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chipperdancing 09-05-2006 08:50 PM

10 Days Old and Two of Four Still Available!
 

Our "Mini", 5lb., (AKC Precious Princess Minute) and "The Mick", 3.5bls, (AKC Feisty Michelob) produced their second litter of four on August 27th! It was 'touch and go' the entire time since everyone involved, owners & Mini (who had a 'c' section last year) had NEVER ever even seen babies born, much less participated!
Our "Mini" came through like the little 5lb champ she is, and never even went into hard labor ~ thus proving all the "nay sayers" wrong ~ a 'c' section can follow with a natural birth!


The babies, 3 males and 1 female, 10 days old are fat and happy! We nicknamed them "BK", "Sirius", "Twinkle Toes" & "Blue" ~ all will be between 3.5lbs and 5lbs when grown! "Sirius" and "Twinkle" are sold.

If anyone out there in Oregon or California is looking for beautiful, small males ~ "BK" and "Blue" are Blue Chip Specials. Especially "Blue", he meets AKC standards to a "T" - Blue/Gold and NO white! He's the smallest in the litter and SHOW QUALITY! I can deliver anywhere from Eugene, OR to San Diego, CA as long as it's near I-5. And, if you purchase off Yorkietalk I will sell them at last years price, $900.00 each.

We are just a home in Southern Oregon devoted to our Yorkies, we are not professional Breeders ~ these are quality pups from championship lines. This will probably be "Mini's" last litter, she's too small and not strong enough for four at a time ~ if she is bred again, it will be for one pup at a time only.

Your name: James and Noel Parker

Your city, state: Coos Bay, OR
Your phone number: 541 888-4128

Your email address: chipperdancing@verizon.net

Yorkie(s) For Sale: Two males born August 27, 2006

Age of Yorkie(s): 10 days as of September 5th, 2006

Weight of Yorkie(s) parents: Dam 5lbs. Sire 3.5lbs.

Current weight of Yorkie(s) for sale: "Bk" @ 7 4/10th ounces
and "Blue" @ 7 2/10 ounces.

Registration if any (AKC, etc): Litter AKC Registered
Price: $900.00 each
Age when puppies will be ready to be taken home: Hopefully I will travel South from Oregon to San Diego, CA and can deliver enroute when puppies are 5-6 weeks, have first vaccinations and are feeding themselves and self-sufficient. This worked well last year with the first litter as I have family in Southern California and will meet adoptive parents and deliver puppies enroute.
Do you ship your Yorkies: NO

We do NOT ALLOW any Yorkies for sale if you personally aren't selling them yourself unless approved in advance by us. We have had too many issues and problems of members "selling for their friend, etc." If they want to post a Yorkie for sale, let them create their OWN YorkieTalk account and post the details themselves. We will NOT ALLOW any brokers, puppy mills, agents, or anyone posting Yorkies for sale if they are not in your possession. You MUST have the Yorkie(s) in your possession if you want to post in here unless you have permission in advance.

Also, please put your location (city, state) in the thread. Coos Bay, OR

Lilytron 09-05-2006 11:44 PM

You let puppies go at 5-6 weeks? Poor babies!

Little Bit 09-06-2006 03:45 AM

if she is bred again, it will be for one pup at a time only


How can you guarantee it will only be one pup with a breeding, doesn't nature determine that?

Nancy

chachi 09-06-2006 07:18 AM

Wow you let your pups go when they are 5 or 6 weeks? That is too young

lisatodd 09-06-2006 07:52 AM

most all dogs don't go before 8 weeks. and yorkies normally cannot go until 12 weeks. how are you able to let them go at 5-6 weeks? and show dogs normally don''t go for 4-6 months. you may want to answer these questions for us yorkie talkers

tegamom1 09-06-2006 08:28 AM

Show quality? You can tell at this age???:confused: Also, just how do you breed for 1 puppy??

