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candybaby · 10-12-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RLC12345678

Look, different strokes for different folks. This lady obviously does not sell sick puppies, despite her being a broker. She is not like Jeff Dane of www.yorkiepup.com who sells SICK SICK puppies for upwards of $10,000 each. As long as she is not being unethical, who cares if someone wants to purchase a pup from her? Different strokes for different folks........

ferragame · 10-13-2006, 05:25 AM

I would read the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's Code of Ethics and Conduct - http://www.ytca.org/frame_index2.html

It does state under the code of conduct section (number 4) that :
Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services will be offered as prizes or for raffles.

I would consider a broker a "commercial enterprise" so according to the YTCA a breeder should not sell a puppy to a broker. You may disagree. However, as a breeder I subscribe to this standard.

If I ever had a situation where for whatever reason (emergency situation - hospital stay, etc), I need to place a puppy quickly and I do not have a buyer at my price ($2k male/female regardless of size), I would GIVE the puppy to a good home for free before I sell to a pet store or broker.

I'm not saying that the broker you state is bad, but I wonder how they can be sure of the history of the puppies they purchase especially if they are from out of the country - genetic defects, living/breeding conditions, etc. They might be taken care of once they reach the broker but brokers (again not saying this particular one) are part of the problem (along with pet stores) that keep puppy mills in business.

I live in PA about an hour east of Lancaster. As many people know Lancaster is puppy mill central. The Amish are famous for their way of life and also infamous for their puppy mills. Its a sad situation.

Good luck in your search.

Terrance Ferragame

Chrissy0277 · 10-13-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by honeybrown_43

And that's TOTALLY YOUR OPINION!!! Regardless of where she got her puppies from they are being Well taken care of now !!

So, let me get this straight you dont care where your pup was raised, you dont care about the parents, you dont care about the living conditions of where these pups came from? But its ok that the puppies are taken care of now? Its because of people with this mentality that the puppy mills are thriving. Who cares that my pups parents are bred every heat over and over again until they die, who cares that my pups parents live in total filth with little to no food and water. Who cares that my pups parents live in a little wire crate. You know what YOU should care where those pups came from.
Do you care that your puppies mother's home looks like this?
Ughh, I know I would care

ali22 · 10-13-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

So, let me get this straight you dont care where your pup was raised, you dont care about the parents, you dont care about the living conditions of where these pups came from? But its ok that the puppies are taken care of now? Its because of people with this mentality that the puppy mills are thriving. Who cares that my pups parents are bred every heat over and over again until they die, who cares that my pups parents live in total filth with little to no food and water. Who cares that my pups parents live in a little wire crate. You know what YOU should care where those pups came from.
Do you care that your puppies mother's home looks like this?
Ughh, I know I would care

Is that a picture taken from the facilities she uses????

I've only been a memeber for a whopping day, but top notch yorkies was immediatly recommeded to me. I've been goggling and searhing yorkie talk about them all day. I can't believe thats their breeding facilities!! I didn't know they also sell big dogs? I thought they only sold yorkies and mixes?

Chrissy0277 · 10-13-2006, 01:00 PM

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Is that a picture taken from the facilities she uses????

No it is not!!
But its a picture from many of the anti puppy mill websites. Alot of puppy mills have those types of living conditions. http://www.stoppuppymills.org/
Topknotch is not a breeder but what you would call a broker. She buys pups from breeders and then resells them.
No reputable breeder would sell a puppy to a broker. Good breeders want to know where their puppies are going and screens buyers.

ali22 · 10-13-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

No it is not!!
But its a picture from many of the anti puppy mill websites. Alot of puppy mills have those types of living conditions. http://www.stoppuppymills.org/
Topknotch is not a breeder but what you would call a broker. She buys pups from breeders and then resells them.
No reputable breeder would sell a puppy to a broker. Good breeders want to know where their puppies are going and screens buyers.

OH! I thought that was a picture of her facilities! So why would you say "Do you care that your puppies mother's home looks like this?" I apreciate the help you've given me on the previous thread, so thank you for that. But that comment was a little misleading. How do you know she gets her puppies from puppy mills?

Chrissy0277 · 10-13-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ali22

OH! I thought that was a picture of her facilities! So why would you say "Do you care that your puppies mother's home looks like this?" I apreciate the help you've given me on the previous thread, so thank you for that. But that comment was a little misleading. How do you know she gets her puppies from puppy mills?

I apologize, thats what stinks about email, you read it a different way then I meant for it to be read. The person i was replying to said Regardless of where she got her puppies from they are being Well taken care of now !! So when I was replying I was thinking this is why there are puppy mills people dont care where the puppy came from when they should care where the puppy came from. Alot of pain and suffering comes along with a puppy mill pup, the pups parents are paying the price for the greedy millers.

