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08-09-2011, 12:40 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: madison wisconsin
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| i need some input can you breeders and show exhibitors please give me insight on all this and what to do and maybe how to handle all this, I had felt like i did all I was suppose to before i got the dog and now I not so sure and I don't know how to handle this from here out??? and how can i find a good breeder show exhibitor to mentor me?? and what i should do with the puppy I just got we will keep her and love her no matter what but if she does come from the lines i was told she is from should i down the road even consider breeding her?? i don't think she has any issues that can't be fixed and won't effect her off spring that is even from my vet and trainers but I don't want to do anything unethical or wrong from the breeds standpoint... please just help me do the right things I don't want to be having any of these issues if and when I am starting my breed show program....i need help and guidance!! don't be to mean to me it won't be helpful lol and i am honestly wanting to do things right!!! i want you all to know too i had had my daughter showing in juniors we showed for a breeder to try it out and loved it but yorkies have my heart!!(pugs is what we handled) and i have done rescue or the last 13 years and i also groom and train dogs as well as use dogs for service animals!! so i have some knowledge in how things should be!!! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ed-rescue.html my story is on that forum and i have some photos on my profile please kindly help me do the right things on my end!! |
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08-09-2011, 01:06 PM | #2 | |
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08-09-2011, 02:00 PM | #3 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Here is how I replied to another poster with a similar question: How exciting! You are only 26 yrs old, loads of time to study, to meet and garner relationships in the show world and obedience/rally/agility world. And yes you will pick your mentor carefully, as carefully as she/he will agree to mentor you. Essentially the best way is to earn the trust and respect of a reputable breeder; to sit at their feet and learn from them. So starting with a solid foundation in terms of breeding stock, will be eased in for you, by your reputable breeder/mentor. And don't be surprised the first female or male of her, or another's line will for sure be co-owned. With strict rules about breeding and how your relationship in terms of this line and this dog will work. And you will by this time have helped to championship one or two of your breeders dogs, and will be entrusted to Championship one or two of your own dogs. So for you right now, it is study study study time. Attend shows, learn the lines by examining pedigrees, take courses on genetics, read everything you can about the standard, take courses on structure, start to develop an "eye for a dog". Learn all you can and keep that learning current about the health problems of Yorkies. Ask lots of questions of everyone. Become a known face at the shows. Okay because I'm kind of a person who likes structure; here are some of the arenas you want to learn and develop over time an expertise in; Standard: Study it inside and out. Know it's contents by heart. Structure: Train your eye to observe a dog moving. Train your hands to palpate the dog. First get to know the terms, then to intellectually understand them. For eg: roach backed, rolling, straight shoulders, sickle hocked, toeing in or out, narrow/deep chest, low tailset, gay tail, earset, top loin, loin, croup, etc etc. There are many good books on a dogs structure. Head shape, bite. Movement: How to recognize correct movement for the Yorkshire terrier. Seeing movement faults. Coat and color Temperament: what are the temperament tests; compare contrast. Showing in the ring: How to, what judges look for Genetics: Inheritance factors, basic genetic terms, such as recessive, dominant polygenetic, etc. What are the Yorkies health concerns thought to be from a genetic base? How to understand a pedigree, what are the health databases, and what do they show? Health concerns of Yorkies. What are they? Their inheritance factors, their commonality, their rareness? Breeding a huge topic which links all of the above, plus health screenings, care of the pregnanat bitch, successful whelping and rearing of puppies, screening potential buyers,etc etc. And most important before all of the above; Why do you want to breed? To become an excellent breeder, takes years of not only the studying as elaborated above, but also by breeding, by showing. If you have a passion to leave this breed better than when you found it; is an admirable goal. Breeding this pup you purchased? You at this point have no authority to do so. You have not straightened out nor signed a contract with the seller. You have not come to terms with her on any of the terms of the contract, including breeding. Right now I don;t even know if you have a bill of sale, to help to prove ownership. Will you champion this girl? Do all the health checks and tests? How to find a mentor? If you do a search on this forum, you will see this question has been asked and some answers provided. For example: 1) Join a breed specific club if none in your area; then an all breed club 2) Go to shows meet the breeders 3) Join if you haven't already an obedience/rally/agility club, some Yorkie breeders do actually compete in this venue. 4) Attend every specialty you can. 5) Are you a member of the YTCA? if not why not?
