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treasurebeauty · 07-26-2009, 03:23 PM

(Oh~~~ I am so sad... I just finish typing a long post and click submit... the page asked me to log in again.. and everything I wrote disappeared....)

Okie... so I guess I am going to make it short this time...

I had found a breeder about 2yrs ago, she said she is a show breeder and is actived in the show. In her website, she has a nice champion, and all of her females are nice looking yorkie with nice bloodline. Therefore, I gave her two deposit of $500/each to be the pick of girls from the litter. I am very picky with the dogs, so I only want puppies from a certain breeding. By the time when the puppies of my pick was about 8wks old, she told me the puppies are too small for breeding, so she can not sell them to me. I totally agree, so I told her I don't mind waiting for the next litter of the same parents.

Later, I saw she has a very nice imported female available for adoption, so I asked her if I can use one of my deposit on this beautiful imported female. She said okie, but she wants me to pay the total amount for the imported female, and she will let my $1000 deposit go to the balance of my puppy. I think so far it sounds good for me.

Finally, the mommy of my pick was in heat, but she told me she is going to bred her with another breeder's champion, the number 1 yorkie in America. She said the other breeder asked her to sign a contract which stated she can not sell the puppoies out of that champion to the public with full registration. So that basically means, I need to wait for another 6 month for my puppy. At this time, I already asked if I can have my deposit back, but she said the deposit is not refundable, and she was trying to ask me to purchase the puppy from her other females, which those puppies doesn't have the face I like. (Question 1: I thought the meaning of "deposit is not refundable" is only if the buyers decide not to take the puppy of their pick, but when the puppies of their pick is not available, the breeder should refund the deposit, is it??)

Anyways, so I have to continue waiting since she still have my $1000 deposit... for only one pup that was not born yet.

Later, my friend saw she has a champion sired female for sell as a breeder, and my friend would like to purchased her. So I thought maybe I can let my friend use my deposit, and she can pay me back. Therefore, I contacted the breeder again, and see if the would work out. She told me she can only let my friend use $500 out of my $1000 deposit, because she said this way, she won't lose the sell on the "upcoming litter".

Finally the breeding of my pick finally occured, and my puppy finally born. But it's a boy... there is a girl in the litter, but the breeder said she is keeping her. I don't want to continue to wait, so I decide to take the boy.

6wks after the puppies are born, the breeder contact me and ask me to pay in full for my boy. She said all of her other puppies' family had paid in full when their puppies are 8wks old, and she wants me to pay in full for my boy at 7wks old, because she said she will be away when my boy is 8wks old. At that time, she told me, she think the boy will be ready to go at 10wks old. So I go ahead and pay for my boy. But she never get back to me with the shipping detail, so I contacted her again when my boy is going to turn 10wks. Then she just told me she is not planning to ship him until he is 12wks old. I really don't mind the breeder keeping the puppy until he is 12wks old; I sometimes keep my own babies until 14wks old as well. But I really don't feel comfortable of paying the puppy in full when he is only 7wks old...?? I never ask any of my babies' new families to pay in full for their babies until the the babies are fully ready to leave me. (so Question 2: Is it right for breeder to ask the buyer to pay in full for the puppy before the puppy is reay to leave??)

Also, one thing I want to mention, this breeder said she is a show breeder, but she can never take a nice picture for her puppies. Most of her pictures are fuzzy and you can't really tell the face of the puppy. She always use her hand to hold the puppy's head up and high, and you can only see the nose... I had to ask her to retake the pictures, but she just never do a good job. (Question 3: is it normal for a show breeder that doesn't know how to take a picture??)

P.S. My friend who purchase the champion sired female told me the female is not breeding quality.. she has luxating patellas...!!

Sorry for so many question, but I really want to know if all these situation are right or not?? Or it's because I ask too much on a breeder??

Thank you so much for everybody's help

bjh · 07-26-2009, 04:21 PM

All I can say is what a mess. In my opinion you are dealing with someone that is very unreasonable and possibly unethical. If it were me I would probably take my $500 loss and go somewhere else, depending on how much she is charging for this pup. I definitely would not purchase without seeing some decent pictures. It is good that she will not ship until 12 weeks. I feel she should have gave you your deposit back. I will be interested in hearing what others have to say.

gabbriellew · 07-26-2009, 04:34 PM

does she show in AKC conformation shows? Is she a member of the YTCA? Have you talked to people that have gotten dogs from her before as to any health issues and so forth?
Are you planning to show this dog? Most show breeders will not sell with breeding rights to someone that is not going to champion the dog.

jackson25 · 07-26-2009, 07:36 PM

First of all WHAT a MESS! You should of been able to get your deposit back after she failed to sell you a puppy out of the first litter, the one you wanted. I would have never paid in full until he was able to be shipped your deposit should have been good enough. As far as photos, those can be tricky no matter who you are. Also, if you are looking for yorkies that you can breed, 7 weeks old is far to young for judging weather or not one can be breed. Most of the time, breeding yorkies are purchased between 7-10 months old. That way you will be able to make sure they are of breeding standards, and weight. Hope all works out for you!

