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cheryl000 · 11-03-2005, 09:23 PM

okay.. nm. I saw the old post.
"I am concerned about their size, i wanted to raise some very small pups."
I see now. Just hope everything goes well.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...6&page=2&pp=15

Yorksrule · 11-04-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cheryl000

Did I read that correctly? The mother is 3 1/4 lbs? I thought breeders usually go with a 5+ mother with a smaller male. I am not making an issue, I just simply have never heard of anyone using such a small mother. Is there a chance the puppies might end up with health issues?

Yes the Mother is 3 1/4th lbs. I have raised these small Yorkies for many many years & have never had health issues. You do have to know what you are doing, & you must give the smaller ones more attention to detail. I have never even had one to have a sugar low, never. Have You?

topknot · 11-04-2005, 02:40 PM

Yes, I have seen yorkie pups get hypoglycemia before, infact I saw one die from it. I use to work for a great vet in Florida when I was younger (20 - 25 years of age. This is how I found out about the yorkie breed and fell in love witht them.) Their gums turn white and they get so weak that their heads get real wobbily and they can't hold their bodies up. Their eyes start to roll back in their heads. They just fade away!

Yorkies can get this very easily when very young. The pup I saw past on was just bought by a new owner and was only 8 weeks old and very small. It probably would have been 2.5-3 pounds full grown.
If anyone has a pup to do this get the white Karo syrup or Nuti-Cal in them right away - about a finger full and then rush to the vet is they are very weak. This is why I and most yorkie breeders hold on to our pups till they are 12 weeks of age, so new owners won't ever have to go through this and especially so a pup would never have to have this happen to them. If I have a small pup - I usually hold on to them an extra month (16 weeks) to be sure and will give them some Karo or Nutra-Cal before they walk out the door. I would rather be safe than sorry.
It only takes one time seeing a poor baby go through this to make sure your pups are at least 12 weeks before they leave their home. They are more socialized when they stay home longer too.

T.

txshopper73 · 11-07-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cheryl000

Did I read that correctly? The mother is 3 1/4 lbs? I thought breeders usually go with a 5+ mother with a smaller male.

hhmmmmmmm......... Sorry. You do what you want as a breeder but that is something I would never do nor would I refer anyone to you. JMO

chachi · 11-07-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

hhmmmmmmm......... Sorry. You do what you want as a breeder but that is something I would never do nor would I refer anyone to you. JMO

Me neither!!!! That is awful what you are doing to that poor little female!

Sugar's Mom · 11-07-2005, 03:12 PM

i understand that people are very passionate over their babies but to make an issue everytime someone mentions a small female for breeding or a "teacup" yorkie is just plain mean. i thought this site was for all yorkie people regarless of the size of their dog or bitch. They have just as much right to expect to post here without everyone jumping down their throats as anyone else. There have been times in my short time here that I have wanted to post a question or something but have not done so. It hasn't taken me long to find out that there are two or three people just waiting for posts like this to start something. Please can we all just be considerate and respectful toward one another.

txshopper73 · 11-07-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i understand that people are very passionate over their babies but to make an issue everytime someone mentions a small female for breeding or a "teacup" yorkie is just plain mean. i thought this site was for all yorkie people regarless of the size of their dog or bitch. They have just as much right to expect to post here without everyone jumping down their throats as anyone else. There have been times in my short time here that I have wanted to post a question or something but have not done so. It hasn't taken me long to find out that there are two or three people just waiting for posts like this to start something. Please can we all just be considerate and respectful toward one another.

