Pair of proven yorkies

[carmen in nj]

You can consider me snarky, if thatmakes you feel better, this is the only times in my life that I am at a lost of words. 3.9lbs, she is NOT even 4 pounds, this dog is way too small to breed.. I am at a lost, I been breeding for sometime and would NEVER bless anyone that will intentionally breed such a small girl..

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

Like Kim I just can't do it. I have to disagree with you about your comment on Breeders being snarky. I believe that it is not being snarky just an overall concern with breeding a female that small and then selling her with full rights. I would like to know also the answers to the questions Yorkiemom1 asked you. What is behind these dogs your selling. Also I think I have every right to be judgemental as you call it because I am what would be considered young blood in the show scene. I had to endure way more than the simple questions you are being asked and I still endure more on a daily basis. I have worked hard to get where I have today and I still have more hard work to do. But if you don't cut corners and make sure you are breeding dogs that better the breed then no matter how judgemental people get you can persevere. As long as you are doing things the right way. Okay Off my soapbox for now.

This is just so sad, I am not a breeder and yet I know this is terribly wrong....please share the info YM1 requested.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by KimInMD

Nope, can't do it, and I don't care if I get in trouble or not. Breeding that tiny little girl, and selling her to someone else w/ full breeding rights is just mean, heartless, and irresponsible. If you must sell her, please, I beg you, spay her first. The only reason to sell her unspayed is to get more money, at the expense of that poor baby's health and wellbeing. And before you go off thinking I don't understand life with tinies, I do. I just spayed my tiny female. She has a 15 generation AKC pedigree, and comes from some of the best lines in the USA. While I don't agree at all with your morals as a breeder, I did want to say, from the bottom of my heart, that I am very truly sorry for the pain that you are experiencing in your life right now. No one should have to go through such an terrible, awful time.

Been where you are with the divorce and the loved one's health issues. I too am very sorry for your circumstances, and I pray for your strength and courage to get through this. I have to add, on the subject of the dogs you have listed, since you have been around breeding and shows, you KNOW it is unethical at the very least, to breed a female this small. And to sell her as a brood bitch is in my opinion, which I am entitled to express, unconscionable, unreputable, unethical, and unprofessional. This is the kind of behavior that separates legitimate, trustworthy breeders, from puppy mills and BYB.

[normarae63]

Oh my...I can see all sorts of options in this case.
I hope OP you'll take a look at this page from the YTCA which promotes knowledge about the AKC program here in the states which is your equivalent to CKC. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Perhaps it will help explain why you're getting so many opinions & questions about your listing here on YT. We're a pretty passionate group & some have stronger ways of getting their ideas across than others.

I do hope & pray you'll reconsider letting that sweet little girl continue to birth babies...she really is tiny.

I also join others who have expressed their sincere sympathies & hope that your life gets easier to deal with soon.

[archatdz]

What I find really funny is that just because a girl is 5 lbs doesn't mean that she is structually sound to whelp a litter of puppies.

What does the sale line read? Current weight of the dogs... yes, she is currently 3.9lbs. She is a hard keeper. At one point I bet she was 4.5 lbs... maybe even 3.7 lbs. I feed her whatever I can to keep her weight up. But according to your judgement, if she was nice, overweight 5 lbs, then this would be acceptable?

Once again, a society based on weights, just like public looking for teacups. I can have an emaciated 10" dog weighing 3lbs, or a 6" round as a barrel dog weighing 10 lbs. So again, if my vet cleared me to breed this dog, who are you to tell me what weight is or is not acceptable to breed?

[archatdz]

What I find funny is that there is no guarantee that a 5 lb female is even structurally sound as a breeding female either.

Society is so hooked up on weights. Hey, let's toss around the word teacup. I can have a 10" dog that is emaciated, skin and bones weighing 3lbs (ooh, a teacup!!), or a 6" dog that is overweight at 10lbs. Doesn't mean either one of them is healthy, or structurally sound to whelp a litter of puppies!

This girl is a hard keeper. I can't force her to eat. I've tried. At one point she may have been 4.5lbs, heck may even 3.5lbs depending on her cycle. As the ad reads: Current weight. Yes, she was weighed after she had her last litter of free whelped puppies.

As I previously mentioned, she was properly vetted, and my vet had NO concerns about me breeding her, so again, who are you to judge? You don't want to chance it, don't. But don't judge me. You don't know me. I would never put my animals at risk. Period.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by archatdz

What I find funny is that there is no guarantee that a 5 lb female is even structurally sound as a breeding female either.