Mary

Amazing Yorkies · 07-26-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh

All I can say is what a mess. In my opinion you are dealing with someone that is very unreasonable and possibly unethical. If it were me I would probably take my $500 loss and go somewhere else, depending on how much she is charging for this pup. I definitely would not purchase without seeing some decent pictures. It is good that she will not ship until 12 weeks. I feel she should have gave you your deposit back. I will be interested in hearing what others have to say.

I totally agree with unreasonable and possibly unethical! And now you've had to pay for a male after waiting 2 yrs for a female. Really sad!

Mardelin · 07-26-2009, 07:49 PM

What a mess.

The breeder you have picked doesn't sound Kosher.....

The deposit should have been refundable when the dog you picked was not available. And not her telling you what dog you're going to have. You wanted a girl not a boy. The only time it is not refundable is when the buyer changes their mind.

12 or more weeks is fine when selling a pet puppy. But, for a breeder to allow a breeding / show dog go, it shouldn't be until 7-10 months of age.

I don't know if you know this breeder on a personal level, but if not I just can't phanthom selling any of my pups on open registration to someone that I didn't know on a personal level and wasn't going to Champion my dog.

treasurebeauty · 07-26-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gabbriellew

does she show in AKC conformation shows? Is she a member of the YTCA? Have you talked to people that have gotten dogs from her before as to any health issues and so forth?
Are you planning to show this dog? Most show breeders will not sell with breeding rights to someone that is not going to champion the dog.

I don't think she is a member of YTCA, but after all these problem occured, I done some research on her, and found out there are also other people that has problem with her...

Right now, I am not even sure if I should keep the boy or not... I will have to wait until my vet comlete all the health exam on him before I made my decision.

But... I think she is selling her dog with open registration to everyone...

inabowbina · 07-26-2009, 10:15 PM

phew.. that is a mess. hope things work out for you. i would try and get my money back. she does not sound right to me.

Sookie · 07-27-2009, 07:02 AM

After all you went through she should have, at the very least, let you have the female and not kept it for herself. I would never want to settle for a male if my heart were set on a female and vice versa. I think she has been very unreasonable with you.

Robin Lodal · 07-29-2009, 12:23 AM

What a mess. I hope that you are able to work out some kind of agreement or get your money back.

treasurebeauty · 08-08-2009, 11:27 AM

I am very very disappointed!! I got my boy today, and guess what?! He is not even a show/breeding quality.

She told me I am going to get a yorkkie with short muzzle, small nice standing ears, short legs, and short back. And I get a puppy with long nose, long legs, long back, and big floppy ears!! She told me the puppy is chunky but I get a puppy that is huge, it's alot bigger than a discription of chunky. Plus, this puppy has a huge hernia on his belly!! Please!!! How can a show breeder sell a puppy with hernia for breeding, and she didn't even mentioned to me before at all!!!

I called her, and she didn't pick up. I already talk to my local AKC inspector, and I am very disappointed, and I don't think I will let her go with it.

itzzbarb · 08-08-2009, 11:54 AM

How very sad! I am so sorry this has happened to you. Please don't let this breeder off the hook. You can make a report with the Better Business Bureau in her county, and I would talk to the autorities to see if you have any options. Make notes, take good pictures of the hernia and other undesirable things, keep good records, and go after her. Oh yes, and save all emails between the 2 of you, print them out.

bjh · 08-08-2009, 11:55 AM

I am so sorry this bad breeder did this to you. Is there anyway you can post pictures of your pup? I know you are reluctant to say the breeders name but I really think you should post pictures and let everyone know who the breeder is. Have you talked to the breeder about getting your money back?

sapo1009 · 08-08-2009, 12:08 PM

I would have stuck with what I wanted, if she didnt give you what you gave a deposit for take her to small claims. Keep all you information that you have and for sure take pictures of the lil puppy. Tell her what you are going to do if she does not work with you. If she dont answer leave it on her machine, I bet she will call you back.
Good luck.

