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Old 11-04-2006, 07:33 AM   #91
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okay this maybe seem stupid BUT wy do they need to go off post? cant people just stick w/ what the ad was? instead of making a big deal about her selling yorkie puppies BUT also having otherr breeds. she never advertised them. she came on here w/ the intentsion of posting yorkies, and talking about yorkies, why cant we just welcome people be polite and not give people reason to not post and not have a place to meet and speak about yorkies.
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i could care less about deleted post but some peolple here on YT are rude regardless of what anyone thinks.I am not agreeing with it but yes this person may have bred yorkies who are not standard they are not the first person to do so and definitely wont be the last. I bet there are people here that have bought a yorkie who's parents were not standard. So just let it be some people like the bigger yorkies I have read people say so myself.
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tammy8833, it was brought up because the more breeds of dogs a breeder has means they are trying to make as much profit as they can. They're not the breeder out there who cares about the actual type of dog they are breeding, they're in it for money only.

It doesn't mean they don't take good care of their dogs, it's just that MOST likely their dogs are taking care of them. I'm not saying it's wrong nor right just that it's important to some people. It does matter to certain buyers so it's extremely helpful that it was brought up that she has other breeds for sale(I wouldn't buy from her for that reason). So, it's actually not off topic.

For a lot of people, it really doesn't matter to them. Those are the buyers who will be happy with their puppy from this seller.

EVERY puppy deserves a good home, especially if they're already born. I just am not happy when I see someone selling tons of puppies(doesn't matter if it's one breed or many breeds). These puppies will end up with someone who loves them no matter what.
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tammy8833, it was brought up because the more breeds of dogs a breeder has means they are trying to make as much profit as they can. They're not the breeder out there who cares about the actual type of dog they are breeding, they're in it for money only.

It doesn't mean they don't take good care of their dogs, it's just that MOST likely their dogs are taking care of them. I'm not saying it's wrong nor right just that it's important to some people. It does matter to certain buyers so it's extremely helpful that it was brought up that she has other breeds for sale(I wouldn't buy from her for that reason). So, it's actually not off topic.

For a lot of people, it really doesn't matter to them. Those are the buyers who will be happy with their puppy from this seller.

EVERY puppy deserves a good home, especially if they're already born. I just am not happy when I see someone selling tons of puppies(doesn't matter if it's one breed or many breeds). These puppies will end up with someone who loves them no matter what.
Exactly and if you are buying a puppy this is important information. You want to know how many breeds, how many dogs are being bred, how many puppies being produced, how are they sold. How much does the breeder know about the breed? Can they tell you everything about the breed, how to care for your puppy, be available 24/ 7 for the new owner to contact them if there is a question or sick puppy.
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Do you know a lady by the name of Mrs. Peacock by any chance?
Who is Mrs Peacock?
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okay this maybe seem stupid BUT wy do they need to go off post? cant people just stick w/ what the ad was? instead of making a big deal about her selling yorkie puppies BUT also having otherr breeds. she never advertised them. she came on here w/ the intentsion of posting yorkies, and talking about yorkies, why cant we just welcome people be polite and not give people reason to not post and not have a place to meet and speak about yorkies.
Although I have only been a member of YT for a few months, I definitely feel that the people on here are polite and do make the people that come here to talk about Yorkies or ask for help feel very welcome. They also try to help people that come here possibly looking for a Yorkie by guiding them in the right direction and letting them know what to look for and what to avoid. No one is going to come on here and advertise they are a puppy mill or broker, (not saying that this is the case here), and I think prospective owners appreciate being advised to any to any information, good or bad of someone who does advertise here. And, as I stated earlier, the sire and dam of these puppies do look much larger than advertised. Maybe the guy in the picture is just smaller.
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oh yes. Thanks for saying that so nicely -

we seem to be going in the wrong direction sometimes - people SHARE what they see on websites. If it happens to be negative - that's their RIGHT to say but people seem to think it's bashing -

If it's positive.... all seems well - but many times ...the red flags are still there. If the people who spot the red flags DON'T speak up - how is that helping those who are just starting to learn what to look for in the breed and the people who sell to them ?

