AKC Female Proven Breeder, Debarked and House Trained - Page 3 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

kalina82 · 12-09-2007, 06:32 PM

debarking is cruel no matter which way you slice it. i compare it to declawing. both are not necessary procedures. neither lengthen the pets lives or helps prevent disease (like S/N does). both of these procedures are usually done to appease the owner. dog doesn't shup up - debark it. cat claw furniture - declaw it. not nice in either case. why get an animal if you are going to do something like this to it. dogs bark, cats claw. its natural. you can train them not to do either of these things, i dont' care what that first sight posted said.

i wasn't going to say anything about your reasons for selling but since it was brought up, i don't see how you can sell your favorite girl. And your selling her as a 'good producer' and a ' valuable breeding dog'. just doesn't seem right. she's already been rehomed once. why not spay her and keep her? or spay her and find her a new home?

kalina82 · 12-09-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

I have a friend who rescued a debarked girl and she needed a surgical procedure done and they couldnt do it because they couldnt get their smallest tube down her throat for anesthesia from all the scar tissue from debarking. Poor girl had so many problems

HUGE problem with debarked dogs. its very hard to get an tracheal tube in them....

jrsygal37 · 12-09-2007, 06:34 PM

I'm sorry. I posted very mild a bit ago but I'm really bothered by this and need to just say it as I meant it. It's clear that this girl was just a $$ to everyone she's been in contact with. She no longer fits into your plans? She's been debarked - not by you though by her previous owner? She was however been your best house dog and of course your best producer. Oh and let's not forget she can stand to go on a diet. Valuable breeding dog. I think that says it all. So sad. So very sad and I really hope that someone here takes her, has her spayed and shows her how to just be someone's loved and cherished pet. Elaine

yorkiekist · 12-09-2007, 06:36 PM

I know where Pinehaven is coming from. As breeders, we cant keep them all. The house would be over-run by Yorkies and eventually, none of them would be treated correctly. I have placed two of my "older" girls after they were spayed. They didnt produce the qualities I was looking for. Both were still young,(4 and 5) and got very loving homes. I get frequent up-dates.Please dont get me wrong as this wasnt an easy decision, but it was best for the girls.

jrsygal37 · 12-09-2007, 06:36 PM

And you know what really aggrevates me even more is the fact that you advertise her as being debarked as if it's a perk. You've got to be kidding me. E.

Chrissy0277 · 12-09-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I know where Pinehaven is coming from. As breeders, we cant keep them all. The house would be over-run by Yorkies and eventually, none of them would be treated correctly. I have placed two of my "older" girls after they were spayed. They didnt produce the qualities I was looking for. Both were still young,(4 and 5) and got very loving homes. I get frequent up-dates.Please dont get me wrong as this wasnt an easy decision, but it was best for the girls.

I understand breeders do this but would you sell your UNSPAYED girl for 1500 dollars and list them as a potential breeding dog?

yorkiekist · 12-09-2007, 06:43 PM

No, absolutely not. I dont want any of my girls to fall into the puppymill/byb arena. I only want loving family homes for them.

Lorraine · 12-09-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I'm sorry. I posted very mild a bit ago but I'm really bothered by this and need to just say it as I meant it. It's clear that this girl was just a $$ to everyone she's been in contact with. She no longer fits into your plans? She's been debarked - not by you though by her previous owner? She was however been your best house dog and of course your best producer. Oh and let's not forget she can stand to go on a diet. Valuable breeding dog. I think that says it all. So sad. So very sad and I really hope that someone here takes her, has her spayed and shows her how to just be someone's loved and cherished pet. Elaine

and without being someone's new 'producer'. She looks like a lovley YOrkie but even if she were butt ugly she still deserves a loving home. I can't keep all mine either if I am no longer breeding them or even if I never bred them if they didn't turn out what i was looking for BUT they are never sold to someone else to breed. They are spayed/neutered and placed in a great pet home. I visit mine after rehoming and they are doing awesome and have a great life.
And why start to breed for wrong colour? Odd.

Lorraine · 12-09-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

I understand breeders do this but would you sell your UNSPAYED girl for 1500 dollars and list them as a potential breeding dog?

NEVER!

Pinehaven · 12-09-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

It's not that Yorkies are not "supposed to" be that color. They were born that way. She didn't alter their DNA. Just as humans have different skin tones/hair color/etc, Yorkies have different colors to their hair. Just because judges of a club say so, doesn't mean their word is bond. Granted, the "standard" Yorkie is said to be certain colors/weight/etc. to win in a show ring, but sometimes Yorkies are born with what some think are faults, but that doesn't mean that they are not supposed to be like that.

Thank you - it's too bad that so many are blind and deaf when it comes to genetics - they don't want to see and they don't want to hear.

Chrissy0277 · 12-09-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

No, absolutely not. I dont want any of my girls to fall into the puppymill/byb arena. I only want loving family homes for them.

