Parti Color? YTCA?

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The purpose of purebred breeding is not to introduce new variety into the breed, but elimination of the variety. Mutts have lots of variety, purebreds don't. Past breeders have worked very hard to eliminate what they saw as undesirable qualities. The parti recessive gene wasn't found in most lines, in fact, it seems like it can be traced to just a few, and there are still questions on how it got there, but the founders of the YTCA decided that is not what they wanted to breed for. Whether it was a natural ingredient to the original yorkie isn't the point, early breeders decided that this shouldn't be included in the coat type. You have to remember that the yorkie coat is one of the most difficult to obtain, for those who like a challenge, the yorkie is a fascinating breed to breed, because just because you have two blue and gold yorkies, it's doesn't mean you will always get two and blue and gold yorkies, but this is the goal. Now if almost every breeder could achieve getting the proper blue and gold, time after time, I would see no problem with adding more variety into the line, but this coat is still very difficult to achieve. Adding the white often eliminates the blue, and I can understand why breeders would be hesitant to add this. Many breeders believe that instead of adding more variety to the yorkie, that other things should be stressed, structure/health/temperament and things of this nature. The yorkie is a relatively young breed, it like designing a fine piece of equipment you want to get the prototype right before you start offering it in more and more colors. Also, once you get the recessive gene in a line, how do you take it out, if you decide the white isn't for you? It's impossible; the white is easily added, but impossible to thoroughly eliminate because there are no tests that show if your dog is a carrier. It's a free country and breeders are free to breed whatever they see fit, and people are free to choose which breeders they feel like supporting, however, supporting breeders who breed to standard, is the best way to support the breed, for you are helping to insure a yorkie who looks like a yorkie, will be around in the future.

By the way, culling doesn't always mean killing, it means simply not breeding some of the offspring, it selective breeding. Every breeder culls their dogs when they sell a dog as a pet.

I agree with much of what Nancy said, particularly the parts I put in bold. You could take all the arguments from the Parti breeders and insert the fault of your choice (oversize, wiry coat, flop ears,. etc.) instead of the word 'parti' and the true weight of the argument becomes apparent. No one is beating on the door of the YTCA to create a variety and allow these faults into the ring. Why not? These traits are all naturally occuring in the breed and have been there from the beginning and still pop up to this day on a regular basis.

My own opinion is that the Yorkie is a relatively young breed and is still difficult to breed true to type. Regardless of their origin, it makes no sense to introduce back into the gene pool traits that will only muddy the water and make it even more difficult to breed true to type. It shouldn't make a difference if a trait has fanciers or not.

People are free to breed what they wish to, but I'd like to know how is it bettering the breed? To me, a Yorkshire Terrier is a blue and tan (gold), silky coated terrier...period. It has always been the intention since the founding of the breed for the Yorkie to be just that, regardless of other traits that have shown up.

There are some beautiful partis, but there are also beautiful Yorkies that exhibit other faults. Until the Yorkie can, in most cases, breed true to type, introducing varieties/faults back into them can only be seen as detrimental to the breed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Barbara don't worry the standard isn't going to change to allow Parti's in the ring. Let those brag about their carriers in the ring and even champion them if it makes them happy but know it won't get any warm welcomes within the yorkie show world well except those who don't care about the breed standard...JMO We'll just continue to try and educate those that want to learn and learn the right way

Oh, are they poor sports? Good thing those brave people are used to the name cyalling, mud slinging and bullying. It will make the victory all the sweeter.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breny

Hey! What happened to the OP???

Possibly, their mission has been accomplished

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

YUP $$$$ That is all it will take.

What the plans are is no secret, never has been, it's just now that people are getting worried they are starting to listen.

See that's the problem, it's about the almighty dollar and not the dog...it's a shame really...

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

If one thinks some of the Parti threads on YT gets one's dander up and I'm not talking standard yorkie breeders wait till you enter the wonderful world of showing...it's more brutal LOL...If I see those that are proudly and announcing Parti carriers in the ring remember keep your temper in check LOL

Oh..you don't have to tell me how brutal show people can be. I have seen it with my own two eyes. Funny...you say that like you are proud of it.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

The Chinese Crested varitey does not show in seperate rings, they show in the same ring, nor does the the Chi's aka long coat and short coat. And as I've stated before the AKC isn't allowing a parent club to add a variety at this time if I'm correct.
The YTCA is not going to allow the variety plain and simple. It's not gonna happen, it's not going to be accepted anytime in the near future.

Can you show me where on the AKC site that it says that about the variety???

