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True many other factors to consider which I would if in my example I didn't say "with all things being equal". I don't think it matters; however, whether its a show dog or a pet a breeder (IMO) has an obligation to take their pups out and about, get them socialized to more than just what goes on inside, again it was always about all things being equal. And as a buyer, myself I would want my pet or show dog well attended to, not left in a kennel for most of the day because the breeder was so busy taking care of so many pups...that's all. One person/job or no job/respectability/etc/etc/everything I previously said...all things being equal is the key phrase--- the care that goes into puppies has surely got to be easier with (for example) the number of pups I previously mentioned to the number of pups I compared it to thus all the needed things to help in socialization of a puppy would --- at least on first glance to me --- be better with the lower numbers. That's all I was saying. But your point is well taken and I understand what you are saying. |
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You're right, good breeders dogs rarely end up in rescue but stop and think about that statement. I just read from another thread link that 75% of the dogs in shelters are mix breeds, not pure bred dogs. So, that leaves 25% for pure bred dogs, I would expect of that 25%, for various reasons very few would come from good breeders. None of which has anything to do with "who" the dog came from but, more to do with the person buying the dog. |
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Many of these questions could have been addressed verbally by the breeder, or better still if the breeder had included in the take home puppy package, a typed up version of some things like housebreaking, immunization protocols, etc etc. Basic grooming advice including links to some on line videos that show how to trim nails, ear health, teeth cleaning, brushing/combing your dog, recommendations for puppy shampoos and bathing tips. |
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and the 25% would be a guess at best, mostly based on what the dog looks like (many a mixed breed looks just like the one breed). I seriously doubt too many known pure breds come in with all their show ribbons, trophies, and papers. So without all the information on the dog there is no way to know whether its a pure bred (I doubt the average shelter is doing DNAing on 'em, which has its own inaccuracies). So the percentage is probably closer to 5% or less. The 75% is probably the known figure which leaves the remaining 25% an guesstimate. I recently met someone with a yorkie/poodle mix and it looked just like a Yorkie (granted, a less than standard Yorkie, but a Yorkie look-alike all the same) I'm sure many of those dogs coming in are labeled a purebred. So I'd support spay/neuter of all the mongrels out there, and price fix the purebreds. If the figures from the HSUS are accurate the mongrel population is where the problem lies. why price fix? because it's the breeders themselves that often contribute to the BYB - The "respectable" breeder disposes of dogs they didn't "improve" and still place exorbitant prices on them along with so many restrictions on the buyer, people just decide to breed their own. A BYB isn't born, they're made...often by the very people who claim they wish to exterminate them. Animal rights activists would have you believe there is some disgrace in breeding animals. They would have you believe that every breeder of purebred dogs contributes significantly to the shelter population rather than the fault of the callousness of a society that would deem animals disposable. The root of the problem goes much deeper than the mongrel and mutt, it is our society's belief and value system (or lack thereof) that has resulted in animals being thrown away like garbage and grandma being dumped in a nursing home. |
"The root of the problem goes much deeper than the mongrel and mutt, it is our society's belief and value system (or lack thereof) that has resulted in animals being thrown away like garbage and grandma being dumped in a nursing home." This in my opinion is the greatest danger to not only animals but to human kind. :( |
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I know it is not usual for any breeder finishing 6 to 10 champions per year.(remember many co-own or sell to other show kennels) to have 4 to 6. I do not recall YTCA limiting litter numbers. AKC does not... I am not defending volumne breeding..but if a breeder like Durrers or NikNak, just to name two are producing champion after champion, I think how many litters they breed is their business. One litter every two years or 4 every year makes no one reputable and ethical. |
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[QUOTE=YorkieRose;3378304]Not to offend YT, but how many Top Show breeders do we have here? I know it is not usual for any breeder finishing 6 to 10 champions per year.(remember many co-own or sell to other show kennels) to have 4 to 6. I do not recall YTCA limiting litter numbers. AKC does not... I am not defending volumne breeding..but if a breeder like Durrers or NikNak, just to name two are producing champion after champion, I think how many litters they breed is their business. One litter every two years or 4 every year makes no one reputable and ethical.[/QUOTE] I agree. You know the second yorkie I ever bought came from a 'voulme breeder' that dabbles in showing a little. She took me to her outside kennels and I was in awe. I never saw as many pretty yorkies in one place ever. her kennel was clean and well thought out with spaces for every thing. her dogs well cared for. She had kennel help but as we were leaving with our little dog tucked in my arms, I turned to my hubby and said, "we need a set up like that." if I were twenty years younger and just starting instead of quitting, I would have a set up like she had. |
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