nagging doesnt get people to listen to what you have to say, because once you offend someone, the walls come up and your words go in one ear and out the other.

People who come in here for information do so because they DO care for their dogs.They could just put two dogs together and not give a toss about what happens next, but the majority don´t..they care enough to ask and gather information, even if the breeding has already taken place, and they come here thinking that this is the perfect place for that.
They are looking for advice because they want to do the best possible job they can weather that be at feeding, breeding or just being a regular pet owner.So please stop asuming that when someone comes in here asking about breeding their dog for the first time, that they are lame pet owners who do not care about what happens to their dog and that they don´t care about the breed.
I asure you that you wont find puppymillers on here asking questions about breeding, so why treat everyone as if they are? Yes, it´s always about the dogs, that is why people come here.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Ginas_babys

I actually have 3 children (16, 14 and 5 years old) Was it hard on me? Yes.Pregnancy is! But our bodies are made to do it and made to handle it, that is just the way it is.Females (of all species) breed and procreate and whilst there are always risks, its what we are designed to do and it´s how we keep the world populated.

How do you know I did not look at both sides of breeding? You are seriously implying that I do not care for my dog? Milo and Bella are my 5th and 6th yorkies and I have been researching breeding for over 8 years (with a mentor), and the reason I didnt do it before is because I didnt feel that I was ready and because I wanted a the perfect female to do so.Bella was that female.Bellas pups are also going to be staying at home with me.
As usual, you (in general) are asuming

I used a stud that my mentor allowed me to use (free of charge, nothing in return) and although my vet had no idea why she needed it, Bella was tested for a long list of things that I felt was neccesary for my own peace of mind.
Again, you are asuming I did none of the above..this is a mistake made from 90% of the people on this forum.The asumptions.You don´t ask questions, but you are all very quick to judge or roll your eyes and whisper "idiot".

Instead of lashing out with a "I SURE HOPE YOU WILL SPAY YOUR DOG!!" or "Oh no..I am sick of seeing posts like this!", maybe a few questions to get to know the person would be nice...and if the dog is already pregnant, why not just awnser the questions instead of patronising the member to the point where she leaves and never gets the info she may very well need.
Nagging doesnt get people to listen to what you have to say, because once you offend someone, the walls come up and your words go in one ear and out the other.

People who come in here for information do so because they DO care for their dogs.They could just put two dogs together and not give a toss about what happens next, but the majority don´t..they care enough to ask and gather information, even if the breeding has already taken place, and they come here thinking that this is the perfect place for that.
They are looking for advice because they want to do the best possible job they can weather that be at feeding, breeding or just being a regular pet owner.So please stop asuming that when someone comes in here asking about breeding their dog for the first time, that they are lame pet owners who do not care about what happens to their dog and that they don´t care about the breed.
I asure you that you wont find puppymillers on here asking questions about breeding, so why treat everyone as if they are? Yes, it´s always about the dogs, that is why people come here.

I never assumed you didn't do testing but most people don't because most available genetic testing and such costs a lot of money and you have to go to a special vet to do it. A lot of people come here for free advise and never go to the vet and after being here for years you will learn that. Not all females are made to have babies some there body's cannot handle it. When an accidental pregnancy happens an emergency spaying is the best and safest option for the dog when the person knows nothing about breeding nor the health of the breeding dogs or there lines. You came off to me like someone who feels like a dog is just a dog and there here to breed. I'm not saying that's how you are that's just how it came off to me. Breeding is something I take very seriously.

[Rhetts_mama]

In the US, approximately 6 million dogs end up in a shelter each year. Of that number, between 3-4 million are euthanized. Repeat that year after year and you start to see why breeding just for the heck of it is not something to be cheered on.

There truly is no excuse for an oops breeding. The cost of a neutering here in the States can run as low as $75.00; a spay not much more. When people choose to not spay/neuter, it becomes incumbent on them to prevent unintended whelpings. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as an oops breeding, rather just people who didn't take adequate measures to protect their dogs.

Far too many people on this board are caring for the products of these backyard breeders. They've spent countless hours and dollars dealing with sick dogs produced from pairs that should have never been bred in the first place. I would hope that most of the people on YT would be disgusted enough by poor breeding practices to not encourage it; whether those practice are committed by a backyard breeder or a puppy mill.

[lynzy420]

Gina almost EVERY single thing you posted is wrong and bad advice and information period.

To the OP, without knowing the lines of your pups...you could end up with anything. Your pups more than likely will be beautiful. There will be now way to truly gage their adult weight and/size. Recent case that I know of: same circumstances as you..

Pups were all white, with some biewer coloring to them, one was deaf and died of heart failure and weighed 8lbs., One is a "normal" looking pup, as beautiful as can be and weighs 7lbs. but has a heart murmur that requires monitoring, the other looks nothing like the other 2 and weighs in at 17lbs., so you will not know what you will end up with.