KKandie 09-06-2006 08:31 AM

why would anyone breed a yorkie again after they had to go through a csection? 5/6 weeks is to young to take them away from their mommys they don't even have their teeth through their little gums at that age.

ssmiles1980A 09-06-2006 09:05 AM

im not a breeder but i have 4 yorkies and i was always told that they shouldnt be let go until at least 12 weeks...5/6 weeks seems so young and so unhealthy to do so ...Hmmm !!

Timmy 09-06-2006 09:22 AM

I agree with everyone...5/6 weeks is too early

JESSY_RN2B 09-06-2006 10:32 AM

I too agree with the rest.............very cute pics too!

chipperdancing 09-06-2006 12:10 PM

There is nothing "poor" about our baby Yorkies.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilytron
You let puppies go at 5-6 weeks? Poor babies!

Hello!
First, there is nothing "poor" about our baby Yorkies. And, if you read what I wrote in it's entirety you will see I do not let them go until they are they are totally self-sufficient ~ which means they are no longer dependent on suckling "Mini" ~ they have baby teeth, are feeding themselves and can gnaw a carrot down to nothing! You can imagine what they can do to "Mini's" teats ~ and they will try to suckle if they can get hold of her!

They're independent, play tug-a-war, growling, tumbling and wrestling during waking hours, then falling into a heap with or without their siblings to sleep. Our puppies are held daily from birth, they love people and are social butterflies ~ they're intelligent, learn fast and will fall all over themselves at the sound of the doorbell!

When they leave our home they are very strong, healthy, fat little roly-poly's and they're ready to go. We do not kennel our Yorkies. We do not ship our Yorkies. We warn against combining small children and small dogs. We firmly educate adoptive parents not to allow their feet to touch outside ground until they have had all their vaccinations and Vet approval, this includes their own fenced yards unless free of bird feeders, cat waste, other dogs & any form of insecticides.

To be perfectly honest I have seen some very fragile "twelve week old Yorkies" and I suspect there are Breeders out there who cannot read a calendar and who are very confused as to what month their Yorkies were born! And, I have known and talked to more than one Yorkie owner who purchased a one or two pound baby Yorkie at "twelve weeks" and ended up with a twelve and thirteen pound "Porky-Yorkie"! Those babies are the "Poor" ones, and not my strong, healthy, roly-poly little balls of teeth, muscle, sinew, fat and fur who are more than ready to go when they are picked-up or delivered to their new owners.

I know my saying this is going to make Breeders angry, especially those advertising "Pocket Yorkies" and "Toy Yorkies" and "Tiny Yorkies", which we all know there is no such classification ~ but if your Baby Yorkie needs twelve weeks, three months!, to be healthy enough to leave home then I think it's obvious who the "poor babies" are.

Little Bit 09-06-2006 12:37 PM

Again, I am wondering how do you breed for just one pup?

gutu28 09-06-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Bit
Again, I am wondering how do you breed for just one pup?

Same here! This is news to me!

I, for one, would never EVER purchase a 5 week old puppy. NO way NO how! There is soo much socialization with the mommy that happens between 5 and 8 or even 10 weeks that the little baby would be missing out on :( Cali didn't even have teeth at that age, how can they be totally self-sufficient?

tegamom1 09-06-2006 12:46 PM

You still didn't tell us how you were going to breed for only one puppy at a time. I'm sure we're all interested in how you do that. And.. how in the world can you tell if a puppy is "show quality" at this age?

hannahsmom 09-06-2006 02:10 PM

So how do you breed for one puppy. I've read this whole thing in amazement. 5-6 weeks? No way I would buy a pup that young.

candybaby 09-06-2006 02:19 PM

Here's another one of those threads where everyone gangs up on someone. I bought both of my babies at 6 weeks old and they were in perfect health. If they are no longer feeding on the mom and are healthy and sleeping on their own and have at least their first set of shots, I don't see nothing wrong with it. I'v also heard 6-8 weeks is when they start bonding to their new owners they start to learn the behavior around them. And if I recall alot of people on YT are always upset because their yorkie is not behaving the way they want them to. Well if you get the at the right age you can mold them to your way of living.