Personally - I welcome all comments - if someone post their dogs for sale on the net - then they should be ready for the scrutiny both good and bad.
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okay this maybe seem stupid BUT wy do they need to go off post? cant people just stick w/ what the ad was? instead of making a big deal about her selling yorkie puppies BUT also having otherr breeds. she never advertised them. she came on here w/ the intentsion of posting yorkies, and talking about yorkies, why cant we just welcome people be polite and not give people reason to not post and not have a place to meet and speak about yorkies.
I think this is one of the best reasons in the world. Hopefully this link will work. This story is not about Yorkies but can be about any breed on the Internet.
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....78168cc9.html
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Photos can be very deceiving as to the size of the puppies and dogs. I agree with the poster who said it is a good idea to place a soda can or a package of cigarettes or something we can all identify with the dog. I've seen some 3# dogs look like they were 10# in a picture; and that they were positively huge in the photo.
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I think this is one of the best reasons in the world. Hopefully this link will work. This story is not about Yorkies but can be about any breed on the Internet.
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....78168cc9.html
Having been a stupid victim of not 1 but 2 internet Yorkie scams, I totally agree with the above post. The Internet has allowed "breeders, brokers and puppy mill pups" to thrive. With legit breeders this is a good thing, but with unscruplous breeders, brokers and puppy mills, the internet has only aided in their growth and profits.
The internet has opened many widows of opportunity for puppy sales. As a buyer, it is often hard or even impossible to detect a breeder who may be less than ethical. Or someone that is not even a breeder, but a dog broker.
In Pa., the other day there was a fire that destroyed a very large kennel and almost all of their dogs and puppies. This kennel had several hundred dogs, the majority of the dogs/puppies were AKC Yorkies and several held very high AKC competition medals for Best In Show. I was shocked when I heard how many dogs they had, and even more shocked when they showed the kennels on the news. Yes, the kennels were shabbily heated, which is what may have caused the fire. The kennels were either cinder block garages or wooden shacks. The interior of the kennels was not shown on the news, however from the outside they did not look like anything I would want my babies living in! And this is/was a reputable kennel with several AKC champions that were being shown and breed. And their Yorkie puppies being sold for premium prices because of their championship heritage.
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Having been a stupid victim of not 1 but 2 internet Yorkie scams, I totally agree with the above post. The Internet has allowed "breeders, brokers and puppy mill pups" to thrive. With legit breeders this is a good thing, but with unscruplous breeders, brokers and puppy mills, the internet has only aided in their growth and profits.
The internet has opened many widows of opportunity for puppy sales. As a buyer, it is often hard or even impossible to detect a breeder who may be less than ethical. Or someone that is not even a breeder, but a dog broker.
In Pa., the other day there was a fire that destroyed a very large kennel and almost all of their dogs and puppies. This kennel had several hundred dogs, the majority of the dogs/puppies were AKC Yorkies and several held very high AKC competition medals for Best In Show. I was shocked when I heard how many dogs they had, and even more shocked when they showed the kennels on the news. Yes, the kennels were shabbily heated, which is what may have caused the fire. The kennels were either cinder block garages or wooden shacks. The interior of the kennels was not shown on the news, however from the outside they did not look like anything I would want my babies living in! And this is/was a reputable kennel with several AKC champions that were being shown and breed. And their Yorkie puppies being sold for premium prices because of their championship heritage.
Scary isn't it. The ONLY way to know for sure is to make an appt to go visit the breeder and insist on seeing how the dogs are kept. Anyone can appear to be anything but having a pup shipped to the buyer, hides anything that isn't wanted to be known.
I see it from both sides, I want to interview and meet any prospective buyer before I sell a puppy to them AND I want them here once and IF they get through that initial interview. I won't ship.
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my goodness!! why in the world are fellow yt members basically attacking this person for posting an ad for puppies!! what difference does it make how many different breeds she breeds?? some people like the dang mixes.i understand this is a yorkie forum, but that is what she posted, not the mixes the yorkies!! lordy i wish people would get over it, already there will always be mixed breeds there will always be breeders breeding mixed breeds and there will always be customers for mixed breed, why attack her, maybe she CAN care for all of them properly maybe she has help taking care of them know one knows but her. and havent some mixed breeds been recongized by akc and ckc? how do we get these "purebred"? by mixing!! duh!! maybe im wrong i didnt read all of this but all i saw was some people ripping this person up. if you dont what those kind of dogs dont worry about it!! dont waste your time here on earth judging everyone else life, just love yours!!