JeanieK · 08-08-2009, 12:39 PM

That is definitely unethecal and does not sound like a show breeder at all, IMO. I hope you are able to get it all sorted out, but it doesn't sound good at this point. She has the money, you have the dog, not likekly that she is going to buy him back.

07-26-2009, 03:23 PM	#1
treasurebeauty Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: La Jolla, CA, USA Posts: 47	Is this right to do?? (Oh~~~ I am so sad... I just finish typing a long post and click submit... the page asked me to log in again.. and everything I wrote disappeared....) Okie... so I guess I am going to make it short this time... I had found a breeder about 2yrs ago, she said she is a show breeder and is actived in the show. In her website, she has a nice champion, and all of her females are nice looking yorkie with nice bloodline. Therefore, I gave her two deposit of $500/each to be the pick of girls from the litter. I am very picky with the dogs, so I only want puppies from a certain breeding. By the time when the puppies of my pick was about 8wks old, she told me the puppies are too small for breeding, so she can not sell them to me. I totally agree, so I told her I don't mind waiting for the next litter of the same parents. Later, I saw she has a very nice imported female available for adoption, so I asked her if I can use one of my deposit on this beautiful imported female. She said okie, but she wants me to pay the total amount for the imported female, and she will let my $1000 deposit go to the balance of my puppy. I think so far it sounds good for me. Finally, the mommy of my pick was in heat, but she told me she is going to bred her with another breeder's champion, the number 1 yorkie in America. She said the other breeder asked her to sign a contract which stated she can not sell the puppoies out of that champion to the public with full registration. So that basically means, I need to wait for another 6 month for my puppy. At this time, I already asked if I can have my deposit back, but she said the deposit is not refundable, and she was trying to ask me to purchase the puppy from her other females, which those puppies doesn't have the face I like. (Question 1: I thought the meaning of "deposit is not refundable" is only if the buyers decide not to take the puppy of their pick, but when the puppies of their pick is not available, the breeder should refund the deposit, is it??) Anyways, so I have to continue waiting since she still have my $1000 deposit... for only one pup that was not born yet. Later, my friend saw she has a champion sired female for sell as a breeder, and my friend would like to purchased her. So I thought maybe I can let my friend use my deposit, and she can pay me back. Therefore, I contacted the breeder again, and see if the would work out. She told me she can only let my friend use $500 out of my $1000 deposit, because she said this way, she won't lose the sell on the "upcoming litter". Finally the breeding of my pick finally occured, and my puppy finally born. But it's a boy... there is a girl in the litter, but the breeder said she is keeping her. I don't want to continue to wait, so I decide to take the boy. 6wks after the puppies are born, the breeder contact me and ask me to pay in full for my boy. She said all of her other puppies' family had paid in full when their puppies are 8wks old, and she wants me to pay in full for my boy at 7wks old, because she said she will be away when my boy is 8wks old. At that time, she told me, she think the boy will be ready to go at 10wks old. So I go ahead and pay for my boy. But she never get back to me with the shipping detail, so I contacted her again when my boy is going to turn 10wks. Then she just told me she is not planning to ship him until he is 12wks old. I really don't mind the breeder keeping the puppy until he is 12wks old; I sometimes keep my own babies until 14wks old as well. But I really don't feel comfortable of paying the puppy in full when he is only 7wks old...?? I never ask any of my babies' new families to pay in full for their babies until the the babies are fully ready to leave me. (so Question 2: Is it right for breeder to ask the buyer to pay in full for the puppy before the puppy is reay to leave??) Also, one thing I want to mention, this breeder said she is a show breeder, but she can never take a nice picture for her puppies. Most of her pictures are fuzzy and you can't really tell the face of the puppy. She always use her hand to hold the puppy's head up and high, and you can only see the nose... I had to ask her to retake the pictures, but she just never do a good job. (Question 3: is it normal for a show breeder that doesn't know how to take a picture??) P.S. My friend who purchase the champion sired female told me the female is not breeding quality.. she has luxating patellas...!! Sorry for so many question, but I really want to know if all these situation are right or not?? Or it's because I ask too much on a breeder?? Thank you so much for everybody's help

07-26-2009, 04:34 PM	#3
gabbriellew Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 47	does she show in AKC conformation shows? Is she a member of the YTCA? Have you talked to people that have gotten dogs from her before as to any health issues and so forth? Are you planning to show this dog? Most show breeders will not sell with breeding rights to someone that is not going to champion the dog. __________________ MsChif Yorkshire Terriers