Okay I'm ready for the attacks!!!

chachi 09-06-2006 02:29 PM

Okay Candybaby get ready for the attack J/K. I am glad you had a good experience with having one that young. I did not. I got Chachi when he was 6 weeks old and he got sick on me and i was a new yorkie owner with a 1 lb sick yorkie. Thats why i dont agree that they should go to their homes at that age. Also many of he breeders on here say they need the extra time for socialization.

candybaby 09-06-2006 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachi
Okay Candybaby get ready for the attack J/K. I am glad you had a good experience with having one that young. I did not. I got Chachi when he was 6 weeks old and he got sick on me and i was a new yorkie owner with a 1 lb sick yorkie. Thats why i dont agree that they should go to their homes at that age. Also many of he breeders on here say they need the extra time for socialization.

Socialization with who???? Their current owners, wouldn't you want to be the first one your yorkie bonds with. Not have them bond with the owner then you come and uproot them out of their homes, your a stranger to them I wouldn't want that for mine. Why do you think most older yorkies are scared when you bring them home. Now I would "poor babies" to those yorkies.

chipperdancing 09-06-2006 03:08 PM

You are absolutely right ~ no guarantees in breeding!
 
Hello, I apologize, I did not mean to skip your question.

You are absolutely right ~ it is impossible to breed for one pup. At this point in time, I do not plan to breed "Mini" again, but that decision is more than a year away.

I have bred her twice, both times on her 9th and 12th day. Both times one pup has been 7 or 8 ounces larger than the others. More than one Breeder has suggested the larger pup came from the first tie, getting somewhat of a headstart over the others.

I have no idea if there is any scientific fact to this thinking.

On the other hand, you are absolutely right, there is no guarantee "The Mick" wouldn't throw three or four pups to her in one breeding.

I had simply thought (and typed the thought) if I did breed her again, just one tie might produce just one pup ~ or possibly two. All of her pups have been between 4 and 5 ounces, fairly good sized and four of them is a lot for "Mini" at her normal 5lbs. ~ although she is an excellent mama, she is down to 4.5lbs since birthing.

It would seem all of this should be in the Breeders Forum, where reasoning and preference is discussed, rather than attacked.

chipperdancing 09-06-2006 03:56 PM

[B]NOT gumming a carrot when they gnaw it down [/B
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KKandie
why would anyone breed a yorkie again after they had to go through a csection? 5/6 weeks is to young to take them away from their mommys they don't even have their teeth through their little gums at that age.

Oh Ho! You better believe teeth are in and they not only play tug-of-war and wrestle each other, but the growling and sneak attacks have started! And, they certainly are not gumming a carrot when they gnaw it down to nothing. Entertaining and great fun to watch ~ new owners should not miss this time in their new puppy's life, it will not be repeated.

Why breed "Mini" after a 'c' section ~ because she was and continues to be capable of normal birth ! as approved by her Veterinarian's (three) and other Breeders ~ with her Veterinarian at his home, fully aware and on stand-by in case she got into trouble. Instead, she never went into hard labor! The first one scared her! since she didn't know what was happening, after that she slipped those babies right out, ready to nurse as each one came. It is agreed normal birthing is better and healthier for the dam and her pups.

She proved a 'c' section is not the "end all" as many believe!

chipperdancing 09-06-2006 04:42 PM

Get ready to DUCK!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by candybaby
Socialization with who???? Their current owners, wouldn't you want to be the first one your yorkie bonds with. Not have them bond with the owner then you come and uproot them out of their homes, your a stranger to them I wouldn't want that for mine. Why do you think most older yorkies are scared when you bring them home. Now I would "poor babies" to those yorkies.

AhHa! So, Lydia, we'll go down in flames together!