They may not come from full blown puppy mills but they dont come from reputable breeders. No reputable breeder will sell their pups to a broker.

Chrissy0277 · 10-13-2006, 01:20 PM

Ask the breeders on this forum if they would sell their puppy to a broker.
Most of them are going to say no way

ali22 · 10-13-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

I apologize, thats what stinks about email, you read it a different way then I meant for it to be read. The person i was replying to said Regardless of where she got her puppies from they are being Well taken care of now !! So when I was replying I was thinking this is why there are puppy mills people dont care where the puppy came from when they should care where the puppy came from. Alot of pain and suffering comes along with a puppy mill pup, the pups parents are paying the price for the greedy millers.

They may not come from full blown puppy mills but they dont come from reputable breeders. No reputable breeder will sell their pups to a broker.

You don't have to tell me about puppy mill pups!!! There's this little pet shop in Point Pleasant, that I have ALWAYS been repulsed by. Well one day me and my boyfriend at the time went to look at them. There was this adorable yorkie and I more or less just felt SO bad for him, so we asked them to let us take him to the play area. Well by the time I left I was crying and unfortunatly my BF surprised me and bought him for me a few days later. It was a no brainer that he was from a puppy mill, I had always heard that rumor about the place but on top of that when I tried to locate the breeder where he was purchased from, I just ran into dead ends. On top of that I had to learn about the NJ pet lemon law the hard way. He had kennel cough from the begining and only later did I know that I could have returned him. A neighbor ended up adopting him six months later. I was VERY honest about my suspitions with her, but she wanted him anyway. He was the worst dog I have ever encountered. He just bit all the tine and ate his poop (I know that puppy mill/pet shop pups do that because they've never seen their poop). Did I mention he bit???? I was so mad at my BF for giving them buissness in the first place! I would never buy a puppy from a place with a bad rep. EVER!

Anyway....... Why is it not possible that top notch yorkies gets her pups from a good place? Or any broker for that fact? Ovbiously I'm not in the breeding world, but not all brokers can be bad. I mean it IS possible that there are some good ones out there. I'm just a little skeptical of generalized judgement is all. I prefer to go by reputation by first hand experience. .

DazzlinYT · 10-13-2006, 01:56 PM

A lot of puppymill pups eat their poop because that was the ONLY nourshiment they had once they were weaned..pretty sad and sick if you ask me.

As far as how does Chrissy KNOW that a broker gets pups from a "bad place"... it's pretty simple. NO DECENT REPUTIBLE BREEDER on this planet would sell pups to a broker! PERIOD.

I don't care if this Broker woman is the nicest, cleanest, friendliest woman in the world... the point is, she buys her pups from people/places who do not care enough about their puppies to raise them and choose their perfect homes themselves..they'd prefer to sell them "in bulk" for the $$ and let this woman do all the work for a profit. Lets face it, it's not hard to pop two dogs together with the right "parts" and make puppies, the pups aren't much trouble til after 6 or 8 weeks when they learn to eat on their own and mom quits cleaning up their poop.. once they become "work"..out the door they go to this broker, who may be the sweetest woman on the planet, HOWEVER, is she requiring genetic testing on all the adult parents and puppies she sells? Maybe she gives a guarantee, but BIG DEAL if you buy a pup who has a terrible genetic defect, and it RIPS YOUR HEART OUT to care for that pup, hey you can get your money back, yippee!! What about your heart? Are these pups being produced to be excellent representatives of the breed? Come on, if you're going to boot your pups out the door when they start yapping and pooping, you're not going to give two hoots if mom has a heart murmer, and dad has a liver shunt, or if mom is 15 lbs and dad is TWO.. if mom is a redleg, and dad has dumbo ears, and luxating patellas, you made your dollar, let this broker woman be responsible with her "guarantee"... Get the point here?

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Originally Posted by ali22

You don't have to tell me about puppy mill pups!!! There's this little pet shop in Point Pleasant, that I have ALWAYS been repulsed by. Well one day me and my boyfriend at the time went to look at them. There was this adorable yorkie and I more or less just felt SO bad for him, so we asked them to let us take him to the play area. Well by the time I left I was crying and unfortunatly my BF surprised me and bought him for me a few days later. It was a no brainer that he was from a puppy mill, I had always heard that rumor about the place but on top of that when I tried to locate the breeder where he was purchased from, I just ran into dead ends. On top of that I had to learn about the NJ pet lemon law the hard way. He had kennel cough from the begining and only later did I know that I could have returned him. A neighbor ended up adopting him six months later. I was VERY honest about my suspitions with her, but she wanted him anyway. He was the worst dog I have ever encountered. He just bit all the tine and ate his poop (I know that puppy mill/pet shop pups do that because they've never seen their poop). Did I mention he bit???? I was so mad at my BF for giving them buissness in the first place! I would never buy a puppy from a place with a bad rep. EVER!

