AKC Female Proven Breeder, Debarked and House Trained

[Chrissy0277]

So now that she has a new home.... Was she worth the $1500 she was sold for?
I feel for this girl

[lisatodd]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

The Yorkie does not carry the gene for tri colour according to the parent club and it is mostly believed a cross occured.
Chocolate, gold (running gold so much into the blue it looks gold) are carried in the genes of the YOrkie.
They are wrong colour however and as such, not something that should be endeavoured to breed for.
Breed standards for the purebreds exist for a reason regardless of the breed you are talking about. Some colours are not acceptable in some breeds although they may genetically carry the colour. It isn't a new concept.
IMO, breeding for the 'rare' and wrong colours ran rampant when it was discovered much higher prices would be paid for producing wrong colours. It isn't for the betterment of the breed, it is for the filling of the pocket book and also because the world of the purebred dog and the breed standards concept is not understood by those that perpetuate dogs that are not being bred towards the standards.
Argue all you wish, that is my opinion and hopefully, others will think about it if nothing else.

absolutly correct.....if there were no money to be made off of these "parti", no one would be breeding them. the only reason to breed them is for the $$$.
it's sad to see how yorkies are being bred these days. i see so many that don't even look like yorkies.

[kosoma]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I always find it interesting when constructive opinions in the best interest of a living creature is construed as judgements. I have always found it to be the first argument of someone perhaps feeling a little guilty?
There apparently is a legend, First Nations legend I have been told, that at Heaven's Gate are the dogs that have gone before us that while they were on earth had been in the charge of the now departed . Depending on how the dog was treated by its master on earth will determine if the dog will allow the departed into Heaven.
Nice legend, wish it were true. Maybe it is.

I am not acquainted with anyone posting in this thread, so have no bias here. But I do have to say that as I read through the posts, I did think, 'wow, they are really attacking her.'

So it's not just the original poster who felt that she was being attacked.

It seems like this is quite common here--I have been reading for several weeks now, trying to get a feel for this board before becoming involved. And there is definitely a very narrow view of nearly everything. Yorkies, breeders, and owners are expected to be cookie cutter copies of each other, with only a very narrow definition of what constitutes an acceptable form of each.

I don't disagree with many of the points made at all, in fact I agree with many. This post is not defending or promoting any one view. However, it saddens me that anyone who disagrees with the "accepted" view is labeled inhumane, a bad owner, bad breeder, or puppymill. Often this label is applied on the basis of inference made from a post, and no real facts at all.

By no means do I feel that anyone should not post their view; that's what this board is for. But I do feel that each person's post should be responded to with respect and courtesy. And it is not respectful to arbitrarily label a person as inhumane on the basis of "facts" gleaned from one paragraph.

I fully expect that many of you will disagree with this post. And that is your absolute right, just as it is my right to have this opinion of this board.

[Pinehaven]

So here's the gist of this thread -

Anyone who re-homes a relatively "young" dog without spaying or neutering is not reputable.

ALL reputable breeders will spay/neuter their dogs.

Anyone who breeds outside the standard, is unethical and not reputable.

That people who breed outside the standards is in it only for the money.

That only champion yorkies are worthy of being be bred.

Debarking (and declawing) is cruel and an unnecessary elective procedure - these procedures are preformed under anesthesia.

That "I" don't have the best interest for my dogs.
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Not ALL reputable breeders spay and neuter their dogs - that's a general assumption and completely and totally untrue.

Everyone who breeds outside the standards is in it just for the money - again that's an incorrect assumption and could easily be construed as a slanderous statement when directed at an individual breeder.

Some want to try to "right" a "wrong" and some just love the color. These colors have been here for 100+ years, they are coming out of 2 traditional colored, AKC registered Yorkies. Maybe we won't see them in the show ring any time soon, but they deserve to have the same rights as any other yorkie. And again, just because your dog isn't parti colored, does not mean it does not carry the gene and with as much white as I see on many traditional yorkie pups I can pretty much guarantee, we'll be seeing parti color showing up in many more lines.

The Yorkie has been in the top 10 breed list for a while now and most are owned in pet homes. If only champion yorkies were allowed to reproduce, the yorkie would not have been as popular, simply because the supply would not meet the demand.

I haven't heard one person say that tail cropping which is also an elective, unnecessary and in some places a banned procedure, which is done with no anesthesia, as being a cruel or unethical thing? So it's ok to preform one unnecessary and cruel procedure but not another? From what I'm told it takes an extremely skilled vet to preform a debark, not many will debark for that reason but I guess any surgery takes skill and a number of dogs have been lost during a routine spaying procedure. I personally wouldn't debark one of my own dogs but I live on 5 acres and unlike some I don't have to worry about my barking dog disturbing the adjoining apartment or townhouse neighbor.

As for my reasons for selling her, I think I explained that in the beginning and I listed all of the qualities that I thought would help find this girl the best home, whether it be an apartment renter or a small breeder who's dogs are a part of the family and who live and have run of the home like mine do. It's my screening that will determine where she will go and what home will be best for her - no one elses.