You have three darling babies! Lola Belle, Nemo and Candee are beautiful! I agree with you 100% ~ not only have three month old Yorkies bonded with their Breeders, IF they are held enough ~ but they learn the negative kennel behaviors of the other Yorkies, (ever been around a "quiet" kennel?) ~ such as barking constantly and then forever being "YAPPERS"! A 'trait' new owners simply accept (as genetic?) even though it drives everyone around them nuts, it is a learned behavior!

~And, three months is plenty of time for the little "Dumbo Ears" to have their splints removed and ears healed ~ just another point no Breeder will admit to ~ and it's just long enough for the long legged ones (Chi-kies? Yor-chi's) to grow enough coat to pass for full blooded Yorkies. I have witnessed both of these with more than one or two Breeders ~ I've already mentioned the "Porky Yorkies" (must be a genetic 'throw back').

And, just where are these rough and tumble litters kept during this time? In kennels. Gee, I wonder why new parents cannot break them from going potty on their cement patio! Those babies just don't like grass!

So, I agree with you 100%, Lydia ~ those bad habits are learned early, and a baby Yorkie does a lot of learning in the first three months. I really didn't intend to shoot back, but now both of us better get ready to DUCK!

Yorkie3 09-06-2006 05:01 PM

I can't believe there are still people out there that let their puppies go that early. They may be healthy, but the socialization, dog manners, etc...so many things that only mamas can teach their babies. I would never buy one that young.

There is no way to tell it will be show quality at this age and how can you predict just one baby? Just curious as the others.

Yorkie3 09-06-2006 05:09 PM

I just wanted to make sure you knew I meant no disrespect. After reading and posting here since Jan. '06 I was just shocked any one let them go that early.

pnsyorkies 09-06-2006 05:34 PM

I agree and NO I may not be a show breeder but even I know better then this
 
I have to agree maybe it was written wrong .. but dont get mad .... we and Im sure I can speak for some of us .. have been breeders along time ... and have never let a puppy go at 5 to 6 weeks of age ...
we are not the ones who stated that .

sylvan 09-06-2006 06:29 PM

wow, I almost don't even know what to say.....but I'll overcome that.

First, please do a bit more research before you continue with the misinformation you are posting. Males do not determine the amount of pups born to a litter. Females are most likely to have the same amount of pups in subsequent litters and good breeders do not hope for just one since single litter pups tend to grow large and present difficult births.

Secondly, The excuses you have posted for your reasons for releasing pups at an age where they are just beginning to be troublesome and WORK for the breeder have no basis in fact. Shame on you for pointing fingers at reputable breeders who do their homework and spend the time and effort to properly socialize ( find out what this means, it's not about bonding with the breeder), begin potty training and yep, scoop up a lot of poop that you won't be bothered with by dumping your pups just after they're weaned.

If this is your second litter you've had plenty of time to educate yourself....but have obviously chosen not to bother. Buyer Beware.

ButterflyYorkie 09-06-2006 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipperdancing
Our "Mini", 5lb., (AKC Precious Princess Minute) and "The Mick", 3.5bls, (AKC Feisty Michelob) produced their second litter of four on August 27th! It was 'touch and go' the entire time since everyone involved, owners & Mini (who had a 'c' section last year) had NEVER ever even seen babies born, much less participated!
Our "Mini" came through like the little 5lb champ she is, and never even went into hard labor ~ thus proving all the "nay sayers" wrong ~ a 'c' section can follow with a natural birth!


The babies, 3 males and 1 female, 10 days old are fat and happy! We nicknamed them "BK", "Sirius", "Twinkle Toes" & "Blue" ~ all will be between 3.5lbs and 5lbs when grown! "Sirius" and "Twinkle" are sold.

If anyone out there in Oregon or California is looking for beautiful, small males ~ "BK" and "Blue" are Blue Chip Specials. Especially "Blue", he meets AKC standards to a "T" - Blue/Gold and NO white! He's the smallest in the litter and SHOW QUALITY! I can deliver anywhere from Eugene, OR to San Diego, CA as long as it's near I-5. And, if you purchase off Yorkietalk I will sell them at last years price, $900.00 each.