Society is so hooked up on weights. Hey, let's toss around the word teacup. I can have a 10" dog that is emaciated, skin and bones weighing 3lbs (ooh, a teacup!!), or a 6" dog that is overweight at 10lbs. Doesn't mean either one of them is healthy, or structurally sound to whelp a litter of puppies!

This girl is a hard keeper. I can't force her to eat. I've tried. At one point she may have been 4.5lbs, heck may even 3.5lbs depending on her cycle. As the ad reads: Current weight. Yes, she was weighed after she had her last litter of free whelped puppies.

As I previously mentioned, she was properly vetted, and my vet had NO concerns about me breeding her, so again, who are you to judge? You don't want to chance it, don't. But don't judge me. You don't know me. I would never put my animals at risk. Period.

I too would like to add my condolences for the terrible life tragedies that you are dealing with and my heart goes out to you for having to see a beloved family member go through such a devastating time and you yourself, the pain and upheaval of divorce. It's got to be such a hard time in your life and I'm sorry for you. God bless you as you go.

But could I ask, why do you breed dogs? If you are losing money and whatever you or any vet may say, breeding undersized females is very risky and produces puppies whose lives are often compromised, why breed? What is your reason for breeding?

[Deb1]

Just want to say they are beautiful!

[msyorktown]

Wow, I'm no breeder...but wow! You have to understand posting something like that on here would bring out the passion for these babies, as we all want what is best for the pups. Breeding a 3.9lb pup is NOT what is best for her...you say you would never put your 'animals' at risk, yet that is exactly what you have done....smh.
Sorry you have so much going on in your life, I pray all goes well for you.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by archatdz

What I find funny is that there is no guarantee that a 5 lb female is even structurally sound as a breeding female either.

Society is so hooked up on weights. Hey, let's toss around the word teacup. I can have a 10" dog that is emaciated, skin and bones weighing 3lbs (ooh, a teacup!!), or a 6" dog that is overweight at 10lbs. Doesn't mean either one of them is healthy, or structurally sound to whelp a litter of puppies!

This girl is a hard keeper. I can't force her to eat. I've tried. At one point she may have been 4.5lbs, heck may even 3.5lbs depending on her cycle. As the ad reads: Current weight. Yes, she was weighed after she had her last litter of free whelped puppies.

As I previously mentioned, she was properly vetted, and my vet had NO concerns about me breeding her, so again, who are you to judge? You don't want to chance it, don't. But don't judge me. You don't know me. I would never put my animals at risk. Period.

Not being judgmental, but to offer my opinion:

Yes, some tiny girls can free whelp, and some girls of size may have problems. That being said, you have to draw the line somewhere and, for Yorkies, a minimum weight of 5 pounds for a breeding dam is the general rule, along with other considerations.

Even though your girl free whelped for you using your stud, who is to say she will again with a different stud? For that matter, she could have problems whelping even with the same stud.

The bottom line is that you are offering (and pricing) an underweight 3 year old girl for breeding. The risks are higher in a small girl for pregnancy and whelping issues. At the least, it is more taxing on a smaller girl, which is itself a health concern. Anyone considering this girl must factor all that in.

My vet once recommended my breeding a 3 1/2 pound girl I had. No, thanks, but she was placed in a pet home. Just because a vet says it's okay doesn't make it a good idea.

You have very good looking dogs and I'm sure the little girl would make a great pet.

[archatdz]

Why do I breed dogs? For the same reason my family has done so for the last 30 years. Love for the breed, love for the sport of showing. I bred GSDs with my mom until she started taking ill 18 months ago, and she could no longer keep up. I had fallen in love with the yorkie breed from going to shows, and decided last year to work with yorkies since we only have two spayed/neutered shepherds left. I had aspired to show my own offspring, until my marriage went awry.

Any bitch can have whelping problems. A 10lb bitch, only catching with one baby, that grows abnormally large can have issues and require a c-section. A throwback from a line can cause larger babies. That is the unknown of breeding. And any breeder that says they have never had an issue hasn't been in it long enough, or is just simply lying.

I agree, this is a passionate group. But there is a line between passion, and scaring away new people from breeding and showing. Next time you hear people complaining about why clubs are going under, and about why there are fewer and fewer entries, and more BYBs, think about the attitudes many breeders have. Protecting your lines lines is one thing. But again, jumping down someone's throat without knowing the facts is uncalled for. I do have a thick skin from being in this hobby for decades, but if I was a newbie, this would not have ended well.

At this point, I no longer feel the need to explain myself to anyone. This is a for sale thread, I have two yorkies for sale, breeder/show (and yes, you can show a 3lb yorkie in canada) or pets. Anyone interested can message my privately.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archatdz

What I find funny is that there is no guarantee that a 5 lb female is even structurally sound as a breeding female either.