Chrissy0277 · 12-09-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

and without being someone's new 'producer'. She looks like a lovley YOrkie but even if she were butt ugly she still deserves a loving home. I can't keep all mine either if I am no longer breeding them or even if I never bred them if they didn't turn out what i was looking for BUT they are never sold to someone else to breed. They are spayed/neutered and placed in a great pet home. I visit mine after rehoming and they are doing awesome and have a great life.
And why start to breed for wrong colour? Odd.

Cause its the "designer" and "trendy" thing to do

Lorraine · 12-09-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Thank you - it's too bad that so many are blind and deaf when it comes to genetics - they don't want to see and they don't want to hear.

The Yorkie does not carry the gene for tri colour according to the parent club and it is mostly believed a cross occured.
Chocolate, gold (running gold so much into the blue it looks gold) are carried in the genes of the YOrkie.
They are wrong colour however and as such, not something that should be endeavoured to breed for.
Breed standards for the purebreds exist for a reason regardless of the breed you are talking about. Some colours are not acceptable in some breeds although they may genetically carry the colour. It isn't a new concept.
IMO, breeding for the 'rare' and wrong colours ran rampant when it was discovered much higher prices would be paid for producing wrong colours. It isn't for the betterment of the breed, it is for the filling of the pocket book and also because the world of the purebred dog and the breed standards concept is not understood by those that perpetuate dogs that are not being bred towards the standards.
Argue all you wish, that is my opinion and hopefully, others will think about it if nothing else.

yorkiekist · 12-09-2007, 07:47 PM

I dont think that anybody is "blind and deaf" to genetics. Most breeders follow the standard and dont want it changed.

jrsygal37 · 12-09-2007, 07:55 PM

I think everyone's is wasting their breath posting about right or wrong. This woman is after one thing and one thing only. The almighty dollar. She's already defended debarking by inserting a link to a site that defends it. She's already made it clear that this girl is a potential money maker because after all she's been her best producer. She has no concern that "Her Favorite" girl will end up in the hands of a puppymill or byb. This is obvious in her advertising her as a good producer. If this is her favorite I'd certainly hate to see her least favorite. Just my .02 and if this post is not acceptable sorry but I'm so fed up with people. E.

12-09-2007, 06:32 PM	#31
kalina82 Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: with my yorkie baby Posts: 10,141 Blog Entries: 1	debarking is cruel no matter which way you slice it. i compare it to declawing. both are not necessary procedures. neither lengthen the pets lives or helps prevent disease (like S/N does). both of these procedures are usually done to appease the owner. dog doesn't shup up - debark it. cat claw furniture - declaw it. not nice in either case. why get an animal if you are going to do something like this to it. dogs bark, cats claw. its natural. you can train them not to do either of these things, i dont' care what that first sight posted said. i wasn't going to say anything about your reasons for selling but since it was brought up, i don't see how you can sell your favorite girl. And your selling her as a 'good producer' and a ' valuable breeding dog'. just doesn't seem right. she's already been rehomed once. why not spay her and keep her? or spay her and find her a new home? __________________ Kellie and Morgan

12-09-2007, 06:34 PM	#33
jrsygal37 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,370	I'm sorry. I posted very mild a bit ago but I'm really bothered by this and need to just say it as I meant it. It's clear that this girl was just a $$ to everyone she's been in contact with. She no longer fits into your plans? She's been debarked - not by you though by her previous owner? She was however been your best house dog and of course your best producer. Oh and let's not forget she can stand to go on a diet. Valuable breeding dog. I think that says it all. So sad. So very sad and I really hope that someone here takes her, has her spayed and shows her how to just be someone's loved and cherished pet. Elaine

12-09-2007, 06:36 PM	#34
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	I know where Pinehaven is coming from. As breeders, we cant keep them all. The house would be over-run by Yorkies and eventually, none of them would be treated correctly. I have placed two of my "older" girls after they were spayed. They didnt produce the qualities I was looking for. Both were still young,(4 and 5) and got very loving homes. I get frequent up-dates.Please dont get me wrong as this wasnt an easy decision, but it was best for the girls.

12-09-2007, 06:43 PM	#37
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	No, absolutely not. I dont want any of my girls to fall into the puppymill/byb arena. I only want loving family homes for them.

12-09-2007, 07:47 PM	#44
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	I dont think that anybody is "blind and deaf" to genetics. Most breeders follow the standard and dont want it changed.

12-09-2007, 07:55 PM	#45
jrsygal37 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,370	I think everyone's is wasting their breath posting about right or wrong. This woman is after one thing and one thing only. The almighty dollar. She's already defended debarking by inserting a link to a site that defends it. She's already made it clear that this girl is a potential money maker because after all she's been her best producer. She has no concern that "Her Favorite" girl will end up in the hands of a puppymill or byb. This is obvious in her advertising her as a good producer. If this is her favorite I'd certainly hate to see her least favorite. Just my .02 and if this post is not acceptable sorry but I'm so fed up with people. E.