Anyway....... Why is it not possible that top notch yorkies gets her pups from a good place? Or any broker for that fact? Ovbiously I'm not in the breeding world, but not all brokers can be bad. I mean it IS possible that there are some good ones out there. I'm just a little skeptical of generalized judgement is all. I prefer to go by reputation by first hand experience. .

kaymo · 10-13-2006, 07:37 PM

Ali22, you need to know that a broker is only selling the puppies for money. She wouldn't do it if she cared about the puppies. Do you know how hard it is for a puppy to leave it's mother and think its going to a new home only to go to a broker, adjust to living there and then have to go to another new home? Brokers know all of this info about puppy mills just like we do and they still buy and sell puppies like they're cars. A broker is just like a pet store. Unfortunately not everyone on this forum feels the same about puppy mills and pet stores like we do so they'll recommend a broker to those looking for a puppy.

jrsygal37 · 10-26-2006, 04:52 PM

I'm new to Yorkie Talk and reading through the posts regarging TopNotchYorkies (Broker). I originally sent an email and then realized they were brokers who got their pups from Brazil. Having three Yorkies (All rescues) I'd like to put my two cents in. Although the puppies are beautiful and people who have purchased from this person say that they are healthy, well socialized and even provided good care instructions etc. the bottom line is does anyone know how the parents are being treated? Sure the pups may be all that but that's not caring that's being a good business woman. These pups are her bread and butter. I'm just wondering if anyone that has bought from a broker has gone onto sites such as Puppymillrescue.com or stoppuppymills.org. prisoners of greed etc. Better yet there is a Yorkie on Petfinder right now, that is in I believe Kentucky. Ten of them came from a "Breeder" and they are all a mess. The parents of these pups I can assure you do not live in anyone's homes. The US doesn't supply the protection needed to help these puppymill dogs, do you think for a minute that a country like Brazil does? And the fact that this particular place or for that matter other brokers who get their dogs from out of the country can supply them weekly should send up the red flag that they are coming from a commercial breeder. Think about the poor parents living in these inhume conditions pumping out litter after litter just for the almighty dollar. The fact that the puppies are so beautiful, just means they came from good stock. It does not mean that the stock they came from are being cared for. Elaine.

Chrissy0277 · 10-26-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I'm new to Yorkie Talk and reading through the posts regarging TopNotchYorkies (Broker). I originally sent an email and then realized they were brokers who got their pups from Brazil. Having three Yorkies (All rescues) I'd like to put my two cents in. Although the puppies are beautiful and people who have purchased from this person say that they are healthy, well socialized and even provided good care instructions etc. the bottom line is does anyone know how the parents are being treated? Sure the pups may be all that but that's not caring that's being a good business woman. These pups are her bread and butter. I'm just wondering if anyone that has bought from a broker has gone onto sites such as Puppymillrescue.com or stoppuppymills.org. prisoners of greed etc. Better yet there is a Yorkie on Petfinder right now, that is in I believe Kentucky. Ten of them came from a "Breeder" and they are all a mess. The parents of these pups I can assure you do not live in anyone's homes. The US doesn't supply the protection needed to help these puppymill dogs, do you think for a minute that a country like Brazil does? And the fact that this particular place or for that matter other brokers who get their dogs from out of the country can supply them weekly should send up the red flag that they are coming from a commercial breeder. Think about the poor parents living in these inhume conditions pumping out litter after litter just for the almighty dollar. The fact that the puppies are so beautiful, just means they came from good stock. It does not mean that the stock they came from are being cared for. Elaine.

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS. Your right no one seems to care where these cute little puppy's parents are and how they live. And it kills me to read this. Why doesnt anyone care? This is my big question. Yeah its great she takes such good care of the pups in her care but what about their parents?

jrsygal37 · 10-26-2006, 06:31 PM

Ali22. I know just what pet shop in Pt. Pleasant that you're talking about. I'm a Point Pleasant girl

