Straightsilk is an expert

[musiccitymom]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I think I have learned a little more of what the undercurrent here is all about today. There are a few exhibitor/breeders that generously share their knowlege and experience with those thirsty for it. These same very knowledable exhibitor/breeders are also against commercial and frivolous breeding that does not put the good of the breed above personal greed. That puts them at direct odds with many breeders that try to keep their actual practices a little low key. They don't make a point of publicizing that they do not pre-test, that they breed tiny females, that they cross-breed, use non-AKC registries, don't worry about genetics or standards, don't stand behind their dogs when they come up with genetic conditions, some don't even stop breeding dogs that are throwing problem pups, and the list could go on and on...... These breeders have enjoyed doing business their way. They can even look like "bonafide" breeders with such "cute" puppies. The only thing that stands in their way is PUBLIC EDUCATION! That's right -- tell enough potential puppy buyers what to look for and what to watch out for and you are bound to cut into their business! Let enough YT members know that some are NOT doing things right and their reputations may tarnish. How to stop this? I guess some think attacking the educational sources might do enough harm to enable them to continue operating as usual. So attack they do, and the feud begins.......then others jump on the band wagon to support their friend, family member, or just another YT acquaintenance. I am not saying anything specific about anyone posting here today. Because the actual undercurrent is bigger than that -- it is not one person. It is not one thread -- it is one ISSUE -- the fight against substandard breeding.

This is not new, it has been at a slow boil, brewing quietly just under the surface here at YT and throughout the dog world. Luckily it is not enough to tampen down the spirit of this site. It is not enough to diminish the profound affect these experienced exhibitor/breeders have had on so many of us! They have spent so much of their time answering questions, explaining things in simplicity so that we may learn. Luckily it does not take a rocket scientist to distinguish between those that come here to help, build, and instill the right values and breeding practices against those that are just trying to keep the dirty little secrets of unscrupulous breeders quiet and the potential buyers unaware.

There may be little flare ups from time to time, but this site continues to be a teaching platform for many. I KNOW it makes the yorkie breeding world better and educates the yorkie pet owners daily! I learned so much and realized how much more there is to learn. The great part about that though is I also know where to continue learning. I'll continue right here on YT! I feel fortunate to have such a valuable resource available! I know of no other place where I can learn so much about every facet of Yorkshire Terriers! In a matter of minutes I can get expert opinions from across the nation, from around the world. I can have questions answered, plans refined, and follow-through reviewed from some of the top breeders of Yorkshire Terriers. I love this place!

[Wylie's Mom]

Debra - GREAT post in #30 . You capture things well.

What fascinates me about this whole....thing...is that some people who 'stir the pot' aren't even YT members anymore . Yet, interestingly, they know our total member count, they 'talk' about specific posts, use YT user names, and even have nicknames for various YT members. Now, that's not only ironic...but funny too. Not funny-hah-hah, but funny *weird*.

Why are people so obsessed with members here? It doesn't take a psych degree to figure that one out, I suppose.

Also, to the members here who go elsewhere to denigrate YT...I have a genuine question, similar to my question yesterday: why are you here? I'm just curious, genuinely. We welcome all members here, however, no one is forcing you to be here, nor have they ever. How disrespectful to the Admin and other members of this board to SELL to them, only to find out that the seller is operating under the guise of pretense. In other words, they use YT and pretend they love this site, only for all of us to find they denigrate it elsewhere. To those who partake in this kind of thing all I can say is: 1) decide if YT is a fit for you or 2) take a good look at your integrity. If you misrepresent yourself here, only with the goal of MAKING SALES, then I hope you realize that many people are smart enough to see through the charade.

We will continue to allow as many types/kinds of posts/opinions, as is the tradition of YT. It's a community, and no community is perfect. I am encouraged to see that some folks do indeed have perfect lives and communities, as demonstrated by their ability to denigrate other communities (???).

Thanks to all who make this the community that it is, and to those who try to embrace the true spirit of what a 'forum' really is !