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh, are they poor sports? Good thing those brave people are used to the name cyalling, mud slinging and bullying. It will make the victory all the sweeter.

oh it's not poor sportsmanship it's when someone is not bringing in the correct dog and doing something they know is wrong and bringing in a carrier. And those that say those that dye the dog is wrong what do you think bringing in a carrier is, knowing what your end result will be? Again, the DQ isn't going anywhere it's here to stay. AND it takes more than one person with money to add the varitey or Parti to be accepted it takes the majority of the membership to get it done. And I know many in the YTCA that doesn't let "money or clout" tell one how to vote or think.

Donna

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

AKC hasn't accepted a new variety for 50 years.

What exactly do you mean? A variety of the color or a variety of the breed?

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Oh..you don't have to tell me how brutal show people can be. I have seen it with my own two eyes. Funny...you say that like you are proud of it.

Oh I've been on the receiving end of it LOL...and some just can't handle me being blunt either and have taken it as "brutal". I always say you better have tough skin to be in the show world. I'm professional when I need be but I can be very outspoken as well and have very strong opinions and be very opinionated that is often taken as being brutal oh well...can't handle the truth don't ask is what I always say.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Can you show me where on the AKC site that it says that about the variety???

To be honest I read it about 6 months ago and haven't researched it. Maybe you can do an AKC search on their site.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

See that's the problem, it's about the almighty dollar and not the dog...it's a shame really...

Yes that is the problem with the entire world. those who have the money control. And they are also the most corrupt. it is sad, but unfortunately that is the way it works. Money + Power. the rest of us Are just pawns.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Oh I've been on the receiving end of it LOL...and some just can't handle me being blunt either and have taken it was "brutal". I always say you better have tough skin to be in the show world. I'm professional when I need be but I can be very outspoken as well and have very strong opinions and be very opinionated that is often taken as being brutal oh well...can't handle the truth don't ask is what I always say.

Talk about SAD. That is really sad, and it is all politics. It isn't about who has the better dog, it's who knows the right people.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

To be honest I read it about 6 months ago and haven't researched it. Maybe you can do an AKC search on their site.

Since you read it you say, was it talking about variation of color or variation of breed?

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I agree with much of what Nancy said, particularly the parts I put in bold. You could take all the arguments from the Parti breeders and insert the fault of your choice (oversize, wiry coat, flop ears,. etc.) instead of the word 'parti' and the true weight of the argument becomes apparent. No one is beating on the door of the YTCA to create a variety and allow these faults into the ring. Why not? These traits are all naturally occuring in the breed and have been there from the beginning and still pop up to this day on a regular basis.

My own opinion is that the Yorkie is a relatively young breed and is still difficult to breed true to type. Regardless of their origin, it makes no sense to introduce back into the gene pool traits that will only muddy the water and make it even more difficult to breed true to type. It shouldn't make a difference if a trait has fanciers or not.

People are free to breed what they wish to, but I'd like to know how is it bettering the breed? To me, a Yorkshire Terrier is a blue and tan (gold), silky coated terrier...period. It has always been the intention since the founding of the breed for the Yorkie to be just that, regardless of other traits that have shown up.
There are some beautiful partis, but there are also beautiful Yorkies that exhibit other faults. Until the Yorkie can, in most cases, breed true to type, introducing varieties/faults back into them can only be seen as detrimental to the breed.

Jim..you know as well as I do that many breeds have successfully added varieties of size, color, and coat many times over. And the original varieties were not ruined because of it. How will adding a variety class for the parti be detrimental to the standard blue and tan? Nobody seems to want to answer that...but they sure do keep beating that dead horse.

Besides...you can't just wipe out a recessive color that has been in the breed for years. If the serious breeders of the color give up and quit...you will still have as many parti's being born...but they will be horrible quality.
But wait..that is exactly what the YTCA and their members want. It's ok if pet parti's are bred by the hundreds..as long as they don't affect the show world. They can be pets...but heaven forbid you want to take one in the ring. Then it becomes personal. LOL

The parti is here whether everyone like's it not. Why can't those who want to better it and show it be allowed too? If a variety class is allowed...soon...just like with the color varieties in the cocker spaniel...reputable breeders will breed parti to parti, and keep the show lines of each separate for the most part. And those in the show world know this to be true. They just will not admit it.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

What exactly do you mean? A variety of the color or a variety of the breed?

That reads like the same thing to me. A variation is a variation.

I am trying to find it on the AKC site. I read it there also.

There are only 9 breeds with accepted varieties. The ones which denote color as a variety the coloring is also acceptable within the breed standard.

American Kennel Club - Facts and Stats

Just so there isn't any confusion...there has been discussion where AKC has considered adding another variety of the present groups....herding, working, toy, etc.