sorry i hope i wasnt out of line to much!! im usually quiet and if it doesnt affect me i let it pass but i saw where peoples replies had been deleted and that cant be good news and i saw the replies where people were just RUDE and i dont believe it has to be that way!
I was thinking the same thing Maybe this forum can make some kind of way for members to back up the credibility of the people who breed and post here so that they stick out in this section of the forum.

Also I think its horrible for people to just down right attack people that dont know on a forum. especially when they have already posted whats required. I think what should have been done is ask questions in a respectful way and let her give answers. I think the digging up dirt thing was a lil too much. I felt like she was on trial

I know i am new but this is one reason why i came in and read post for a month and didnt say anything. I was scared i would say the wrong thing and get jumped on u know. Noone should feel that way. I run a forum with kids and i expect this from them, not from adults. just give her a chance.

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I can see if this lady came in and told straight lies but she gave enough information for you to investigate further yourself.
I read about puppy scams online and didnt belive them. I decided to check this add out and see if it was what i thought a scam i was waiting for this person to ask me to semd money to western union....
this is a scam:

Thanks for your interest in my Yorkie Puppy.

My name is Michael Wilson, I am happily married with two kids, Mary and ruth. and my wife Jennifer.We are Located in Palm Coast, Florida I and my wife are members of Dogs Club.

My lil Yorkie (princess) is just 8 weeks she weighs 2lbs now and when fully grown she will get to 5lbs.This Lil Treasure is akc registered,potty trained and she is a tiny teacup yorkie.she is up to date on her vacination. she have been vet checked and dewormed. she is mild mannered puppy and ready to make someone's Xmas extra special! She comes with AKC Full Registration papers, Health Certificate, Health Guarrantee, travel crate, and vet exam.she has a nice square body. Her hair coat is very nice and she has a cuddly personality.This baby girl will be only 5lbs lbs at maturity.she is indeed a Bunch of Joy, She will be coming with her dogbed, all her documents, 1 year health Guarantee from VET.

She run of the kitchen at different times and are put down for naps just like babies. she do need to rest at various times of the day,she is well socialized with kids and cats and will be your friend if you are the playful type,she just simply love lots of attention.

I and my wife would love adopt her out because me and my family has been transferred for a Red cross program so we cannot take her along with us because we wont have time to take care of her.

You can come and Pick her up if you are close to Palm Coast, Florida or i can have her shipped to you.I will be shipping her with all her stuffs, like her dogbed,crate collar,AKCregisteration paper,written health guarentee,vet records,shots and wormings appropriate for her age,puppy care pack, copies of pedigree,her teddybear and 2 pack of her bornemeal. she will be fed and taken very good care. she will be delivered to your home address in a pet carrier and you should have no worries about her being shipped.

If you prefer to come pick her up your self that will be Great, just email me time and date you will come so i can prepare her with all her stuffs like her dogbed,crate collar, certified health certificates,complete vaccination and worming records,AKC registration certificate,rabies shots,USDA papers and she one year health guarantee,a puppy pack including sample food she has been eating, a tube of nutri-calthay and also her Teddybear.she is both potty trained with excellent temperament

I am willing to give princess to you for $250 and if you want me ship her to your home then it will cost an additional $50.