What I posted is my opinion and I have that right to do so. Just as you have your right to not read the post or reply as you have. Yes, we are very passionate here about our babies but one thing a lot of people here do not agree with is someone that breeds tinies to produce tinies. I'm sorry that you think what I posted is mean. But I cannot and will not condone this being done. There are many that will not post to this thread but behind closed doors will agree with everything that I say. I have not attacked the person or called her any names. As far as those two or three people you're talking about?..... :zip:

chachi · 11-07-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i understand that people are very passionate over their babies but to make an issue everytime someone mentions a small female for breeding or a "teacup" yorkie is just plain mean. i thought this site was for all yorkie people regarless of the size of their dog or bitch. They have just as much right to expect to post here without everyone jumping down their throats as anyone else. There have been times in my short time here that I have wanted to post a question or something but have not done so. It hasn't taken me long to find out that there are two or three people just waiting for posts like this to start something. Please can we all just be considerate and respectful toward one another.

I do not wait for posts like this to respond to. Ask any ethical breeder if it is okay to breed tinies and they will say no. I just said I think its awful that such a small female was breed and it is my opinion that it is. Maybe you dont share that opinion because you yourself have said your going to get a tiny female and breed her. There is very little I give my opinion about but I am very passionate about this. I know a breeder who does this and the female constantly has to have c sections.

cheryl000 · 11-07-2005, 03:52 PM

I'll admit that I'm new here, but I've learned so much. I asked the question wanting to know the breeder's opinion on why she's breeding against the norm. Maybe she didn't know any better? I personally would feel very guilty for putting the mother through that. Certainly her back must be hurting to gain all of the extra weight, and to have multiple c-sections is a horrible thought. I don't think the money is worth it, esspecially if you have to rush a female to the vet in the middle of the night to have her and all her puppies die. Oh yeah, and still have to pay the vet bill.
I really think opinions should be expressed. Otherwise newbies wouldn't know the bad risks of having a tiny or breeding them. I hope anyone who has one tiny in a litter sells it fixed due to breeders like this. I too had wanted a "teacup" but now I've researched them and know all of the risks.
And to the people who say, "Don't make an issue." Well I hope we're grown up enough not to fight and call names, but to express our opinions respectfully. Maybe she has a good reason for it? This isn't a perfect little world where we all agree on everything, it would be very boring if we did. If she chooses to do this, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to stop her. But we can tell her the risks if she doesn't know any better, like if someone else has went through this before.

Sugar's Mom · 11-07-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

I do not wait for posts like this to respond to. Ask any ethical breeder if it is okay to breed tinies and they will say no. I just said I think its awful that such a small female was breed and it is my opinion that it is. Maybe you dont share that opinion because you yourself have said your going to get a tiny female and breed her. There is very little I give my opinion about but I am very passionate about this. I know a breeder who does this and the female constantly has to have c sections.

Yes that is what I posted when I first joined here and before I knew very much about yorkies. I have reconsidered and am currently looking for one that will be at least four ponds or five. My baby will probably only way about three pounds himself and I realize I need a larger female for healthy pups. But if i did have a smaller one, i would certainly think twice before posting about it here. i have a pup (female) contracted that will be born in december. The mom is five or five and a half pounds. the daddy is three and ahalf pounds. i am guessing but i would say my girl will probably be a good breeding size.

i just feel that there is a better way to let people know that it is not healthy to breed for tinies and that teacups are not really teacups. i didn't know those things either until I joined here.

chachi · 11-07-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Yes that is what I posted when I first joined here and before I knew very much about yorkies. I have reconsidered and am currently looking for one that will be at least four ponds or five. My baby will probably only way about three pounds himself and I realize I need a larger female for healthy pups. But if i did have a smaller one, i would certainly think twice before posting about it here. i have a pup (female) contracted that will be born in december. The mom is five or five and a half pounds. the daddy is three and ahalf pounds. i am guessing but i would say my girl will probably be a good breeding size.

i just feel that there is a better way to let people know that it is not healthy to breed for tinies and that teacups are not really teacups. i didn't know those things either until I joined here.

