Buyer be Aware of who you are buying that "cute" puppy from?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Yes, I know -- that's why I wanted to offer some protection for her by stating that she has not confirmed anything via this thread, nor has she accused anyone of anything.



I agree -- that's why I said RED FLAGS for the breeder who was linked (Sweetyorkiekisses) - they mention teacups, babydolls, hybrids...on and on .

Ann,

I can confirm that this is the site. Does that help?

Mary

[TammyJM]

I hate that someone is using YT like this!

[CLG]

Hi everyone, I'm new here, and boy, I feel kind of foolish. I wish I would have found you guys sooner. Is there a thread I can read to educate myself on these "red flags" - I want to know more! I bought my puppies from a breeder in Oklahoma, and it seemed like she was very concerned and loving, but what do I know? I mean, I am in Southern California, I didn't check her out physically. She was recommended by someone, I googled her and saw no complaints from anyone..so I jumped in and got my babies. I want to be a responsible owner...I want to do what's right - I would like to know more about these red flags please

[Delightyorkies]

Originally Posted by dvweez

I am not sure what you mean when you say there is confusion my puppy for sale ad and this unethical breeder. That really gets me upset.
This has really turned ugly and it was not suppose to be anything other than a letter to educate others about a frustrating situation.
Okay, tell me everyone....if I out this woman and her business and it will be destroyed based on a conversation she had with me which lasted about 45 minutes. Tell me...am I positively sure that this was the business owner who called me? When I answered the phone she said I saw your ad and was wondering if you would be interested in trading your pup for my biewer. I said absolutely NOT. She continued talking....and talking....I shared with all of you what she told me. I have been inudated with PM.'s some really nice people and some really rude people. I have tried to p.m. each person that commented. I have told them not to buy from anyone from Temecula, California. BTW, I would call Animal Control immediately if I thought the dogs were in danger....I don't know. I do know she is unethical in the ways she collects and sells her dogs. I don't see what this has to do with MY ad in Yorkie Talk? I do apologize, I really don't get this upset....this was NOT meant to be what it has become.

I know exactly how you feel.We tried to expose her last June in a thread called "THE WHOLE PARTI THING".Obie got totally bashed for it.That is the reason why many of us don't even bother to post on YT anymore.The woman called several Biewer breeders .She needed a running car and wanted to trade one of her dogs.She told us she just got a couple Yorkies from a family that had lost their home and resold them instantly.She does talk and talk.She also told us that she does c-sections on her dogs, by somebody in their home for $50 .00.It will make you sick.Oddly she seems to be proud of her selling skills and will tell you her entire business.Obie was shocked because of the YT member she got her Biewers from and she listed them as her good friends on her website.Legally there is very little anybody can do to her without proof.I blame the people that cover it up, that they sell dogs to these kind of people and then have selective memory loss.Your instincts are definitely right about this one!!

[clm56]

Greeder, Greeder, Greeder

Oh, did I say Greeder!!!!! You bet I did.

Please save these poor animals!! We are their voice!!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Ann,

I can confirm that this is the site. Does that help?

Mary

Anyone can confirm their *own* experiences with the website which was previously mentioned.

From what we understand from the OP, however, is that she does not wish to confirm anything publicly.

So...no...no one should be speaking for her. This is Dvweez's choice, not ours to make or confirm for her...

[cj125]

$100.00 to $2000.00 for an adoption fee? Come on!!!

[fannie]

Before it's even asked, although the name is slightly different, I am in NO way affiliated with this person and their "business" in any way, shape or form. That name is just too close for comfort for me to not say something.

[joeys mom]

I think we should commend dvweez for making the public aware that there is a breeder in that area that might be doing some questionable things and that anyone choosing to deal with her should do some research before buying or selling any animal with her. I think dvweez has done what she set out to do without putting herself at risk to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit. She has no personal experience other that the phone conversation, and I admire her willing to post that information to unsuspecting buyers. It sounds like she is going to do more investigating of the breeder and I am sure will take proper action if she suspects the animals are in danger or not properly cared for. I don't know of any laws to prevent this lady from selling rescued dogs. That is something we all need to try to work on and get laws passed to protect these animals. Taking the action to put herself out here and being probed for the name has had to be hard on her, I wouldn't want to put a name to a phone conversation either. My fear is if we hound (if you will) for a poster to give a name, in the future someone who had an experience, such as dvweez will not post that experience, therefore, these so called breeders remain uncovered as to what they really are.... Just my opinion.... Sharon

