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[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Vaccines ARE effective and should be used properly for every puppy. Until there is factual information as to anything otherwise, you are misinforming alot of people. If you choose to personally NOT vaccinate your dogs I have to say thats your stupidity. Unless you live in a 100% germ free enviornment, clean constantly with bleach and dont take you pets outside at all your leaving an open door for them to get deathly ill.

Exactly, and how about when those puppies go to their new home, no protection. I would never buy a dog from a breeder like you.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

And you are believing what other people are saying. I'm sorry, but, puppies need their vaccinations.

i realize this opens a can of worms, and everyone must educate themselves .
but, popular opinion is not always the best way to go...i cannot follow the crowd on this one.. it is too important.. i am sorry you dont agree.
but, i will not continue to harm my pets when i know the truth about vaccines... it is the vaccine companies and the vets who refuse to test these vaccines...it really is about the money for them.... just like the dangerous dog foods we all know about now,,... 5 or 10 or 20 years ago, no one thought animal by products were a bad thing..
i hope those giving vaccines will do more research before filling another syringe..

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Exactly, and how about when those puppies go to their new home, no protection. I would never buy a dog from a breeder like you.

I agree buying a puppy from a breeder who doesn't properly vaccinate is asking for troubles. I really think she needs to stop before she misinforms any more people and inadvertantly hurts a helpless puppy too.

[jrwatt]

Originally Posted by cesar49

... you are just believing the old vet... and the same old lies they believe...following the crowd... i choose to not poison my pets any longer...

Let it go Jen. We have already weighed both sides of the issue, they just want to be right. The proof is in the pudding, Babe and we have good pudding.

The bottom line is that THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET. Every approach leaves room for disease because there is no fountain of youth.

Those who treat their pets holistically choose to strengthen the immune system in order to fight invading viruses.

Those who treat allopathically choose to artificially stimulate T-cell to fight diseases.

We are all concerned about the well-being of the breed which is clearly our unifying force.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i realize this opens a can of worms, and everyone must educate themselves .
but, popular opinion is not always the best way to go...i cannot follow the crowd on this one.. it is too important.. i am sorry you dont agree.
but, i will not continue to harm my pets when i know the truth about vaccines... it is the vaccine companies and the vets who refuse to test these vaccines...it really is about the money for them.... just like the dangerous dog foods we all know about now,,... 5 or 10 or 20 years ago, no one thought animal by products were a bad thing..
i hope those giving vaccines will do more research before filling another syringe..

You are really starting to make me very mad. You need to stop this insanity already before you hurt anyones puppy with your misinformation. What you do with your own dogs is your business unfortunately we cannot help them, but we can help others here from being so misinformed that you hurt their puppy with your crazy NON-FACTUAL Crusade!!

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Exactly, and how about when those puppies go to their new home, no protection. I would never buy a dog from a breeder like you.

actually, i am looking for homes where they will not be poisoned...
with what i have learned recently, my pets will not be reproducing anymore.
i have had 4 litters and expecting our 5th litter.. my females will be spayed
very soon.. i have learned a lot in the past 3 years.as a new breeder..times have changed...and breeding more puppies is not a good idea... but, i am very satisfied with my decision to not hurt them with unnecessary vaccines...
i will be waiting many years before breeding if i ever do again... i am considerring the holistic path of raising my pets using the raw diet
and no more vaccines... there is a large group of people who are successfully raising dogs without vaccines.. producing healthy vigorous lines without diseases introduced into their genetic make up...
if you take the time to read about natural immunity and try to understand
why vaccines are dangerous, then maybe you will understand..
but, just going with the flow will not help anyone understand why ...

if you are interested in learning, send me a pm with your email, and i can send you a book pdf file...explaining the science...

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i realize this opens a can of worms, and everyone must educate themselves .
but, popular opinion is not always the best way to go...i cannot follow the crowd on this one.. it is too important.. i am sorry you dont agree.
but, i will not continue to harm my pets when i know the truth about vaccines... it is the vaccine companies and the vets who refuse to test these vaccines...it really is about the money for them.... just like the dangerous dog foods we all know about now,,... 5 or 10 or 20 years ago, no one thought animal by products were a bad thing..
i hope those giving vaccines will do more research before filling another syringe..

Do you have children? If so, did they have all their shots as babies? Would you have thought twice about NOT vaccinating your children against diseases?

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Do you have children? If so, did they have all their shots as babies? Would you have thought twice about NOT vaccinating your children against diseases?

have you ever heard of autism? do you realize how widespread autism has become? i have a grandson, age 2, and he has been vaccinated...all my kids have been vaccinated...the whole freakin world has been vaccinated...
do some research...

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by cesar49

have you ever heard of autism? do you realize how widespread autism has become? i have a grandson, age 2, and he has been vaccinated...all my kids have been vaccinated...the whole freakin world has been vaccinated...
do some research...

I know we've all been vaccinated. I am glad I was too, because without being vaccinated, most of us probably wouldn't have existed by now! You don't want any of your puppies having shots, and if the people that are buying your dogs and listening to you, they won't ever be able to take the pups to get groomed, or be boarded out, because in order to do that, they have to have their shots, and if they do get them in to a groomer without their shots and the pup gets sick and dies, it's no ones fault but yours and the people who have bought their dogs from you and abided by what you want and not what's best for the pups. And as far as autism, yes, I have heard of it, and no one knows what is causing autism.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

I know we've all been vaccinated. I am glad I was too, because without being vaccinated, most of us probably wouldn't have existed by now! You don't want any of your puppies having shots, and if the people that are buying your dogs and listening to you, they won't ever be able to take the pups to get groomed, or be boarded out, because in order to do that, they have to have their shots, and if they do get them in to a groomer without their shots and the pup gets sick and dies, it's no ones fault but yours and the people who have bought their dogs from you and abided by what you want and not what's best for the pups. And as far as autism, yes, I have heard of it, and no one knows what is causing autism.