We are just a home in Southern Oregon devoted to our Yorkies, we are not professional Breeders ~ these are quality pups from championship lines. This will probably be "Mini's" last litter, she's too small and not strong enough for four at a time ~ if she is bred again, it will be for one pup at a time only.

Your name: James and Noel Parker

Your city, state: Coos Bay, OR
Your phone number: 541 888-4128

Your email address: chipperdancing@verizon.net

Yorkie(s) For Sale: Two males born August 27, 2006

Age of Yorkie(s): 10 days as of September 5th, 2006

Weight of Yorkie(s) parents: Dam 5lbs. Sire 3.5lbs.

Current weight of Yorkie(s) for sale: "Bk" @ 7 4/10th ounces
and "Blue" @ 7 2/10 ounces.

Registration if any (AKC, etc): Litter AKC Registered
Price: $900.00 each
Age when puppies will be ready to be taken home: Hopefully I will travel South from Oregon to San Diego, CA and can deliver enroute when puppies are 5-6 weeks, have first vaccinations and are feeding themselves and self-sufficient. This worked well last year with the first litter as I have family in Southern California and will meet adoptive parents and deliver puppies enroute.
Do you ship your Yorkies: NO

We do NOT ALLOW any Yorkies for sale if you personally aren't selling them yourself unless approved in advance by us. We have had too many issues and problems of members "selling for their friend, etc." If they want to post a Yorkie for sale, let them create their OWN YorkieTalk account and post the details themselves. We will NOT ALLOW any brokers, puppy mills, agents, or anyone posting Yorkies for sale if they are not in your possession. You MUST have the Yorkie(s) in your possession if you want to post in here unless you have permission in advance.

Also, please put your location (city, state) in the thread. Coos Bay, OR

Congrats on your new babies! I know you are excited and overwhelmed with joy which may be a reason that you are so quick to say their is a show quality in your litter. I don't hold that against you because I remember the AWESOME feeling of having a brand new litter. I must say there is no way that you or anyone could tell if a baby is show quality, potential or prospect at 10 days old and wayyyyyy after that. It will (and does) take SEVERAL months to establish that one "may" be of that potential either way. I wish you and your babies the best and my best advice to you is to just slow down and enjoy these babies. Get to know them and see how they actually turn out. Best wishes!!:2hearts2:

Lila 09-06-2006 07:03 PM

Bonding Between 5-8 weeks?
 
Puppies bond most deeply between 11-16 weeks; they quite easily transfer from one person to another before this age. I have acquired many dogs around four months, and they have all become very much 'my' dogs. Kia came to me at five months-she knows that I am her person, and makes it very obvious-but will stay well with a friend when I am in hospital. That is also important, as there are times when dogs must be cared for by others.

Also, think of the number of dogs adopted from rescues, humane societies or other groups; they rarely, if ever, have trouble bonding with a new person.

I prefer to acquire puppies around the four month mark, if they have had access to their littermates, mother and any other animals, including children, the whole time. I find they have fewer chewing issues, less separation anxiety, ready to potty outside and easily learn basic manners; sit, down, come, etc. Also, with the first set of shots past, they are ready to socialize outside the family. Kia has never chewed anything inappropriate, settled in quickly with the other dogs and had learned the recall within two days. She was also cute, to boot. What more could one want?

ps; she also learned to hunt for frogs!