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by joeys mom

I think we should commend dvweez for making the public aware that there is a breeder in that area that might be doing some questionable things and that anyone choosing to deal with her should do some research before buying or selling any animal with her. I think dvweez has done what she set out to do without putting herself at risk to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit. She has no personal experience other that the phone conversation, and I admire her willing to post that information to unsuspecting buyers. It sounds like she is going to do more investigating of the breeder and I am sure will take proper action if she suspects the animals are in danger or not properly cared for. I don't know of any laws to prevent this lady from selling rescued dogs. That is something we all need to try to work on and get laws passed to protect these animals. Taking the action to put herself out here and being probed for the name has had to be hard on her, I wouldn't want to put a name to a phone conversation either. My fear is if we hound (if you will) for a poster to give a name, in the future someone who had an experience, such as dvweez will not post that experience, therefore, these so called breeders remain uncovered as to what they really are.... Just my opinion.... Sharon

I agree, from what I've read fake rescues are one of the biggest new things, some puppy mill breeders are even running them. I think dvweez main message is we should really investigate the breeder or rescue before we do business with them. A breeder who breeds for money is no different than a salesman, they all seem really nice, they have to.

[Romans]

How dare you say those HORRIBLE LIES!!! What is wrong with you? I called to give you an opportunity to own my line offering you an even trade if your puppy would par up to be of equal quality to give us both a new line. I also told you I get new lines just as quality as the ones I produce anytime I want but you live by my parents and I thought we could halp eachother out. I would visit you when I visit them. I'm a big girl and don't help but this is a hobby and I breed for fun! I continuely aim to improve my already exquisit canine companions. I'm always looking for new friends who share the same interest and values. Who isn't? I was wrong when I chose you obviously and to me that is ok. I took a chance on a random new breeder, tried to get to know her and boy do I know you now Vicki. I didn't need to make you that offer. I was trying to be nice. I would not have resold your puppy and I never said that. You are severely confused. I told you that I help my friends place their puppies in good homes and I offered my assisitance which you were so excited about and you said that was so awesome how I help out my friends "your so nice to do that" You said you that you look forward to working together, you said that you wanted to trade stud services, you said you would never except less than $1600 for a puppy and my response to that was we certainly know how much work,love and expense goes into our puppies but that you can't be greedy and sometimes you have to take the loss to get your puppy the best home while he/she is young. I offered to mentor you as well.
Most of the puppies whom are listed on my site are AKC registered and if they are a Yorkie Hybrid then then the parents are AKC. Believe it or not 50% of the calls I receive from my customers say they would never buy a purebred. Not everyone likes purebred Yorkies. Shorkies have been bred for over 23 years! There is a Shorkie club of America. My puppies are very healthy, vet checked, have had atleast 2 sets of shots and are 90% potty trained before they go, pre-spoiled and gorgeous! I did not say anything wrong and I do have honest work ethics. I have no idea why you are out to get me. I have committed no crime other than trusting stranger who said "you shouldn't trust anybody, you can trust me but you shouldn't tell people your business". "My response to you was I know but I can't help it, I trust everyone especially after we have been friends for 2 years" remember? I made you a really nice offer like I said. I don't whay you would try to ruin a stranger and her business much less someone in the same profession. Look how you have gotten all of these innocent people believing you? You have people in a uproar for what? Why? You juat are not making sense at all. I do not want any trouble. I have caused no harm to you or anyone in this world and I will continue to do business as usual. WIth my big loving heart and always putting God first. Have a good day. Sincerely, Melissa

Originally Posted by dvweez

Hi All,

Other than putting in my ad regarding my yorkie for sale, I really don't write a lot on these forums. I am usually reading the valuable information you share with all of us yorkie parents out there.
Many of you have been around for years and have seen the good and unfortunately the bad intentions of others involving the raising/breeding/selling and buying these beautiful,sweet dogs.
I think I have been under a rock. I personally have always prided myself to be an honest-respectful and responsible breeder. I surround myself with people with those qualities.
I have ALWAYS expected others to live by those rules when it comes to breeding an animal. (Yes, I have been under a pretty big rock..) It has taken me years of visiting breeders, finding a reputiable mentor, educating myself-listening to others and the ability to have the time and money involved to even consider becoming a breeder.
I do it for the love and betterment of the breed NOT the money. Any breeder doing it for the right reasons will tell you that it is not about Money....you spend more than you ever put back in your pocket.
It makes me so happy to find that right person who will give my little one the love and attention she deserves. I do my research on that person also.