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I think I have learned a little more of what the undercurrent here is all about today. There are a few exhibitor/breeders that generously share their knowlege and experience with those thirsty for it. These same very knowledable exhibitor/breeders are also against commercial and frivolous breeding that does not put the good of the breed above personal greed. That puts them at direct odds with many breeders that try to keep their actual practices a little low key. They don't make a point of publicizing that they do not pre-test, that they breed tiny females, that they cross-breed, use non-AKC registries, don't worry about genetics or standards, don't stand behind their dogs when they come up with genetic conditions, some don't even stop breeding dogs that are throwing problem pups, and the list could go on and on...... These breeders have enjoyed doing business their way. They can even look like "bonafide" breeders with such "cute" puppies. The only thing that stands in their way is PUBLIC EDUCATION! That's right -- tell enough potential puppy buyers what to look for and what to watch out for and you are bound to cut into their business! Let enough YT members know that some are NOT doing things right and their reputations may tarnish. How to stop this? I guess some think attacking the educational sources might do enough harm to enable them to continue operating as usual. So attack they do, and the feud begins.......then others jump on the band wagon to support their friend, family member, or just another YT acquaintenance. I am not saying anything specific about anyone posting here today. Because the actual undercurrent is bigger than that -- it is not one person. It is not one thread -- it is one ISSUE -- the fight against substandard breeding.

This is not new, it has been at a slow boil, brewing quietly just under the surface here at YT and throughout the dog world. Luckily it is not enough to tampen down the spirit of this site. It is not enough to diminish the profound affect these experienced exhibitor/breeders have had on so many of us! They have spent so much of their time answering questions, explaining things in simplicity so that we may learn. Luckily it does not take a rocket scientist to distinguish between those that come here to help, build, and instill the right values and breeding practices against those that are just trying to keep the dirty little secrets of unscrupulous breeders quiet and the potential buyers unaware.

There may be little flare ups from time to time, but this site continues to be a teaching platform for many. I KNOW it makes the yorkie breeding world better and educates the yorkie pet owners daily! I learned so much and realized how much more there is to learn. The great part about that though is I also know where to continue learning. I'll continue right here on YT! I feel fortunate to have such a valuable resource available! I know of no other place where I can learn so much about every facet of Yorkshire Terriers! In a matter of minutes I can get expert opinions from across the nation, from around the world. I can have questions answered, plans refined, and follow-through reviewed from some of the top breeders of Yorkshire Terriers. I love this place!

Terrific post!

[shodanusmc]

Great Post Ann. Totally agree, and I believe that 99.9% of the real contributors also would agree. With any forum you always have a few that ....well, I had best not say of I will be on a 3 week Holiday, and I am shooting for a record of not being given a time out!

People that are trollish will always pop up, always try to start something, always look for attention. Sometimes it is best to just ignore them....if only I could learn to.

Keep up the great work Ann!

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by BonBon

Terrific post!

Totally Agree, Deb always manages to work it as I wish I could.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Totally Agree, Deb always manages to work it as I wish I could.

She really does - I wish I had her way with words.

Ann's is another great post. She really hit the bullseye with that one.

[Brooklynn]

Great Responses!!!! I commend you

There is always going to be bad apples among any type of group whether it be a forum, the dog show world, the horse world, the sewing world and every day life. It's how we choose to handle it that separates the decent from the not so decent. As I've always said to be reputable it's how you handle problems. The reason I don't get upset, mad or angry and respond in a positive manner is because I stand behind what I say and do. I do not have to defend what I do because I feel I'm doing right by this wonderful breed and stand behind my dogs.
I guess those that go to other venues to bash others are cowards in my book because if you have something to say why hide?

