Originally Posted by Bravo916 (Post 3006980)

Ann, I apologize if I offended you...that was not my intention. A lot of people haphazardly join groups like PETA and support them without knowing the facts. They choose to ignore stances they dont like and pretned they dont exist...but they do.

What else would one call a group that throws blood (more recently red dye) on to people wearing fur and leather, runs through dog shows releasing dogs from crates, harasses reputable breeders because they dont want dogs being bred and a group that threatens to take our pet ownership rights away--and it completley up front and in-your-face about it?

They terrorize people because they dont like something they are doing.

I will not stand for any group that behaves itself in this manner. From my personal experiences, I see no mitigating factors for PETA.

Fortunately, we live in a country that gives us the right to choose what affiliations we want to have. All I am saying that people need to educate themselves about what they are supporting. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 3006984)

Last comment.....You know, We all understand the need to protect animals. Thats why ethical breeders go above and beyond to protect any puppy we place in a home. We abide by strict guidelines for breeding and for spay/neutering any puppy we place. We test our dogs health beyond any required guidelines but our own. We do all this because we care. We also require that if for any reason someone has to give up their yorkie we will always take it back, thereby preventing it from going to a shelter. These are rules and standards YTCA has set for ourselves. I think what PETA and other like minded people may not understand is that....the 2 women who jumped up with the sign at the show did not further their cause. Do you honestly think they won anyone over at the show. Most people turn away from extreme organizations like that for that very reason. They were booed.........Everyone I talked to today felt the same...booooo. If Peta was protesting at a puppy mill or fighting in congress for better treatment of animals enter the food industry thats great. But don't tell me I can't eat meat. If they were setting up shelters and going to remote area to feed wild dog set lose by irresponsible owners....wooohoo! They lose credibility by acting like fools. No-one I know has respect for radicals.....not the mainstream of America.
Maybe they feel the publicity helps their cause but personally I thinks it hurts them.

I can't hunt but I don't fault my father for being a hunter. I choose not to wear fur but I don't expect everyone to abide by my belief. I would rather see wild animals in their natural habitats than in a zoo but I know situations where releasing animals back in the wild would not be realistic. I choose to breed and show Yorkies and I don't want to be judged by those who don't. These are my beliefs, these are my rights. I have but one judge and it is not you nor PETA.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3006978)

To answer your questions...you basically implied that members of PETA were terrorists and hypocrites.

And then you are asking to have a respectful discussion with those members? If implying I'm a terrorist and a hypocrite is the way to foster discussion...then I guess I've been doing things all wrong. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 3006999)

Well my Dear, I never called anyone a terrorist and I DO still find hypocrisy in purchasing and supporting breeders when Peta is one of the biggest advocates against that very thing...Just saying....what else would you call it. It is what it is......
I still have not seen a legitimate argument to support Peta. In fact, I've just heard about more terroristic acts about them. Throwing blood.....why throw anything at anyone.......it is violence!!! Pure violence!!!

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3006921)

Where there is smoke there is fire. I would never support an organization that has so many dubious agendas and so many concerning points about their true aims.

Dogs have been bred over many centuries to become and be companions to humans. And yes they have descended from wolves... but they are now much much different from wolves.

I will never knowingly support any organization that denies pet ownership!!!!! There are so very many studies, from so many countries that detail out how pets function to help and support humans. This is a very symbiotic relationship.

Owning a pet is a great responsibility and the rewards of same are commensurately great.

I have posted before in other threads that we are under attack... this can be subtle, and not so subtle ... however we as show and pet owners are not organized to disseminate and put forward our point of view.

Am I distressed about so many animals in shelters, so many abused and unloved animals? Of course, my heart bleeds. But I don't believe that breeders are the ones that create this situation.

So how does this happen? If only 7% of any dog in a shelter is a pure bred - then surely the problem is non pure breeds. No mandatory spay and neuter for non pure bred dogs/cats.

The instant society we have created that has no idea about pet ownership ... Let me recycle my pet that I didn't realize would poop and pee in awkward places. That need exercise and discipline and the very basic of vet care. That heaven help me I needed to brush and groom and trim the nails of!

This thread has touched within me a very passionate place. Of yes I agree that all humans should treat each other ethically and that needs to be expanded to pets. But just what is ethical?. We this human race have domesticated dogs, bred them, loved them, and we have the ethical and moral responsibility to see that they remain the beloved companions of the HUMAN RACE.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3007004)

Something just entered my mind. Was this real blood, if so where did they obtain it?

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006997)

Wow, where have I ever said I am judging you...in fact I enjoy going to dog shows and I fully support ethical breeders. I had a father that was into big game hunting and our house was full of stuffed animals...something I could not do but understand that many of these animals would have starved to death...I agree 100% some animals can't go back into the wild.

I just feel that ethical breeders need to lead the charge on helping the mess we are in with pet overpopulation..I see it right here on YT...people just breeding to make $$$...

I just feel the % of ethical breeders in this country is very small...

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 3006999)

Well my Dear, I never called anyone a terrorist and I DO still find hypocrisy in purchasing and supporting breeders when Peta is one of the biggest advocates against that very thing...Just saying....what else would you call it. It is what it is......
I still have not seen a legitimate argument to support Peta. In fact, I've just heard about more terroristic acts about them. Throwing blood.....why throw anything at anyone.......it is violence!!! Pure violence!!!

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3007004)

Something just entered my mind. Was this real blood, if so where did they obtain it?

Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 3007015)

I think it was balloons filled with red dyed water if it is the post I am thinking of.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3007013)

My name is not Dear.

My mistake - you made the hypocrite comment, another member made the comment about us being terrorists.

To your point of my "hypocrisy in supporting breeders" - after THIS THREAD...YES...you are really making me wonder whether I should continue my AVID support of ETHICAL breeders. Perhaps I should indeed put ALL of my energy instead into ANIMAL RIGHTS and ANIMAL WELFARE. This thread is absolutely changing my feelings, that is for sure.

And btw, I am fully informed about PETA and have been a member for 20+ years.

As to why I'm not "arguing" with you, please see my previous post. If this *was* an actual respectful discussion, I would be happily be taking part in the TOPIC itself. Please see other controversial topics if you need evidence/proof.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3007024)

:eek:Now Ann does this mean you will delete all my posts?

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3007027)

Okay, maybe just one. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006997)

Wow, where have I ever said I am judging you...in fact I enjoy going to dog shows and I fully support ethical breeders. I had a father that was into big game hunting and our house was full of stuffed animals...something I could not do but understand that many of these animals would have starved to death...I agree 100% some animals can't go back into the wild.

I just feel that ethical breeders need to lead the charge on helping the mess we are in with pet overpopulation..I see it right here on YT...people just breeding to make $$$...

I just feel the % of ethical breeders in this country is very small...

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3007013)

My name is not Dear.

My mistake - you made the hypocrite comment, another member made the comment about us being terrorists.

To your point of my "hypocrisy in supporting breeders" - after THIS THREAD...YES...you are really making me wonder whether I should continue my AVID support of ETHICAL breeders. Perhaps I should indeed put ALL of my energy instead into ANIMAL RIGHTS and ANIMAL WELFARE. This thread is absolutely changing my feelings, that is for sure.

And btw, I am fully informed about PETA and have been a member for 20+ years.

As to why I'm not "arguing" with you, please see my previous post. If this *was* an actual respectful discussion, I would be happily be taking part in the TOPIC itself. Please see other controversial topics if you need evidence/proof.