Yesterday, I received a call from a local breeder that asked me if I was willing to "trade" my puppy for a dog she wanted to sell. I told her that was out of the question! I was curious as to why a breeder was calling a stranger and making an offer like this.
This woman has been breeding yorkies for years and I remind you (she has a nice website, on google and several other legitiment sites.)
She told me she adopts yorkies from a shelter for a fee then turns around and sells them on sites including yorkie talk-and makes several hundred dollars selling them to a person who see a cute dog at a great price and listens to a fictious history and once again...what a great deal!!
It is so sad. The dog may have been abused and neglected, scared of children or other animals and they will probably end up at another shelter before long.
She is also buying very cute yorkies with (AKC papers) from Mexico. I wonder if the akc paper work is fraudulent....hmmm...i vote yes....would the buyer do their homework and call AKC?
I always remind my buyers just because a dog is registered AKC does not mean that the dog cannot pass down congenital problems, temperment issues....etc
She buys these babies for $ 400 and sells them for $800-$1,000. Great deal eh?? The buyers love the pups face, the kisses and the snuggling...chaa ching...she has a buyer. Chances are this baby will end up sick. No history...no research...it is the fault of the seller and the buyer.
She is breeding some of her own yorkies When questioning her further...she says the father is "ummm at a friends house and he is getting his akc this week." She also sells, biewers, poodles, morkies...too many to list...do you see this on her site....no you don't...if you DON'T do your research you never will.
It is frustrating...to see this happening. She and (many other "so called breeders") are putting these poor yorkies through hell to make a buck to satisfy that rotating door of buyers who don't bother to do some research and are convinced they are getting the deal of a lifetime.

I told her that my business was based on integrity. To be able to look a buyer in the eye with no hesitation and know that they are getting a fair and honest deal. My dogs come from a happy home, lots of hugs with clean bill of health a legitiment family history and parents who will greet them at the door. Is the price "cheap?" No it is fair. I have a bottom line and will never go below that. My dogs are not a "blue light special."
Anyone who comes over to look at my pup and says I love him BUT there is a lady with some cute AKC pups that are selling much cheaper across town....I shake my head...tell them good luck...be careful and show them the door. After talking with her...I took a long shower...I felt sick.....yep...I have been under a rock....I wish I could stay that...tx for the time...hope this helps someone? Sorry for the spelling errors....writing from the heart...and have left my spellcheck off...
vicki