I'm sure that's covered in her health guarantee.

For the record...the reason polio has been eradicated is soley because of vaccinations.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by cesar49

have you ever heard of autism? do you realize how widespread autism has become? i have a grandson, age 2, and he has been vaccinated...all my kids have been vaccinated...the whole freakin world has been vaccinated...
do some research...

I've got to say I'm pretty infuriated by your post. I grew up at a time when Polio was still very much a threat and many children I knew were getting it, it was thought a death sentence an if you survived you would be severely handicapped by it. Do some research on the small pox, and what a terrible disease that is as well. Many third world countries are still suffering from diseases because of the cost of vaccines. Do a search on vaccines and Africa, "the whole freakin world has not been vaccinated." With anything we do in life there is some risk, scientist measure the probability of the risk involved, and hands down the benefits of vaccines clearly outweigh the risks. You are choosing to ignore scientific evidence, as well as educated breeders, and pet owners. To not protect your dogs against an excruciatingly painful illness is extremely negligent. My guess is that you really know better, but the breeding game didn't make much money for you, so now you'll become a holistic dealer, and try to make money off of other ignorant people.

[bjh]

I think the parvo vaccination is absolutely necessary but as was stated before, timing is essential.

New Vaccine Protocol, Puppy Shots and Why Outdated Schedule Does Not Work! TheDogPlace Project: Vaccines!

The following is from the above website

Puppies receive antibodies through their mother’s milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced.

Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the first highly effective vaccine.

Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the Immune system.

Those unknowledgeable breeders that continue to vaccinate puppies under 8 weeks are creating a false security for puppy buyers. I was at my vets today and they said they have been seeing lots of parvo in puppies lately. One reason puppies are more susceptible is because stress lowers their immune system allows the parvo to manifest itself. Weaning and going to a new home is a very stressful period for a puppy and that is another reason yorkie puppies should not be sold at a young age. Also the puppy buyer must understand that the puppies should not be allowed on the ground until they have received all their vaccinations.

[jrwatt]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

My guess is that you really know better, but the breeding game didn't make much money for you, so now you'll become a holistic dealer, and try to make money off of other ignorant people.

This is plain rude. Knowing Jen personally and owning one of her dogs I have to say in her defense that this is completely incorrect and insurmountably arrogant. She does NOT breed for money, she holds a highly respectable position in the medical field. Her dogs are treated like family members, she treats her buyers like family members and she is treating the people attacking her in this forum with more condescension than they have earned as well.
Also being a certified health practitioner I am certain that we have more access to RECENT research and experience than the majority and on these principles and the advice of OUR VETRINARIANS and other PROFESSIONALS we have based decisions that have improved the health of our famililes and dogpacks.
If you insist on defending your allopathic stance let it be with documented research from medical and vetrinary professionals and not sleezy character attacks on those that contradict your conception of reality.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by jrwatt

This is plain rude. Knowing Jen personally and owning one of her dogs I have to say in her defense that this is completely incorrect and insurmountably arrogant. She does NOT breed for money, she holds a highly respectable position in the medical field. Her dogs are treated like family members, she treats her buyers like family members and she is treating the people attacking her in this forum with more condescension than they have earned as well.
Also being a certified health practitioner I am certain that we have more access to RECENT research and experience than the majority and on these principles and the advice of OUR VETRINARIANS and other PROFESSIONALS we have based decisions that have improved the health of our famililes and dogpacks.
If you insist on defending your allopathic stance let it be with documented research from medical and vetrinary professionals and not sleezy character attacks on those that contradict your conception of reality.

Anyone that is in the "health field" should realize that certain vaccinations are necessary to keep us healthy. I just hope and pray that your pup stays healthy, and that in a few mos. I'm not reading on here about it being sick or dying because it was not given it's proper vaccines

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i ask you to understand that this is very serious...if vaccines are causing damage, why would anyone continue? you obviously believe they are safe because you have not done any research into natural immunity or the dangers of vaccines... you are just believing the old vet... and the same old lies they believe...following the crowd... i choose to not poison my pets
any longer...

I do understand that it is very serious--that is why so many people have commented on the subject. And trust me, I have done my research too on both sides of the coin and consider sources other than just my vet. (Should I go into details about the Doberman I accompany to acupuncture treatments who has been treated successfully by that, massage treatment and holistic herbs for 10+ years now vs having the vet recommended surgery.) I am open to all forms of treatment and take the time to educate myself on those that apply to my dogs. Some I've researched and decided not to mess around with.
It all boils down to a matter of preference. You have already contradicted yourself and proven that there were holes in your own research, posted links to back up your claims of "new threats" without reading them first and the sources were years old and from non reliable sources--yet you are criticizing others for their research and knowledge of the subject...a subject which you have only in previous months become an advocate of. (evident by your own admission recent puppyfind listings regarding vaccinating your pups)

The concern people have is that others will read everything and take it for fact and make serious decisions for their dogs based on inadequate sources that have been cited. Nothing more. Everyone is open to learning more about healthier alternatives, but when the facts cannot be presented...it makes people doubt and wonder...