I am not after the money as i want princess to get into a home where she will get all the love and care she desires.

I will also want you to promise me you will be sending me pictures of princess from time to time to know how she is doing.

Thanks,

Michael and Jennifer Wilson



Hello Quinée,

Thanks for your response and i must confess we feel over whelmed getting to know you are willing to give princess all the love and care she desires which matters most to us.

I and my wife has made up our mind to ship princess to you first thing tomorow morning and i will make all arrangements for her being shipped directly to your home as i feel more confortable doing so because i will not want her scared of the crowd at the airport.

We sure will be missing princess as she is a treasure a pet loving home will ever want but we are trusting she will be loved in your home.

I can have princess shipped to you first thing in the morning and you should be receiving her on or before 2:00pm (I sure will email you neccessary details u need)

I will also be more excited to read from you telling me you received her as i can assure you will fall inlove with princess the minute you receive her.

What you need to do now is to make the payment through western union money transfer to my wife.

Making a western union payment is very easy, just go to any of their outlet or grocery store near you pick up a form and fill it with the informations below.

Name: Jennifer Wilson
City: Palm Coast
State: Florida
Zip Code: 32173
Country: Usa

Amount:$300


After sending the money. email me the MTCN#(money transfer control and the senders name and address to enable me prepare her for shippment and have her shipped firsthing tomorrow morning.

You will definately be receving our little cutie tomorrow on or before 2pm. After shipping her, i will scan and send to you the shippment invoice.

Kindly Get back to me with your full name and address where princess will be delivered to.

Thanks,

Wilson Family.


my reply:
Can u answer the questions in my email. DO u have a Florida number I can call. Can you send me verification of all documentation on the dog? I need ur information because my friend in florida can pick up the dog instead



Hi,

My phone number is 386 627 9216.


Thanks

please someone^^^try to call that number lol

my reply:
The number you sent me is wrong or disconnected. I changed my mind. I dont feel comfortable dealing with you. I am sorry. I much rather do any transaction through paypal. or some secure network. Also, you have not sent me any documentation verifying the dog is akc or has its shots, you can do that with an email . Its also very easy to take a picture of yourself with the dog and a sign that says the time and date for verification the the puppy is ok. Everytime i ask you for information you seem more like ur trying to say big words and scam me and not give me the information i need to make a decision. This morning you sent me an email as if i said yes to the deal already, i never said yes becausei was only inquiring about information. Do you have a real phone number so we can discuss this before i make a decision. If i can call you I wont do this.

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I was thinking the same thing Maybe this forum can make some kind of way for members to back up the credibility of the people who breed and post here so that they stick out in this section of the forum.

Also I think its horrible for people to just down right attack people that dont know on a forum. especially when they have already posted whats required. I think what should have been done is ask questions in a respectful way and let her give answers. I think the digging up dirt thing was a lil too much. I felt like she was on trial

I know i am new but this is one reason why i came in and read post for a month and didnt say anything. I was scared i would say the wrong thing and get jumped on u know. Noone should feel that way. I run a forum with kids and i expect this from them, not from adults. just give her a chance.

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Hmmmmmmmmmm "digging up dirt thing was a lil too much" if I quote you right. So the right thing to do is not check out a breeder advertising on the Internet, don't find out if they are a puppymill or broker, don't find out how many breeds they have, don't let anyone else know what you might know as I and others who see red flags, know what to look for but heaven forbid, don't tell anyone, and let some unsuspecting buyer buy without being informed. Because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings?
Interesting concept.
And how many posts are on this forum again from people who didn't know, bought uninformed via the Internet or whatever mode they bought, and now have problems?
Nice to know ALL puppy buyers must be happy with how their breeder dealt with them when they bought off the Internet. Perhaps not?
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