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Romans

How dare you say those HORRIBLE LIES!!! What is wrong with you? I called to give you an opportunity to own my line offering you an even trade if your puppy would par up to be of equal quality to give us both a new line. I also told you I get new lines just as quality as the ones I produce anytime I want but you live by my parents and I thought we could halp eachother out. I would visit you when I visit them. I'm a big girl and don't help but this is a hobby and I breed for fun! I continuely aim to improve my already exquisit canine companions. I'm always looking for new friends who share the same interest and values. Who isn't? I was wrong when I chose you obviously and to me that is ok. I took a chance on a random new breeder, tried to get to know her and boy do I know you now Vicki. I didn't need to make you that offer. I was trying to be nice. I would not have resold your puppy and I never said that. You are severely confused. I told you that I help my friends place their puppies in good homes and I offered my assisitance which you were so excited about and you said that was so awesome how I help out my friends "your so nice to do that" You said you that you look forward to working together, you said that you wanted to trade stud services, you said you would never except less than $1600 for a puppy and my response to that was we certainly know how much work,love and expense goes into our puppies but that you can't be greedy and sometimes you have to take the loss to get your puppy the best home while he/she is young. I offered to mentor you as well.
Most of the puppies whom are listed on my site are AKC registered and if they are a Yorkie Hybrid then then the parents are AKC. Believe it or not 50% of the calls I receive from my customers say they would never buy a purebred. Not everyone likes purebred Yorkies. Shorkies have been bred for over 23 years! There is a Shorkie club of America. My puppies are very healthy, vet checked, have had atleast 2 sets of shots and are 90% potty trained before they go, pre-spoiled and gorgeous! I did not say anything wrong and I do have honest work ethics. I have no idea why you are out to get me. I have committed no crime other than trusting stranger who said "you shouldn't trust anybody, you can trust me but you shouldn't tell people your business". "My response to you was I know but I can't help it, I trust everyone especially after we have been friends for 2 years" remember? I made you a really nice offer like I said. I don't whay you would try to ruin a stranger and her business much less someone in the same profession. Look how you have gotten all of these innocent people believing you? You have people in a uproar for what? Why? You juat are not making sense at all. I do not want any trouble. I have caused no harm to you or anyone in this world and I will continue to do business as usual. WIth my big loving heart and always putting God first. Have a good day. Sincerely, Melissa www.sweetyorkiekisses.com

Melissa/RomanS -

Here at YT, we are open to all sides of the story. Please realize that at no point during this entire thread did member dvweez state that it was *your* program that she was referring to.

Rather, it was other members here who posted the link to your site.

Now, in your post above, it is actually you who is confirming dvweez's original post, and that the link posted (by other members) was accurate.

We just all need to be clear on how this story unfolded - bc dvweez tried to tell this story WITHOUT revealing who the breeder was - and that should be made very clear.

[jackson25]

Originally Posted by Romans

How dare you say those HORRIBLE LIES!!! What is wrong with you? I called to give you an opportunity to own my line offering you an even trade if your puppy would par up to be of equal quality to give us both a new line. I also told you I get new lines just as quality as the ones I produce anytime I want but you live by my parents and I thought we could halp eachother out. I would visit you when I visit them. I'm a big girl and don't help but this is a hobby and I breed for fun! I continuely aim to improve my already exquisit canine companions. I'm always looking for new friends who share the same interest and values. Who isn't? I was wrong when I chose you obviously and to me that is ok. I took a chance on a random new breeder, tried to get to know her and boy do I know you now Vicki. I didn't need to make you that offer. I was trying to be nice. I would not have resold your puppy and I never said that. You are severely confused. I told you that I help my friends place their puppies in good homes and I offered my assisitance which you were so excited about and you said that was so awesome how I help out my friends "your so nice to do that" You said you that you look forward to working together, you said that you wanted to trade stud services, you said you would never except less than $1600 for a puppy and my response to that was we certainly know how much work,love and expense goes into our puppies but that you can't be greedy and sometimes you have to take the loss to get your puppy the best home while he/she is young. I offered to mentor you as well.
Most of the puppies whom are listed on my site are AKC registered and if they are a Yorkie Hybrid then then the parents are AKC. Believe it or not 50% of the calls I receive from my customers say they would never buy a purebred. Not everyone likes purebred Yorkies. Shorkies have been bred for over 23 years! There is a Shorkie club of America. My puppies are very healthy, vet checked, have had atleast 2 sets of shots and are 90% potty trained before they go, pre-spoiled and gorgeous! I did not say anything wrong and I do have honest work ethics. I have no idea why you are out to get me. I have committed no crime other than trusting stranger who said "you shouldn't trust anybody, you can trust me but you shouldn't tell people your business". "My response to you was I know but I can't help it, I trust everyone especially after we have been friends for 2 years" remember? I made you a really nice offer like I said. I don't whay you would try to ruin a stranger and her business much less someone in the same profession. Look how you have gotten all of these innocent people believing you? You have people in a uproar for what? Why? You juat are not making sense at all. I do not want any trouble. I have caused no harm to you or anyone in this world and I will continue to do business as usual. WIth my big loving heart and always putting God first. Have a good day. Sincerely, Melissa www.sweetyorkiekisses.com

First, I would like to commend you for coming on here and clarifying the situation!

Second, how do you breed "just for fun"? If you are breeding for the betterment of the breed, then why do you breed mixes?