[LuvndemYorkies]

It would be great to have a real true educational platform here. But in order for it to have any REAL Merit. You would have to have current statistics of what their work has been in the breed. How long they have been breeding. If they are going to give whelping help-how many litters have you raised. Breeding-How many Homebred Champions have you produced.I think some on here are giving advice and they have never even bred their first homebred, but to read their post you surely would think they have. Showing- what is your accomplishments in showing. I just think this should be a Sticky or something to give the people an idea of how much experience do the breeders really have. Just think it would bring much more merit to your site.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Great Responses!!!! I commend you

There is always going to be bad apples among any type of group whether it be a forum, the dog show world, the horse world, the sewing world and every day life. It's how we choose to handle it that separates the decent from the not so decent. As I've always said to be reputable it's how you handle problems. The reason I don't get upset, mad or angry and respond in a positive manner is because I stand behind what I say and do. I do not have to defend what I do because I feel I'm doing right by this wonderful breed and stand behind my dogs.
I guess those that go to other venues to bash others are cowards in my book because if you have something to say why hide?

These troublemakers/complainers have not initiated or contributed to any meaningful discussion or debate that they say they want in this section of YT. Nor is there any evidence that they go out of their way to help others the way the people they are bashing do.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Great Responses!!!! I commend you

There is always going to be bad apples among any type of group whether it be a forum, the dog show world, the horse world, the sewing world and every day life. It's how we choose to handle it that separates the decent from the not so decent. As I've always said to be reputable it's how you handle problems. The reason I don't get upset, mad or angry and respond in a positive manner is because I stand behind what I say and do. I do not have to defend what I do because I feel I'm doing right by this wonderful breed and stand behind my dogs.
I guess those that go to other venues to bash others are cowards in my book because if you have something to say why hide?

So very true Donna, I like being on YT and I enjoy reading the posts and even sometimes putting my 2 cents in. I don't expect anyone to agree with me or even take what I say as anything but my personal opinion. But there are those out there that have this need to think they know everything and if you don't hang on their everyword then you don't know anything. I know the type I grew up with "that type of person", needless to say that is why I moved to Michigan. Anyway when you go behind someones back to talk bad about them remember that what comes around goes around. I am a strong believer in Karmic retribution.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Great Responses!!!! I commend you

There is always going to be bad apples among any type of group whether it be a forum, the dog show world, the horse world, the sewing world and every day life. It's how we choose to handle it that separates the decent from the not so decent. As I've always said to be reputable it's how you handle problems. The reason I don't get upset, mad or angry and respond in a positive manner is because I stand behind what I say and do. I do not have to defend what I do because I feel I'm doing right by this wonderful breed and stand behind my dogs.
I guess those that go to other venues to bash others are cowards in my book because if you have something to say why hide?

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

So very true Donna, I like being on YT and I enjoy reading the posts and even sometimes putting my 2 cents in. I don't expect anyone to agree with me or even take what I say as anything but my personal opinion. But there are those out there that have this need to think they know everything and if you don't hang on their everyword then you don't know anything. I know the type I grew up with "that type of person", needless to say that is why I moved to Michigan. Anyway when you go behind someones back to talk bad about them remember that what comes around goes around. I am a strong believer in Karmic retribution.

Great Posts and of course Anne and Debra's too.

No one has ever said that YT is where you should obtain all your information/education from. Quiete the contrary...it is not the end all, but it is a place to gain food for thought.

I don't know how many times Donna as well as others have said.....research, research, study, study, attend shows and find a mentor.

I don't believe there are any experts here, but a community of people who have yorkies and want to share.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great Posts and of course Anne and Debra's too.

No one has ever said that YT is where you should obtain all your information/education from. Quiete the contrary...it is not the end all, but it is a place to gain food for thought.

I don't know how many times Donna as well as others have said.....research, research, study, study, attend shows and find a mentor.

I don't believe there are any experts here, but a community of people who have yorkies and want to share.