I moved from Point eight years ago, to S. Jersey but I'm always strolling Arnold Avenue. Picketed the place oh about ten years ago maybe. Didn't do any good though. I had a rescue back then and went in for a leash and the woman told me to have the dog put to sleep and get a real breed. That's no joke either. I was only temporary fostering the dog - a Springer Spaniel mix. I would NEVER buy a single thing from that place. I ended up putting the leash back and walking out. Made me sick to my stomach. Elaine

jrsygal37 · 10-26-2006, 06:43 PM

I've never posted a picture so I hope this takes. Anyway, heres a picture of a mom to one of those broker or pet store puppies. She was bred over and over and lived with a broken jaw but she could still pop out puppies. Thankfully, a puppymill rescue took her and she's now living out the rest of her life in a foster home. That's her forever home as she was too ill and too old to place. I believe she lived nine long years in a puppymill. Now think about that picture before defending a broker or petstore. Elaine

10-13-2006, 05:25 AM	#32
ferragame Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mohnton, PA Posts: 178	I would read the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's Code of Ethics and Conduct - http://www.ytca.org/frame_index2.html It does state under the code of conduct section (number 4) that : Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services will be offered as prizes or for raffles. I would consider a broker a "commercial enterprise" so according to the YTCA a breeder should not sell a puppy to a broker. You may disagree. However, as a breeder I subscribe to this standard. If I ever had a situation where for whatever reason (emergency situation - hospital stay, etc), I need to place a puppy quickly and I do not have a buyer at my price ($2k male/female regardless of size), I would GIVE the puppy to a good home for free before I sell to a pet store or broker. I'm not saying that the broker you state is bad, but I wonder how they can be sure of the history of the puppies they purchase especially if they are from out of the country - genetic defects, living/breeding conditions, etc. They might be taken care of once they reach the broker but brokers (again not saying this particular one) are part of the problem (along with pet stores) that keep puppy mills in business. I live in PA about an hour east of Lancaster. As many people know Lancaster is puppy mill central. The Amish are famous for their way of life and also infamous for their puppy mills. Its a sad situation. Good luck in your search. Terrance Ferragame __________________ Terrance & Eileen Ferragame

10-13-2006, 01:20 PM	#38
Chrissy0277 Its all about the yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,451	Ask the breeders on this forum if they would sell their puppy to a broker. Most of them are going to say no way __________________ CHRISSY Nikki Precious Lizzy Mimi , Lena Taboo

10-13-2006, 07:37 PM	#41
kaymo Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 346	Ali22, you need to know that a broker is only selling the puppies for money. She wouldn't do it if she cared about the puppies. Do you know how hard it is for a puppy to leave it's mother and think its going to a new home only to go to a broker, adjust to living there and then have to go to another new home? Brokers know all of this info about puppy mills just like we do and they still buy and sell puppies like they're cars. A broker is just like a pet store. Unfortunately not everyone on this forum feels the same about puppy mills and pet stores like we do so they'll recommend a broker to those looking for a puppy. __________________ Krissy, mommy to the kids...

10-26-2006, 06:31 PM	#44
jrsygal37 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,370	Ali22 Ali22. I know just what pet shop in Pt. Pleasant that you're talking about. I'm a Point Pleasant girl I moved from Point eight years ago, to S. Jersey but I'm always strolling Arnold Avenue. Picketed the place oh about ten years ago maybe. Didn't do any good though. I had a rescue back then and went in for a leash and the woman told me to have the dog put to sleep and get a real breed. That's no joke either. I was only temporary fostering the dog - a Springer Spaniel mix. I would NEVER buy a single thing from that place. I ended up putting the leash back and walking out. Made me sick to my stomach. Elaine

10-26-2006, 04:52 PM	#42
jrsygal37 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,370	I'm new to Yorkie Talk and reading through the posts regarging TopNotchYorkies (Broker). I originally sent an email and then realized they were brokers who got their pups from Brazil. Having three Yorkies (All rescues) I'd like to put my two cents in. Although the puppies are beautiful and people who have purchased from this person say that they are healthy, well socialized and even provided good care instructions etc. the bottom line is does anyone know how the parents are being treated? Sure the pups may be all that but that's not caring that's being a good business woman. These pups are her bread and butter. I'm just wondering if anyone that has bought from a broker has gone onto sites such as Puppymillrescue.com or stoppuppymills.org. prisoners of greed etc. Better yet there is a Yorkie on Petfinder right now, that is in I believe Kentucky. Ten of them came from a "Breeder" and they are all a mess. The parents of these pups I can assure you do not live in anyone's homes. The US doesn't supply the protection needed to help these puppymill dogs, do you think for a minute that a country like Brazil does? And the fact that this particular place or for that matter other brokers who get their dogs from out of the country can supply them weekly should send up the red flag that they are coming from a commercial breeder. Think about the poor parents living in these inhume conditions pumping out litter after litter just for the almighty dollar. The fact that the puppies are so beautiful, just means they came from good stock. It does not mean that the stock they came from are being cared for. Elaine.