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Old 10-17-2008, 10:58 AM   #1
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Default Spaying-when is it best for puppy?

My Maggie May is 6 mos old and I have a question as to the best time to have her spayed.

Both my vet and I believe that the earlier the better. I've read that there is zero chance of mammary cancer and other health issues if done prior to first heat. Other the other hand I have also read about and have been told that waiting may be better due to growth and development of the pup.

What do you think is the best for the pup. I have no intention of breeding. My male has been neutered. My concern is for Maggie's welfare and what is the best for her. At Maggie's last vet visit (Sept) she was 3 lbs.

Your thoughts and advice will be greatly appreciated.

I am posting in this section since breeders have more knowledge and expertise with these matters and I wanting to make the best decision. Thanks.
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I think Tricksie was 6 months, she got along wonderful.
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We had Mandy spayed just after she turned 6 months... it all went well. This was the time that the vet suggested. But she was 5 lbs not as tiny as your little one.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:40 AM   #4
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As a breeder what would be your recommendation, early, or later?
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I have always (and only) heard that it is best to have the spay done before the pups first heat cycle. I have never heard or read anything contrary to this.....I would be interested to know how it would be better for the growth & development of the pup to wait Where did you read this...is there a link you could post about it?

Going by the "spay before first heat" ........ any dog I've ever had or known and were spayed during that time frame all grew up healthy and well, so I guess I'd vote to stick with that route until proven otherwise.
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hello, i am not a breeder, but i just wanted to wish you good luck, because i know you must be nervous about your baby's spay procedure. my baby milu just got spayed last week, and i was so crazy worried about her. (she is 7 months old, and she weighed 2.6lbs)

everything went well with the surgery, and she is doing fine now. I am really happy that it's done with.

let me know if you have any questions that i might be able to answer for you. good luck!
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I think Tricksie was 6 months, she got along wonderful.
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We had Mandy spayed just after she turned 6 months... it all went well. This was the time that the vet suggested. But she was 5 lbs not as tiny as your little one.

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hello, i am not a breeder, but i just wanted to wish you good luck, because i know you must be nervous about your baby's spay procedure. my baby milu just got spayed last week, and i was so crazy worried about her. (she is 7 months old, and she weighed 2.6lbs)

everything went well with the surgery, and she is doing fine now. I am really happy that it's done with.

let me know if you have any questions that i might be able to answer for you. good luck!
Thank you all for your responses. I am very glad that all of your babies are doing well after their surgeries. Both my vet and I are in agreement that Maggie is probably ready for spaying but her breeder is saying that she should wait at least 15 mos so I am wondering what others thought. B.
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what's the reasoning for waiting till 15 months? did the breeder say?
i had milu spayed at 7 months because i didn't want to deal with her going into heat. i want to be able to take her out to continue her socialization with other dogs. (she likes people more, she thinks she is a person, not a dog. so i take her to play with other dogs to remind her. lol)
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what's the reasoning for waiting till 15 months? did the breeder say?
i had milu spayed at 7 months because i didn't want to deal with her going into heat. i want to be able to take her out to continue her socialization with other dogs. (she likes people more, she thinks she is a person, not a dog. so i take her to play with other dogs to remind her. lol)
Sorry, here is another thread that I started on this subject.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...rly-later.html

From what I can gather, Maggie's breeder believes there are health reasons for waiting. But on the other hand, the vet has talked with me about the advantages of spaying earlier. I tend to agree with these reasons and I have had other animals and spayed as early as I was able. My cats went into heat just as they were being scheduled to be done. My first cat was actually spayed at the tail end of her heat and the second cat just after. I missed by literally 2 weeks of their appts. Soooo, anyhow, that is the reasoning for this thread...advantages or disadvantages.
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i know it's a tough decision trying to figure out when is the best time to spay. i did a bit of research and reading, and it seems like the more i researched and asked around, the less i knew what the best thing to do was. since there are advantages/disadvantages to whatever you decide to do. so i just made the decision to do it earlier since i loved her personality, and thought that maybe her personality might change if i wait till she is older to spay her. ( i didn't know when she would go in heat either)

i ended up basing my decision on my gut feeling, because there are so many different things to consider, and i was getting confused by all the stuff i was reading.

another thing you might consider is that if she is older, maybe her 'parts' are bigger, and it would have to be a bigger cut? (this is just my guess, not anything i read) i just compared it to humans, i feel that surgeries on little people (young kids) always seems to be less traumatic than surgeries on older, bigger people. it seems that they bounce back faster.

just my thoughts good luck!
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PHYSICALLY IT IS BEST TO SPAY/NEUTER YOUR DOG AFTER 12 MONTHS OF AGE, IDEALLY AROUND 16-18 MONTHS OF AGE.

The reasons for this is so that the growth plates have had a chance to come closer together.

I have a link for all to read on the studies done regarding this, even by the American Veterinary Medical Association, but I'm in Kentucky attending a dog show atm and don't have the link handy on my laptop.

I'll try to get it posted up here so everyone can become better informed on more current veterinary medicine and it's practices.