Sugars mom I meant no offense but I am glad to hear you aare getting a larger female. The reason why most breeder that do breed tinies breed them is for the money and they aalready know its wrong to do it but do it anyway. Greed is the motivating factor and their dogs are always overpriced just to prove it.

txshopper73 · 11-07-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Yes that is what I posted when I first joined here and before I knew very much about yorkies. I have reconsidered and am currently looking for one that will be at least four ponds or five. My baby will probably only way about three pounds himself and I realize I need a larger female for healthy pups. But if i did have a smaller one, i would certainly think twice before posting about it here. i have a pup (female) contracted that will be born in december. The mom is five or five and a half pounds. the daddy is three and ahalf pounds. i am guessing but i would say my girl will probably be a good breeding size.

i just feel that there is a better way to let people know that it is not healthy to breed for tinies and that teacups are not really teacups. i didn't know those things either until I joined here.

Well, I'm glad that you are searching for a larger female. A good breeder would not breed anything under 5 lbs. My Gracie is pregnant right now and her pre-pregnancy weight is 5 1/2 lbs and she was bred to a 4 pounder. Her litter is due at the end of the month.

When people first started posting about teacups and the breeding of them, people were a lot nicer about posting to it...but over the months, the same issues come up and people just don't respond as they once did.

Society has classified yorkies into different groups and people are purposely breeding tinies for tinies. The puppies can't be much smaller than a larger bitches pups. Gracie's last litter we had 1 that was 3 ounces 2 at 4 ounces and 1 at 5 ounces. But with a tiny, a 3 ounce pup can be too large for her to pass thus the c-section. It's not like tinies are giving birth to pinkies or something that small.

Once you've been around a while, even your attitude towards certain topics will change. Either you'll ignore them totally as I have or your posts come across as what some would consider rude.

Rebel came from a breeder who's stud was 3 lbs and momma was 5. Rebel is close to 5 lbs now and won't be 6 months old till next week.

wd6474 · 11-07-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorksrule

Your Name: Linda France
Your City, State: Pocola Oklahoma
Your Phone: 918-436-2259
Your Email: Lgo4gold2@wmconnect.com
Yorkies for sale: 2 male pups
Age of Yorkies: 4 wks Nov 7th
Weight of parents: Dad 3#, Mom 3 1/4th
Current weight of Yorkies for sale: 10 & 11 oz.
Registration: AKC
Price: 1,000 each
Do you ship: Yes

These pups will be very small with excellent coats & correct bodies. They will be show quality. The Parents & Grandparents are all small. They are home raised & will be well socialized. They will have all vaccinations & worming & will be vet checked & have a health certificate. A $500.00 deposit will hold & the balance to be paid in full before being shipped or picked up. I live just outside of Fort Smith Ar. I will not let them go until at least 8 wks & maybe longer according to size. Pics are Dad Mom & pups. Mom has the lighter color head & face.

really cute pups. if they are going to be small are you going to neuter them before shipping? i'm debating long and hard about getting another baby. im not sure if i can handle it yet having two, but i hear two is better than one.

crystalsmom · 11-07-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorksrule

Your Name: Linda France
Your City, State: Pocola Oklahoma
Your Phone: 918-436-2259
Your Email: Lgo4gold2@wmconnect.com
Yorkies for sale: 2 male pups
Age of Yorkies: 4 wks Nov 7th
Weight of parents: Dad 3#, Mom 3 1/4th
Current weight of Yorkies for sale: 10 & 11 oz.
Registration: AKC
Price: 1,000 each
Do you ship: Yes

These pups will be very small with excellent coats & correct bodies. They will be show quality. The Parents & Grandparents are all small. They are home raised & will be well socialized. They will have all vaccinations & worming & will be vet checked & have a health certificate. A $500.00 deposit will hold & the balance to be paid in full before being shipped or picked up. I live just outside of Fort Smith Ar. I will not let them go until at least 8 wks & maybe longer according to size. Pics are Dad Mom & pups. Mom has the lighter color head & face.