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08-09-2011, 02:32 PM | #4 | |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: madison wisconsin
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08-09-2011, 02:47 PM | #5 | |
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08-09-2011, 03:07 PM | #6 |
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| The contract she sent you cover her not you. I would not sign it. I say cut your losses and get your puppy spayed. For $1250 you weren't going to get a show potential pup, that is more like a pet quality price. If you are upset you lost $1250 on a dog you can't show, you definitely shouldn't want to breed her. You'll just end up with more dogs that are not show worthy and plus you'd have to give pick of the litter back to Glenda, plus she wouldn't have to pay for any whelping supplies, vet care, all the other stuff that makes breeding extremely expensive! If you want to start your own breeding program you need to find a mentor first. Then you can find a dog.
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08-09-2011, 03:16 PM | #7 | |
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1. Health guarantee - there is none stipulated in contract. What about if your girl has a type of structural defect which precludes breeding? Umblicial hernia? Uterine wall abnormality? Absent or missing ovaries? And then of course all the other Yorkie health concerns: LP, Leggs Perthes, ED, HD, LS? etc. Or quite simply is just not breed worth? Just exactly under what understanding did you purchase a pup from Glenda on? About her health have you checked out with the breeder and the databases what health checks have been done? Investigated the horizontal and vertical lineage? Has the vet done a real through examination with the knowledge that you were/are planning on breeding her? What were her BATS at 6mths old? Perhaps there is a breeder friend you can talk to, to help bring clarity to this situation.
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08-09-2011, 03:22 PM | #8 |
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| If I were in your shoes, I would not start my breeding program, "my lines" as you say, under these circumstances. It is an inauspicious start to say the least. If I were looking for a puppy and researched your name and found this information, I would not consider a puppy from you if you bred this girl.
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08-09-2011, 03:40 PM | #9 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: madison wisconsin
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| i agree looking at it that way i want to say thanks to all of you when i look at it from that point of view your so right.....grrr breaks pumped, back up, turn the wheel, look left and right and then again....slowly proceed with caution!!! starting over!!! anyone know any good show breeders in my area lol help i need a mentor |
08-10-2011, 05:17 AM | #10 | |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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The purchase price for a show dog is not the bottom line..there is also the cost of having them tested to insure that they are healthy to breed. Being told by the breeder that her lines are good enough to breed just doesn't cut it. Each dog within that pedigree should be researched. No reputable breeder would sell a show dog, especially a female to someone sight unseen. There is a multitude of information on the net on how to find a mentor, purchase a show dog, etc....let your fingers do the walking. The journey is a tough one. It'll take your desire to learn, listen and put in a lot of time. One does not buy a show dog over the internet after a few phone calls with a breeder that was picked because of a nice website. Anyone can put up a nice website.
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08-10-2011, 05:52 AM | #11 |
YT 1000 Club Member | Mardelin and the others are so right in the advice they are giving you. Back in 2008 I bought my first show prospect. Given what I know now I would have waited. At the time the breeder I got my girl from was retireing from breeding so I was lucky enough to get a female. Needless to say I didn't research her background and ended up with a soft coated female. Since then I have learned a ton from a wonderful show breeder and currently have a girl I am waiting on to see how she turns out. So I can tell you it's not an overnight process it's taken me 4 years to get to where I am now and I still have so much to learn. There is a ton of info on the internet and there are lots of books out there. But I can guarantee that the best info you will ever get is from a mentor who has been showing and breeding for a good number of years. I also agree that the best place to find a mentor is by going to dog shows. They may not talk to you before they show but I am sure they will after they are done. I know I would rather meet someone face to face because I can tell if a person is genuine and passionnate about what they are doing or what they are wanting to do, Over the phone anyone can sound great. same with websites. Most show breeders I know that have websites aren't selling their puppies from them they are showcasing their Champions and show prospects. So my advice to you is simple Do alot of research , go to dog shows and meet some of the show breeders, be open about what you are wanting to do and be very open to listening to the advice your given. Then go from there. If your sincere about going about this all the right way then know that it will take time and lots of Patience.
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