Dragonfly 09-06-2006 07:09 PM

I'm a hobbie breeder, my babies (yorkies) live in a little house that was built out of love sweat and tears that is builted on the side of my house. They have their own bedrooms that is 5 foot by 5 foot one yorkie to each room, they have doogie doors to go out or in as they please, they have fresh water inside and out food too. they have runners to play in the grass (for now) they are walked everyday, I have ppl telling me all the time my yorkies lives life kings. SO YOU SIR HAVE HURT MY FEELING.Sylvan you go get them. Oh by the way the vets say thier teeth doesn't come in GOOD to eat hard food until 8 weeks old.

cutiepatutie627 09-06-2006 07:44 PM

I am not any kind of breeder yet but even I know that 5-6 weeks is waaay too young!! I was reading somewhere and it said that it's most likely that when a puppy is that young they are more prone to disease and how can they be socialized if they haven't even been born that long!! I talked to a lady that had a 3lbs girl who she willingly got fixed because if she didn't the pups would probbably have some kind of defect and the mother could quite possibly die!! I know that I am not as experienced as Sylvan but I have done all of my research and it seems to me that someone needs to do theirs before they want to post something as gorrid and senseless as this!! I am not trying to be mean but I hate it when someone is misinformed and then argues about it!!

DazzlinYT 09-06-2006 10:08 PM

How the heck do you determine "perfect AKC standard" at ten days? Can you give me lessons on that, cause you'd cut down a heck of a lot of "wait" time for me...I can't determine if a dog has turned out or not for sure til around 10 months! Wow I could save 9 months and 3 weeks! So you say "Blue" is already blue and gold? At Ten days? Do you realize that is a genetic defect that could be life threatening to him? He could also live a normal life, just have NO HAIR...but that sounds "perfect to a T" to me for sure, gosh none of that pesky grooming! Also, self sufficient at 6 weeks? Ummm my 8 week olds just not got TEETH..they are still nursing, and learning important lessons from mommy as they should be! You must have super puppies! Do you have something in your water that has turned them into self sufficient puppies at 6 weeks? that's incredible! Maybe you should sell that so other people like you can have super puppies too! I guess I must have POOR YORKIES, mine don't leave here til AT LEAST 12 weeks (already "fixed"), if not way way more...gosh poor little guys, I'll have to go tell them all the fun they are missing by being booted out the door at six weeks! Hmm..one more thing, I am truely wanting to know how you get a litter of one ON PURPOSE? Do you do a secret dance under the moonlight and throw dirt over your shoulder 3 times before you breed? Is that how it's done?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipperdancing
Hello!
First, there is nothing "poor" about our baby Yorkies. And, if you read what I wrote in it's entirety you will see I do not let them go until they are they are totally self-sufficient ~ which means they are no longer dependent on suckling "Mini" ~ they have baby teeth, are feeding themselves and can gnaw a carrot down to nothing! You can imagine what they can do to "Mini's" teats ~ and they will try to suckle if they can get hold of her!

They're independent, play tug-a-war, growling, tumbling and wrestling during waking hours, then falling into a heap with or without their siblings to sleep. Our puppies are held daily from birth, they love people and are social butterflies ~ they're intelligent, learn fast and will fall all over themselves at the sound of the doorbell!

When they leave our home they are very strong, healthy, fat little roly-poly's and they're ready to go. We do not kennel our Yorkies. We do not ship our Yorkies. We warn against combining small children and small dogs. We firmly educate adoptive parents not to allow their feet to touch outside ground until they have had all their vaccinations and Vet approval, this includes their own fenced yards unless free of bird feeders, cat waste, other dogs & any form of insecticides.

To be perfectly honest I have seen some very fragile "twelve week old Yorkies" and I suspect there are Breeders out there who cannot read a calendar and who are very confused as to what month their Yorkies were born! And, I have known and talked to more than one Yorkie owner who purchased a one or two pound baby Yorkie at "twelve weeks" and ended up with a twelve and thirteen pound "Porky-Yorkie"! Those babies are the "Poor" ones, and not my strong, healthy, roly-poly little balls of teeth, muscle, sinew, fat and fur who are more than ready to go when they are picked-up or delivered to their new owners.

I know my saying this is going to make Breeders angry, especially those advertising "Pocket Yorkies" and "Toy Yorkies" and "Tiny Yorkies", which we all know there is no such classification ~ but if your Baby Yorkie needs twelve weeks, three months!, to be healthy enough to leave home then I think it's obvious who the "poor babies" are.



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