If I were buying a pup that small, I surely would want a written health
guarantee for at least a year. If I understand correctly a health certificate
states the pup was healthy the day it left the breeder. We have a lot of
very young people on this site that come to us for help and advise and
we are here to give it to them.

cheryl000 · 11-07-2005, 08:15 PM

Yes, Crystalsmom. A health certificate is not the same thing as a written health guarantee. A health certificate is written by a vet stating that a puppy is okay and is a must have in order to ship. Unfortunately I didn't get a health guarantee with Brandy. Does anyone know what to look for in a good health guarantee? hmm maybe we should move this to the general forum so we're not bumping this thread?

11-07-2005, 03:52 PM	#24
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	breeding I'll admit that I'm new here, but I've learned so much. I asked the question wanting to know the breeder's opinion on why she's breeding against the norm. Maybe she didn't know any better? I personally would feel very guilty for putting the mother through that. Certainly her back must be hurting to gain all of the extra weight, and to have multiple c-sections is a horrible thought. I don't think the money is worth it, esspecially if you have to rush a female to the vet in the middle of the night to have her and all her puppies die. Oh yeah, and still have to pay the vet bill. I really think opinions should be expressed. Otherwise newbies wouldn't know the bad risks of having a tiny or breeding them. I hope anyone who has one tiny in a litter sells it fixed due to breeders like this. I too had wanted a "teacup" but now I've researched them and know all of the risks. And to the people who say, "Don't make an issue." Well I hope we're grown up enough not to fight and call names, but to express our opinions respectfully. Maybe she has a good reason for it? This isn't a perfect little world where we all agree on everything, it would be very boring if we did. If she chooses to do this, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to stop her. But we can tell her the risks if she doesn't know any better, like if someone else has went through this before.

11-07-2005, 08:15 PM	#30
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	puppy Yes, Crystalsmom. A health certificate is not the same thing as a written health guarantee. A health certificate is written by a vet stating that a puppy is okay and is a must have in order to ship. Unfortunately I didn't get a health guarantee with Brandy. Does anyone know what to look for in a good health guarantee? hmm maybe we should move this to the general forum so we're not bumping this thread?

11-03-2005, 09:23 PM	#16
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	okay.. nm. I saw the old post. "I am concerned about their size, i wanted to raise some very small pups." I see now. Just hope everything goes well. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...6&page=2&pp=15

11-04-2005, 02:40 PM	#18
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Yes, I have seen yorkie pups get hypoglycemia before, infact I saw one die from it. I use to work for a great vet in Florida when I was younger (20 - 25 years of age. This is how I found out about the yorkie breed and fell in love witht them.) Their gums turn white and they get so weak that their heads get real wobbily and they can't hold their bodies up. Their eyes start to roll back in their heads. They just fade away! Yorkies can get this very easily when very young. The pup I saw past on was just bought by a new owner and was only 8 weeks old and very small. It probably would have been 2.5-3 pounds full grown. If anyone has a pup to do this get the white Karo syrup or Nuti-Cal in them right away - about a finger full and then rush to the vet is they are very weak. This is why I and most yorkie breeders hold on to our pups till they are 12 weeks of age, so new owners won't ever have to go through this and especially so a pup would never have to have this happen to them. If I have a small pup - I usually hold on to them an extra month (16 weeks) to be sure and will give them some Karo or Nutra-Cal before they walk out the door. I would rather be safe than sorry. It only takes one time seeing a poor baby go through this to make sure your pups are at least 12 weeks before they leave their home. They are more socialized when they stay home longer too. T.

11-07-2005, 03:12 PM	#21
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	i understand that people are very passionate over their babies but to make an issue everytime someone mentions a small female for breeding or a "teacup" yorkie is just plain mean. i thought this site was for all yorkie people regarless of the size of their dog or bitch. They have just as much right to expect to post here without everyone jumping down their throats as anyone else. There have been times in my short time here that I have wanted to post a question or something but have not done so. It hasn't taken me long to find out that there are two or three people just waiting for posts like this to start something. Please can we all just be considerate and respectful toward one another.