Society is so hooked up on weights. Hey, let's toss around the word teacup. I can have a 10" dog that is emaciated, skin and bones weighing 3lbs (ooh, a teacup!!), or a 6" dog that is overweight at 10lbs. Doesn't mean either one of them is healthy, or structurally sound to whelp a litter of puppies!

This girl is a hard keeper. I can't force her to eat. I've tried. At one point she may have been 4.5lbs, heck may even 3.5lbs depending on her cycle. As the ad reads: Current weight. Yes, she was weighed after she had her last litter of free whelped puppies.

As I previously mentioned, she was properly vetted, and my vet had NO concerns about me breeding her, so again, who are you to judge? You don't want to chance it, don't. But don't judge me. You don't know me. I would never put my animals at risk. Period.

You are putting your animals at risk the EXPERTS of yorkies say under 5 pounds is bad and they don't make it up they actually do research on this. There are so many bad vets out there that one saying you can breed her a that weight means nothing and vets are not experts in all breeds. Its not just about weight to tell whether a dogs is goods for breeding but one under 5 pounds should not even be considered for breeding. I'm glad for her sake you got lucky and she did fine with a litter of pups but I doubt that will happen again and its not worth the risk. NO ONE who has done the breeding research who really loves there dog would breed them at under 5 pounds its just to risky.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

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Been where you are with the divorce and the loved one's health issues. I too am very sorry for your circumstances, and I pray for your strength and courage to get through this. I have to add, on the subject of the dogs you have listed, since you have been around breeding and shows, you KNOW it is unethical at the very least, to breed a female this small. And to sell her as a brood bitch is in my opinion, which I am entitled to express, unconscionable, unreputable, unethical, and unprofessional. This is the kind of behavior that separates legitimate, trustworthy breeders, from puppy mills and BYB.

I was going to put my feelings on this here but this says it all. If you are a show breeder then shame on you.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by archatdz

What I find funny is that there is no guarantee that a 5 lb female is even structurally sound as a breeding female either.

Society is so hooked up on weights. Hey, let's toss around the word teacup. I can have a 10" dog that is emaciated, skin and bones weighing 3lbs (ooh, a teacup!!), or a 6" dog that is overweight at 10lbs. Doesn't mean either one of them is healthy, or structurally sound to whelp a litter of puppies!

This girl is a hard keeper. I can't force her to eat. I've tried. At one point she may have been 4.5lbs, heck may even 3.5lbs depending on her cycle. As the ad reads: Current weight. Yes, she was weighed after she had her last litter of free whelped puppies.

As I previously mentioned, she was properly vetted, and my vet had NO concerns about me breeding her, so again, who are you to judge? You don't want to chance it, don't. But don't judge me. You don't know me. I would never put my animals at risk. Period.

My ladies and their health, are my ONLY concern. If I had a female that dropped 1-2 lbs or actually, almost half her body weight, trying to keep her litter fed, I personally would be very distressed about that, and right or wrong, I would not continue to breed that bitch. I make decisions regarding my breeding bitches to do whatever I personally can live with, and I do not feel her loosing half her body weight is a healthy condition for her or the babies. I would not continue to put her through that for my own gain, and I certainly would not pass her off to someone else to do likewise. My ladies and gentlemen, ie brood bitches and studs, can bet their lives that I will make any and all decisions concerning their health, in THEIR best interest. (BTW, i do not put any faith in a vet that indicates this is an acceptable event for any female dog used as a brood bitch. It is NOT a good situation, and is not in the dogs best interest, regardless of what ANYONE says. If she is loosing half her body weight with litters, it is obviously to much strain for her.)

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

My ladies and their health, are my ONLY concern. If I had a female that dropped 1-2 lbs or actually, almost half her body weight, trying to keep her litter fed, I personally would be very distressed about that, and right or wrong, I would not continue to breed that bitch. I make decisions regarding my breeding bitches to do whatever I personally can live with, and I do not feel her loosing half her body weight is a healthy condition for her or the babies. I would not continue to put her through that for my own gain, and I certainly would not pass her off to someone else to do likewise. My ladies and gentlemen, ie brood bitches and studs, can bet their lives that I will make any and all decisions concerning their health, in THEIR best interest. (BTW, i do not put any faith in a vet that indicates this is an acceptable event for any female dog used as a brood bitch. It is NOT a good situation, and is not in the dogs best interest, regardless of what ANYONE says. If she is loosing half her body weight with litters, it is obviously to much strain for her.)

Very well put..