07-26-2009, 07:49 PM	#6
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	What a mess. The breeder you have picked doesn't sound Kosher..... The deposit should have been refundable when the dog you picked was not available. And not her telling you what dog you're going to have. You wanted a girl not a boy. The only time it is not refundable is when the buyer changes their mind. 12 or more weeks is fine when selling a pet puppy. But, for a breeder to allow a breeding / show dog go, it shouldn't be until 7-10 months of age. I don't know if you know this breeder on a personal level, but if not I just can't phanthom selling any of my pups on open registration to someone that I didn't know on a personal level and wasn't going to Champion my dog. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

07-27-2009, 07:02 AM	#9
Sookie My Four Sweet Babies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South Jersey near Philadelphia Posts: 5,452	After all you went through she should have, at the very least, let you have the female and not kept it for herself. I would never want to settle for a male if my heart were set on a female and vice versa. I think she has been very unreasonable with you. __________________ I LOVE MY BABIES

07-29-2009, 12:23 AM	#10
Robin Lodal ♥ Love My Furbabies ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: East of the Mississippi River! ;) Posts: 2,183	What a mess. I hope that you are able to work out some kind of agreement or get your money back. __________________ ~ Robin ,Max, Molly, Dozer& kitties, Toby & Lucy RIP - Ginger, Abby, Conway, &Simon

07-26-2009, 04:21 PM	#2
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	All I can say is what a mess. In my opinion you are dealing with someone that is very unreasonable and possibly unethical. If it were me I would probably take my $500 loss and go somewhere else, depending on how much she is charging for this pup. I definitely would not purchase without seeing some decent pictures. It is good that she will not ship until 12 weeks. I feel she should have gave you your deposit back. I will be interested in hearing what others have to say.

07-26-2009, 07:36 PM	#4
jackson25 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Quincy, IL Posts: 3,668	First of all WHAT a MESS! You should of been able to get your deposit back after she failed to sell you a puppy out of the first litter, the one you wanted. I would have never paid in full until he was able to be shipped your deposit should have been good enough. As far as photos, those can be tricky no matter who you are. Also, if you are looking for yorkies that you can breed, 7 weeks old is far to young for judging weather or not one can be breed. Most of the time, breeding yorkies are purchased between 7-10 months old. That way you will be able to make sure they are of breeding standards, and weight. Hope all works out for you! Mary

07-26-2009, 10:15 PM	#8
inabowbina YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: illinois Posts: 253 Blog Entries: 3	phew.. that is a mess. hope things work out for you. i would try and get my money back. she does not sound right to me.

08-08-2009, 11:27 AM	#11
treasurebeauty Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: La Jolla, CA, USA Posts: 47	I am so disappointed!! I am very very disappointed!! I got my boy today, and guess what?! He is not even a show/breeding quality. She told me I am going to get a yorkkie with short muzzle, small nice standing ears, short legs, and short back. And I get a puppy with long nose, long legs, long back, and big floppy ears!! She told me the puppy is chunky but I get a puppy that is huge, it's alot bigger than a discription of chunky. Plus, this puppy has a huge hernia on his belly!! Please!!! How can a show breeder sell a puppy with hernia for breeding, and she didn't even mentioned to me before at all!!! I called her, and she didn't pick up. I already talk to my local AKC inspector, and I am very disappointed, and I don't think I will let her go with it.

08-08-2009, 11:54 AM	#12
itzzbarb YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 553	How very sad! I am so sorry this has happened to you. Please don't let this breeder off the hook. You can make a report with the Better Business Bureau in her county, and I would talk to the autorities to see if you have any options. Make notes, take good pictures of the hernia and other undesirable things, keep good records, and go after her. Oh yes, and save all emails between the 2 of you, print them out. __________________ Andy Jillie

08-08-2009, 11:55 AM	#13
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	I am so sorry this bad breeder did this to you. Is there anyway you can post pictures of your pup? I know you are reluctant to say the breeders name but I really think you should post pictures and let everyone know who the breeder is. Have you talked to the breeder about getting your money back?

08-08-2009, 12:08 PM	#14
sapo1009 YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MI Posts: 322	I would have stuck with what I wanted, if she didnt give you what you gave a deposit for take her to small claims. Keep all you information that you have and for sure take pictures of the lil puppy. Tell her what you are going to do if she does not work with you. If she dont answer leave it on her machine, I bet she will call you back. Good luck.

08-08-2009, 12:39 PM	#15
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	That is definitely unethecal and does not sound like a show breeder at all, IMO. I hope you are able to get it all sorted out, but it doesn't sound good at this point. She has the money, you have the dog, not likekly that she is going to buy him back.