[joeys mom]

Dear Sweetyorkiekisses: I am not one who likes mixing the Yorkie Breed, while there are ones that perhaps do. My concern is that you NEVER mentioned the issue with selling those rescue dogs and perhaps not disclosing their true history...Would you please address this issue because that is something that is wrong for any person especially breeder to do to anyone and most importantly to the dog....I do not feel Vicki in anyway bashed or done any harm to you..... If you will read her post you will see she was making the public AWARE there was a concern that she felt people should research before buying or selling to someone in that area.... If in fact you are a true christian business owner that has clean hands, I don't thing it would be a concern for you and it should't be....She never accused you of anything at all. I respect you for coming on here and clearing your name but please take the time to read the post, and you will see SHE did not do anything more than do a public awareness that I feel she should be commended for doing......If you have a beef, look for the person that put your name out here, not Vicki......I stand behind anyone that does what she did, and if you truly have a love for the breed, I think you will join in this practice, especialy if your business is what you say, what would your concern be, again, I respect you for wanting to clear up this matter....but please read the post....... Sharon

[Romans]

Shame on all of you for getting sucked up and participating in these lies! What is going on??? This is rediculous! Talk about ethical. I'm not a puppy mill! Why would you say that? Because I like all breeds not just Yorkies? Many of my friends breed French Bull Dogs, Mastiffs, Shorkies, Yorkiepoos, Yorkies, what does that matter? Because I do a noble thing by placing my friends puppies for adoption on my site suddenly I'm a puppy Mill? My dogs aren't stuffed in cages, they don't breed more than 3 times in a life time, they are happy, healthy, neat and clean at all times and are genetically health guaranteed. I don't have the slightest idea why any of you would think differently! Have you been to my home to see personal pets? If you have then you know me very well and know for a fact my canine companions are raised like my children. They are spoiled rotten and you know what that means, that I spend thousands of dollars to make sure they are in the best of care so of course breeding them is a hobby. I get a finders fee for placing my friends puppies, and me and my partners help eachother out on a regular basis thats the american way. I have absolutely nothing to hide. I have high standards for my dogs confirmation and take pride in what they reproduce. I do NOT "buy dogs from Mexico" I do NOT "c-sections from home" what the heck??? Where are you guys getting this? yeah I have a lot of christian friends who are mexican and /or latino decent but that doesn't mean they are raising parvo dogs in mexico, thy llive here and they bought the dogs form me so I am helping them sell my own puppies! Get your facts straight before you trash talk people. I have only handful of gorgeous Yorkies and a couple precious Biewer Yorkies who mean the world to me and in no way am I a puppy mill or doing anything else illegal. As far as asking that breeder if she would consider trading one of my traditional AKC females for one of hers as long as her puppy was of equal show quality as mine? Yes! I made her that generous offer any of you should be so lucky. I have no idea why anyone would ever have ill feelings about me. This is horrific slander and definately my lawyer was notified as of last night. The lies and false accusations have spun out of control at the expense of my reputaion and possibly causing me to lose some of my new accquaintences. I just got off the phone with the husband of the breeder throwing out these lies about me and he assured me that she was crying all morning and felt sorry for what she had said and that she didn't mean directly towards me....come on, I finally figured out how to view this site thanks to a friend of mine and the false accuasations were directly for me. I am very dissapointed in the human race at this point showing no respect for me, my business, my future? I do not need nor do I want any problems. Everyone has enough trials we go through daily we do not need to be lying about the competition to move ahead. I encourage you come to my home where you will fall in love with my family and my furbabies. Please do not hesitate to refer your customers to my site who call you for a Yorkie hybrid. Their are a lot of people believe it or not who are allergic to a purebred Yorkie. I have had to trade a customers Yorkie for a Yorkiepoo on more than one occassion so do me a favor and think before you speak. I have never slandered another persons business, I won't ever do it in the future. My parents brought me up better than that and I raised my 7 children the same. Treat people the way you want to be treated. As the Bible tells us, "God turns all evil for good for those who love him according to his purpose". Romans "But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who supress the truth by there wickedness." Romans 1:18 "noone is righteous, not even one" Romans 4:10 New Believers bible