The only real downside to waiting to spay your bitch until about 16-18 months is that she will likely go through one heat cycle if not two. That has NOTHING to do with the benefits of waiting, it has everything to do with allowing the body to mature before spaying, which will NOT happen once the dog is spayed. It slows the process prematurely and stunts it.
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PHYSICALLY IT IS BEST TO SPAY/NEUTER YOUR DOG AFTER 12 MONTHS OF AGE, IDEALLY AROUND 16-18 MONTHS OF AGE.

The reasons for this is so that the growth plates have had a chance to come closer together.

I have a link for all to read on the studies done regarding this, even by the American Veterinary Medical Association, but I'm in Kentucky attending a dog show atm and don't have the link handy on my laptop.

I'll try to get it posted up here so everyone can become better informed on more current veterinary medicine and it's practices.

The only real downside to waiting to spay your bitch until about 16-18 months is that she will likely go through one heat cycle if not two. That has NOTHING to do with the benefits of waiting, it has everything to do with allowing the body to mature before spaying, which will NOT happen once the dog is spayed. It slows the process prematurely and stunts it.
But, if you are not looking to breed anyway, does waiting to spay offer any health benefit? Understanding that development may be affected such as growth, will this outweigh the chances for mammary cancer? Just asking to be better informed, thanks!
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The veterinary community is in general agreement that early spaying is the best:

The risk of malignant mammary tumors in dogs spayed prior to their first heat is 0.05%. It is 8% for dog spayed after one heat, and 26% in dogs spayed after their second heat.

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This article explains the pros and cons of early spaying and neutering:
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf
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Here's some info I found . It's from a breeder's website but isn't the breeder's words. The work is referenced so I would suppose it could be verified. Anyway, here it is....(written by Pam Davol, a noted research scientist and a genetic expert)


"Owners who are considering neutering need to take all factors into consideration, not simply the benefits of neutering when making a decision as to when to neuter.
If one looks close enough, one will find that neutering is one of those topics in veterinary medicine that is extremely biased: that is, most often one will find more emphasis placed on the pros of neutering with more often than not, very little or no discussion of the cons. Veterinarians, and responsible breeders as well, face a true dilemma when discussing neutering. The overpopulation crisis presents a very real concern with regard to the necessity of ownership responsibility. Prepubertal/early neutering or required neutering provides a means for vets/breeders to enforce owner responsibility by ensuring surgical sterilization of dogs not destined to be used in breeding programs. Again, this enforced neutering is typically presented along with a preamble of all the benefits that go along with neutering. However, I believe that breeders, if not veterinarians, need to begin questioning the ethics of this approach to prompt or require owners to neuter; especially in light of the facts that early neutering may not be as benign a process to the health of a dog as one would believe.
Yes, neutering prior to the beginning of estrus does reduce risk for mammary cancer in females, but it also significantly increases risk for urinary incontinence in bitches which predisposes these bitches to diethylstilbestrol (DES) dependency (Stocklin-Gautschi et al., J. Reprod. Fertile. Suppl. 57:233-6, 2001 and many other references)--in some instances, DES is not effective at controlling incontinence and will force some owners to elect euthanasia. Though with lesser risk compared to females, early neutering also increases risk of urethral sphincter incontinence in males (A. Aaron et al., Vet Rec. 139:542-6, 1996.)
With regard to cancer, spayed females have a 4 times greater risk for developing cardiac hemangiosarcomas (vascular tumors) compared to intact females (neutered males also show a significant increase in risk for these tumors compared to intact males) (Ware and Hysper, J. Vet. Intern. Med. 13:95-103, 1999.). Additionally, both neutered males and females have a 2-fold greater risk for developing bone tumors (osteosarcoma) compared to intact males and females (Ru et al., Vet J. 156:31-9, 1998.).
Some evidence suggests that early neutering may also predispose to endocrine disorders later in life (Panciera DL. J. Am. Vet. Med. Assoc., 204:761-7 1994.). Furthermore, there is also an indication that early neutering (because absence of sex hormones delays maturation of osteoclasts and thus results in delayed closing of the growth plates in the long-bones) may predispose to increased risk for various orthopedic disorders (such as cruciate ligament disease as I had mentioned in a previous post). Also, some evidence suggests that there is a correlation between increased time for growth plate closure and incidence of HD in Labs (Todhunter et al. J. Am. Vet Assoc., 1997).
If one conducted a research of the literature on the detrimental effects on physiological development associated with sex hormone deficiencies during adolescent development in any other species other than the dog and cat, one will find a wealth of literature stressing the importance of sex hormones for sound physiological, endocrine and metabolic development. Additionally, if one examines the scientific research that reports the benefits of early neutering in absence of any side-effects in dogs, one will discover that the methodology of these studies are designed in very specific ways to assure that outcome in neutering is presented in a favorable light (this does not mean that the data is biased, this simply means that the comparisons made do not provide for adequate interpretation of long-term effects of neutering).
In light of this, though it is understandable for vets/breeders to urge dog owners to neuter their pets early with regard to the greater good (i.e. reducing risk of accidental breeding), the physiological soundness of the individual dog should take precedence over any other issues. As such, it is my opinion, based upon the literature that I have reviewed that to reduce risks to physiological soundness, etc, that I am of the personal opinion that dogs should be a minimum of 1 year of age before neutering" ....Here's the link the info's from..ABOUT EARLY SPAY AND NEUTER
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