So feel free to belittle someone you know nothing about, feel free to twist and contort the truth when you have no facts - only negative assumptions and vindictiveness. If it makes you feel better - Judge away but there's only one Judge who's opinion matters to me and he said:

"Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness against thy Neighbor"

So judge as you may but be aware that you to are being Judged as you do.

With this I'm going to see if the Admin will end this classified listing!

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Regardless of the situation ... or the rantings .... (I haven't read the full thread, and don't particularly care to... I know how it goes.... "been there, done that"...) I do hope that you are able to find your little girl a wonderful forever home.... she is a beautiful girl and would be a blessing to any family!

I can tell from the tone of this last post of yours, that your experience here has been less than "affectionate".... it's a shame that the one place you probably thought you'd find the best home for your girl... turned out to be a place you no longer care to set foot (or fingertips!! ) in again!

All the best to you both!

[jrsygal37]

Pinhaven. Since I was one that made the stink over debarking; For the record I do not believe in tail docking either. Given the choice I'd leave my babies tails in tact. You seem to really defend the debarking. Makes me wonder if it weren't you that actually had it performed.

I hope your girl found a home where she's cherished by "MY" standard of cherished and not yours and that she does not just end up being another $$ in someone's pocket. And, yes a reputable breeder WILL have their pets spayed or neutered to prevent them from ending up in the hands of a puppymill or byb.

It was evident from your first post that you did not care where she ended up as long as you got your $$. Bleed every last penny you can get from her. I guess being your best producer wasn't enough to earn her the right to lay back and relax as someone's pet. Elaine

[mojo]

"That only champion yorkies are worthy of being be bred" -


Not sure that everyone is necessarily saying that, but I can say from personal experience, there are a lot of breeders in it only for the money and not using good quality dogs (not saying you at all, of course I don't know you).

I have one dog that has a severe roach back and luxating patellas who walks hunched over and seems to be very uncomfortable.
My other yorkie has addisons disease which seems to be genetic. I nearly lost her and it has cost me thousands to have her treated.

So I think there are a lot of unscrupulous breeders in it for the money which causes much heartbreak.

I would also like to say there were some personal attacks which I believe is against the rules. Lets be a little more welcoming and understanding. You can get a message across without attacking people.

[Chrissy0277]

One reason dogs should be bred within the standard. Yes this is a fault but this "fault" is causing this one little boy to be in severe pain

http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/...?petid=9642542

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by mojo

" I would also like to say there were some personal attacks which I believe is against the rules. Lets be a little more welcoming and understanding. You can get a message across without attacking people.

I cannot speak about the "Attacks" on whether her dog is good quality or not. Personally, that is the last of my concern. It breaks my heart to see this girl advertised as 1. Being debarked as if this is a good selling point - something to be happy for. 2. Advertised as and i quote "Not only has Tasha been my best house dog, she's been my best producer. She free whelps, is easy to breed and is a great mother." and a further quote " "she'll also be a valuable breeding dog." Personal attack maybe, but when someone posts on an open forum posting as if they are selling breeding stock then I think that person has opened the door for the attacks. I just wonder being her best producer, just how many litters this poor girl in three years has had to pop out and yet she still has not earned her right to rest. Call it a personal attack but if people don't speak up for the righs of animals - no one will. Elaine.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I cannot speak about the "Attacks" on whether her dog is good quality or not. Personally, that is the last of my concern. It breaks my heart to see this girl advertised as 1. Being debarked as if this is a good selling point - something to be happy for. 2. Advertised as and i quote "Not only has Tasha been my best house dog, she's been my best producer. She free whelps, is easy to breed and is a great mother." and a further quote " "she'll also be a valuable breeding dog." Personal attack maybe, but when someone posts on an open forum posting as if they are selling breeding stock then I think that person has opened the door for the attacks. I just wonder being her best producer, just how many litters this poor girl in three years has had to pop out and yet she still has not earned her right to rest. Call it a personal attack but if people don't speak up for the righs of animals - no one will. Elaine.

But with people like you who cross post lies, twist every word into something it wasn't meant to be and truly have nothing but evil and wicked things to say about something you know nothing about, you seem to do a very good job of making up the stories to fill in between the lines.

And Yup you said it, this was a personal attack - lies, slander, defaming based all on demented, ignorant and careless assumptions.

When I post, I try to do it with respect and dignity. I use facts and not assumptions and I try to post information that shows more than one side of an idea or opinion. If that automatically makes me "on the side of something" that's again your wrong opinion - I look at it as having an open mind about something and trying to learn as much as I can about a subject. Seems like some only want to start a fight, sling mud and make up lies. I agree to disagree with some people and ideas, but respect their views. What I don't respect is someone who publicly attacks, bullies, can't act like an adult or makes up stories based on false assumptions and not facts.

The defaming and "Personal attack" as you have admitted to doing, is against YT policy, not to mention a potential Lawsuit waiting to happen - this isn't a threat but please be careful how your "attack" because some day someone may not take your twisted criticism, lies and story making as nicely as I do.

I've requested 3 times that this thread be closed, so let me try for number 4.

[gutu28]

You said this girl has already found a home..can I just innocently ask whether or not she'll be a breeder again with her new home?