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03-05-2009, 01:44 PM | #1 |
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| USDA Breeder List This is a list of breeders who breed for volume and in many cases for pet shops. They are to follow all requirements of the United States Department of Agriculture and the AWA. http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...rt_holders.pdf
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03-05-2009, 02:20 PM | #2 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | WOW, SIXTY TWO pages!!! Also, as related to the other conversation on the Indiana Bill thread - check out the Grabers (repeat offenders) in Indiana - and their "PO Box" address. This was another huge complaint against them bc when the Grabers found out they were going to possibly be investigated, they apparently changed their address and ALL THEIR ASSOCIATED Mill addresses to a PO Box (PO Box 44) with the USDA so that no one could find the actual physical addresses of the Mills. Note how many other folks on the USDA Indiana list have their addresses listed as "PO Box 44" in Indiana. How can a PO Box be investigated to make sure they're following USDA standards? And btw, I am *not* in any way bashing Indiana - it's just that the subject of the Grabers came up in the Indiana Thread - and now folks can see for themselves. And how about the "Rabers" w/ the same PO Box....very odd.
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03-05-2009, 02:28 PM | #3 | |
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I do not think that just because someone is commercial breeder, you should automatically think, puppy mill, but it would mean that you should visit the kennels in person, and if that's not possible, I would avoid the breeder.
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03-05-2009, 02:38 PM | #4 | |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Quote:
Like you said, I also don't think everyone who is a "commercial" breeder can be tossed in w/ Millers.
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03-05-2009, 02:51 PM | #5 |
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| I posted this list in hopes it could become a sticky for people to check out. Here is how some of the states break down for USDA breeders: Missouri 1614 Oklahoma 575 Iowa 457 Kansas 428 Arkansas 345 Pennsylvania 247 Texas 208 Ohio 188 Nebraska 156 Indiana 119 South Dakora 109 Minnesota 104 Wisconsin 94 I realize all USDA breeders might not be bad but having worked with animals that are abused or have had no interaction with humans (puppy mill in AZ) I completely disagree with volume breeders. I believe that animals react just like human children do that do not have interaction at a young age. I also don't believe we need a surplus of over 3-5 million animals a year that are euthanized.
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03-05-2009, 03:01 PM | #6 |
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| This is the other part that really bothers me about USDA: What compliance means with the AWA It’s important to note exactly what inspectors are looking for when they arrive at a USDA licensed kennel. Their job is to make sure breeders are adhering to the minimum standards set forth by the Animal Welfare Act (AWA). They can look at a facility with hundreds of dogs in small cages, desperate for human attention, and note no violations. That’s because the AWA does nothing to ensure dogs are happy, or live a quality life. It’s not written into the regulations, and therefore is not something the USDA enforces. Here are some quick facts about the minimum standards set forth by the USDA: -Inspections are “Risk-based,” meaning that facilities that meet a certain criteria are inspected “as seldom as once every 2 to 3 years.” (source) -Cage size: must be 6 inches larger than the size of the dog, on all sides -Up to 12 dogs can be housed in one cage -Dogs never have to be let out of their cages. Breeders only need to have an exercise plan -There is no limit to the number dogs a breeder can have—many have over 1,000 -There is no age limit for breeding dogs. If a dog is able to produce puppies for ten years, that’s how long they could be in the facility
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03-05-2009, 03:04 PM | #7 |
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| this is awesome, but I have been researching my male's dam's line and it is from ohio, but I don't see anything and all of my googling has come up with sketchy results. Very interesting.
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03-05-2009, 03:11 PM | #8 | |
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These "minimum standards" to me = CRUELTY. So, we have PO Boxes for Mill addresses and unacceptable minimum standards. Lose Lose situation.
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03-05-2009, 03:26 PM | #9 | |
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I totally agree. I think the word is getting out to the public (not as fast as I would like) but people are finally starting to turn some of these people in. I couldn't believe the AZ bust where a woman still bought a dog from the people that had over 700 animals living in a trailer and it took the vet to convince the woman to turn them in. I will never understand people who cannot see the cruelty in all of this. I am not against breeding or AKC but I think people need to see the big picture of the whole thing. A couple of years ago a study was done that showed the animal industry was a $94 billion dollar industry. Lots of humans are making $$$ off the backs of their animals. Someone has to speak out for the animals....5 million euthanized every year is not acceptable to me.
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03-05-2009, 03:30 PM | #10 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Well after reading the Indiana thread, it seems that all the breeders who posted believe that it's better to change the USDA rules, than individual state laws. I wonder if that's really true? Or if we'll just be hearing, "I hate federal government trying to legislate local laws, and federal government should let states handle their own business."
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03-05-2009, 05:39 PM | #11 | |
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More involved than the article that was pasted in in a previous post let's on. They can be changed by the USDA, it would not take a new federal bill to change them as they are part of the code of federal regulations. That would most likely be a much faster way of making the changes that you believe are necessary. | |
03-05-2009, 05:42 PM | #12 | |
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03-05-2009, 05:43 PM | #13 |
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| Alot of AKC show breeders are going to PO boxes so that peta,hsus and ar fanatics cant find where they live. AKC is fine with that, but if they want to inspect, they will call you or write you a letter and you better let them know where you live or your AKC privledges will be taken away until you do. Is there any recourse that usda has when a usda breeder will not let them inspect?
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03-05-2009, 06:16 PM | #14 |
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| I see one of the breeders I bought a dog from is on that list, from Neb. My dog has serious health issues with seizures and is my biggest dog, the only over weight dog I have ever owned. I wish I would have known about this site before I bought her, but we love her very much and she will always have a home here with us. |
03-05-2009, 06:25 PM | #15 |
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