Assuming you don't know the lines from what was bred you want to be sure to have this momma closely vetted. Many a small pup has died, many, many, giving birth to pups that were too big and a host of other problems.

Two dogs stuck together for breeding doesn't make you a good breeder, even if the pups come out healthy and normal. It makes you an unethical irresponsible dog owner/breeder.

If you want to be a breeder do it the right way, for the pups sake.

[Ginas_babys]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Gina almost EVERY single thing you posted is wrong and bad advice and information period.

I havent given any advice or information, I have given my opinion on the dramatic mindset in the US when it comes to breeding, and my opinion is based on the same things your opinions are - experience, our vets information and advice and of course, the advice we can get from mentors.

I know what you think of breeding and why, and I am simply telling you that I havent got it in me to treat someone so rudely just because they dont have the same thoughts as me.I dont descriminate someone just because they have a different outlook on things.In here, you do.

You are basiclly saying that anyone who decides to breed their dog is a bad dog owner and that that person doesnt love their dog...that is unfair and you know very well it's not true, because not all of those people have been previously terified by some one like you (in general ) and convinced that they may as well be throwing their dog off a cliff.

Not everyone is where you are, not everyone shares your ideas, not everyone who breeds their dog is should have their pets taken away, and you all need to stop asuming that new breeders are complete idiots who have just "stuck two dogs together".With all due respect, some people really need to get over themselfs
As I said, anyone who takes the time to join a forum, gather information and ask questions, does those things because they do care.

Edited to add- I have never promoted breeding of any kind.Infact, I am even against the breeding of designer pups, something you in the US seem to pay ALOT of money for and I happen to think is the biggest scam EVER.Please dont put words in my mouth

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Ginas_babys

I havent given any advice or information, I have given my opinion on the dramatic mindset in the US when it comes to breeding, and my opinion is based on the same things your opinions are - experience, our vets information and advice and of course, the advice we can get from mentors.

I know what you think of breeding and why, and I am simply telling you that I havent got it in me to treat someone so rudely just because they dont have the same thoughts as me.I dont descriminate someone just because they have a different outlook on things.In here, you do.

You are basiclly saying that anyone who decides to breed their dog is a bad dog owner and that that person doesnt love their dog...that is unfair and you know very well it's not true, because not all of those people have been previously terified by some one like you (in general ) and convinced that they may as well be throwing their dog off a cliff.

Not everyone is where you are, not everyone shares your ideas, not everyone who breeds their dog is should have their pets taken away, and you all need to stop asuming that new breeders are complete idiots who have just "stuck two dogs together".With all due respect, some people really need to get over themselfs
As I said, anyone who takes the time to join a forum, gather information and ask questions, does those things because they do care.

Edited to add- I have never promoted breeding of any kind.Infact, I am even against the breeding of designer pups, something you in the US seem to pay ALOT of money for and I happen to think is the biggest scam EVER.Please dont put words in my mouth

"You in the US" ???? Really???....with all due respect, this is a non political forum...and as someone who works with people in SPAIN to further the rights of the children in Spain where the sexual abuse rate of children is 1 in 5 and the horrific atrocities to animals see A.I.D. (Animals in Distress organization) etc....Bloodfiestas etc....I particularly resent your statements. And yes sticking any two dogs together does make you a terrible breeder. You don't have to believe what I believe to know it is wrong...to me...animals and children, women and humans are all equally important.

[Ginas_babys]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

"You in the US" ???? Really???....with all due respect, this is a non political forum...and as someone who works with people in SPAIN to further the rights of the children in Spain where the sexual abuse rate of children is 1 in 5 and the horrific atrocities to animals see A.I.D. (Animals in Distress organization) etc....Bloodfiestas etc....I particularly resent your statements. And yes sticking any two dogs together does make you a terrible breeder. You don't have to believe what I believe to know it is wrong...to me...animals and children, women and humans are all equally important.

Am I not writing in English? I did not say that sticking two dogs together does not make someone a bad breeder, I said (please go back and read) that not everyone who breeds their dog is an idiot who just stuck two dogs together..as you can see, that is not the same thing.
I do NOT promote breeding, I have rescued and fostered more dogs than I can count and I have been a dog owner my entire life and I have volunteered in a shelter long enough to understand why not everyone deserves a dog, but you are making blanket statements about every single pet owner that decides to breed and I dont agree.
I have seen your comments, I have noticed how you patronise anyone who even mentions it and I have even received a message from you on the subject, and you are one of those people who makes new members walk away, do what they wanted to do anyway, but without the info they need...so are you really helping your cause by looking at every single person down your nose and chasing them away with your "advice" ? I dont think you are sending your "I love the dogs" message correctly, I just feel that you are being rude, and what happens then? Up go the walls.
Beleive me, I am on your side, but I will not treat every single person who wants to know about breeding as if they are about to kill their dog because they are complete idiots...because I dont think that they are.Its as simple as that.