I'm just here as one person within a community of many and as I stated one can choose to listen or not to listen. I'm not an expert but I do know what I'm doing and again stand behind my beliefs and convictions

Donna

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I think I have learned a little more of what the undercurrent here is all about today. There are a few exhibitor/breeders that generously share their knowlege and experience with those thirsty for it. These same very knowledable exhibitor/breeders are also against commercial and frivolous breeding that does not put the good of the breed above personal greed. That puts them at direct odds with many breeders that try to keep their actual practices a little low key. They don't make a point of publicizing that they do not pre-test, that they breed tiny females, that they cross-breed, use non-AKC registries, don't worry about genetics or standards, don't stand behind their dogs when they come up with genetic conditions, some don't even stop breeding dogs that are throwing problem pups, and the list could go on and on...... These breeders have enjoyed doing business their way. They can even look like "bonafide" breeders with such "cute" puppies. The only thing that stands in their way is PUBLIC EDUCATION! That's right -- tell enough potential puppy buyers what to look for and what to watch out for and you are bound to cut into their business! Let enough YT members know that some are NOT doing things right and their reputations may tarnish. How to stop this? I guess some think attacking the educational sources might do enough harm to enable them to continue operating as usual. So attack they do, and the feud begins.......then others jump on the band wagon to support their friend, family member, or just another YT acquaintenance. I am not saying anything specific about anyone posting here today. Because the actual undercurrent is bigger than that -- it is not one person. It is not one thread -- it is one ISSUE -- the fight against substandard breeding.

This is not new, it has been at a slow boil, brewing quietly just under the surface here at YT and throughout the dog world. Luckily it is not enough to tampen down the spirit of this site. It is not enough to diminish the profound affect these experienced exhibitor/breeders have had on so many of us! They have spent so much of their time answering questions, explaining things in simplicity so that we may learn. Luckily it does not take a rocket scientist to distinguish between those that come here to help, build, and instill the right values and breeding practices against those that are just trying to keep the dirty little secrets of unscrupulous breeders quiet and the potential buyers unaware.

There may be little flare ups from time to time, but this site continues to be a teaching platform for many. I KNOW it makes the yorkie breeding world better and educates the yorkie pet owners daily! I learned so much and realized how much more there is to learn. The great part about that though is I also know where to continue learning. I'll continue right here on YT! I feel fortunate to have such a valuable resource available! I know of no other place where I can learn so much about every facet of Yorkshire Terriers! In a matter of minutes I can get expert opinions from across the nation, from around the world. I can have questions answered, plans refined, and follow-through reviewed from some of the top breeders of Yorkshire Terriers. I love this place!

Wow, what a wonderful post! Every time I get a little discouraged here, someone comes along and reminds me of something that makes it all worthwhile. It's really difficult sometimes to be outspoken against poor breeding practices, because as I've gotten to know some of people here, they do seem like really nice people, and it's difficult to be say something that they feel attacks them personally. I try to speak generically when I speak of poor breeding practices, but many times they think I'm speaking about them. Spending time on a forum, where you know you've made so many enemies, is really difficult, and this was never my intention. Your post helps remind me that it is all worthwhile, and I don't want YT to become a place where breeders can do "business as usual".

[gemy]

Many good posts here on this thread. Whether the subject be breeding, showing, training, health care, this site is a wealth of information.

We have many members here who are willing to share their knowledge, their thoughts, and they cover a whole spectrum of experience/knowledge. The "inexperienced" person is as welcome to offer a thought, or an opinion, just as much as the more experienced folks. And IMO that's the way it ought to be.

I would how-ever hope, that in emergency situations, that can often occur in the breeding threads, that the more experienced breeders post first, or can in a timely way correct a poorly worded, or dangerous suggestion. But I point out that this a public forum and discrimination needs to be practiced on what you read on this site, just like any other.

It is a shame when attacks of a personal nature occur. One can have a different point of view and present that clearly and simply. In fact that is most frequently when learning can occur.

I like the quote "Zen mind, beginners mind". If you empty your preconceived notions, perceptions and conceptions of what you "think" you know, then there is space to receive deeper, and or different understanding.

[salazark]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Great Post Ann. Totally agree, and I believe that 99.9% of the real contributors also would agree. With any forum you always have a few that ....well, I had best not say of I will be on a 3 week Holiday, and I am shooting for a record of not being given a time out!

People that are trollish will always pop up, always try to start something, always look for attention. Sometimes it is best to just ignore them....if only I could learn to.

Keep up the great work Ann!

Be calm friend. We don't need you taking another holiday!