Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006840)

And that is exactly what Ann, Kim and myself feel about PETA...good and bad in every organization.

You are right AKC is not trying to take away your rights as a breeder...but how many animals have to die before we do start taking away some rights and AKC has to shoulder some of the blame for this mass killing of animals because they issue registrations to volume breeders. They do this for revenue so dog shows can go on.

Why do you (any breeder) have the right to help kill millions of animals a year...when will the breeders say enough is enough. When will breeders come forward and stop protecting breeders who are cruel and inhuman to their dogs...AKC won't (•The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine). Big deal.

Why can't AKC and breeders figure out a way to help these animals instead of letting the majority of breeders just make $$$ off of these animals. I see AKC writing they care but I certainly don't see their actions doing anything to help the animals.


New Hampshire House Bill 1624, which seeks to impose many unreasonable and unnecessary restrictions on responsible dog breeders and owners, will be considered by the House Environment and Agriculture Committee on Thursday, January 21. The American Kennel Club and our New Hampshire federation, the Dog Owners of the Granite State, both oppose this measure as it is currently written. We encourage all responsible dog breeders and owners in New Hampshire to contact their elected representative and the committee members listed below. Respectfully urge them to not move this bill out of committee without significant amendments.
The American Kennel Club strongly supports humane treatment of dogs, including an adequate and nutritious diet, clean water, clean living conditions, regular veterinary care, kind and responsive human companionship, and training in appropriate behavior. The AKC also supports reasonable and enforceable laws that protect the welfare and health of purebred dogs and do not restrict the rights of breeders and owners who take their responsibilities seriously.
The AKC opposes several provisions in the current bill, including:
• Limiting any person from owning more than 50 intact dogs over the age of four months. The AKC believes that numerical limits do not address potential underlying issues of responsible ownership and proper dog care.
• Requiring any person having more than 10 intact dogs over four months of age to provide specific care and condition requirements; and abide by existing state operation standards for pet shops and animal shelters. This limits owners from breeding females in consecutive heat cycles, and from breeding any dog that is younger than one year of age, without allowing owners and veterinarians to determine what is best for dogs. Additionally, qualifying breeders who keep dogs inside their private homes will be unreasonably forced to incorporate into their homes the costly building standards that pet shops and animal shelters are required to use.
• Mandating that all debarking, tail docking, and surgical births be done by a licensed veterinarian and with anesthesia. The bill defines “tail docking” as the docking, cutting off, causing, or procuring the docking or cutting off of the tail of a dog over five days old. However, a six-day-old puppy would not be able to endure the anesthesia required by this bill. A workable alternative would leave the decisions regarding the best care to a treating veterinarian.
• Authorizing any duly appointed agent of any humane society, SPCA incorporated in the state, or animal control officer, on the Agriculture Commissioner’s initiative or pursuant to complaints, to investigate possible violations. This may effectively deputize individuals not trained or sworn in as public officers, and allow them to enter and seize private property.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006850)

Shaking my head....PETA is not a rescue...they are animal welfare...they are needed because of the cruel acts that go on in this world and no one does anything because of $$$ or self serving interest..

So does this mean you support dog fur from China?
Animal testing for hairspay ? cosmetics?
The list could go on and on...

Or do you just care about your dogs and the show world?

I bring all of this up because if you are against PETA then you need to be against AKC because all they do is bury the misery that is brought on by some of their actions in the dogs world. They are not clean either...

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006840)

And that is exactly what Ann, Kim and myself feel about PETA...good and bad in every organization.

You are right AKC is not trying to take away your rights as a breeder...but how many animals have to die before we do start taking away some rights and AKC has to shoulder some of the blame for this mass killing of animals because they issue registrations to volume breeders. They do this for revenue so dog shows can go on.

Why do you (any breeder) have the right to help kill millions of animals a year...when will the breeders say enough is enough. When will breeders come forward and stop protecting breeders who are cruel and inhuman to their dogs...AKC won't (•The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine). Big deal.

Why can't AKC and breeders figure out a way to help these animals instead of letting the majority of breeders just make $$$ off of these animals. I see AKC writing they care but I certainly don't see their actions doing anything to help the animals.


New Hampshire House Bill 1624, which seeks to impose many unreasonable and unnecessary restrictions on responsible dog breeders and owners, will be considered by the House Environment and Agriculture Committee on Thursday, January 21. The American Kennel Club and our New Hampshire federation, the Dog Owners of the Granite State, both oppose this measure as it is currently written. We encourage all responsible dog breeders and owners in New Hampshire to contact their elected representative and the committee members listed below. Respectfully urge them to not move this bill out of committee without significant amendments.
The American Kennel Club strongly supports humane treatment of dogs, including an adequate and nutritious diet, clean water, clean living conditions, regular veterinary care, kind and responsive human companionship, and training in appropriate behavior. The AKC also supports reasonable and enforceable laws that protect the welfare and health of purebred dogs and do not restrict the rights of breeders and owners who take their responsibilities seriously.
The AKC opposes several provisions in the current bill, including:
• Limiting any person from owning more than 50 intact dogs over the age of four months. The AKC believes that numerical limits do not address potential underlying issues of responsible ownership and proper dog care.
• Requiring any person having more than 10 intact dogs over four months of age to provide specific care and condition requirements; and abide by existing state operation standards for pet shops and animal shelters. This limits owners from breeding females in consecutive heat cycles, and from breeding any dog that is younger than one year of age, without allowing owners and veterinarians to determine what is best for dogs. Additionally, qualifying breeders who keep dogs inside their private homes will be unreasonably forced to incorporate into their homes the costly building standards that pet shops and animal shelters are required to use.
• Mandating that all debarking, tail docking, and surgical births be done by a licensed veterinarian and with anesthesia. The bill defines “tail docking” as the docking, cutting off, causing, or procuring the docking or cutting off of the tail of a dog over five days old. However, a six-day-old puppy would not be able to endure the anesthesia required by this bill. A workable alternative would leave the decisions regarding the best care to a treating veterinarian.
• Authorizing any duly appointed agent of any humane society, SPCA incorporated in the state, or animal control officer, on the Agriculture Commissioner’s initiative or pursuant to complaints, to investigate possible violations. This may effectively deputize individuals not trained or sworn in as public officers, and allow them to enter and seize private property.

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 3006904)

This quote from your post is quite interesting....
Why do you (any breeder) have the right to help kill millions of animals a year...when will the breeders say enough is enough. When will breeders come forward and stop protecting breeders who are cruel and inhuman to their dogs...AKC won't (•The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine). Big deal.

I nor any other member of our YTCA would ever support or protect an irresponsible breeder...EVER! That is a completely inaccurate statement. Our members homes are inspected by our club president prior to any recommendation to a referral program as a breeder. We educate the public about local Pet brokers and/or puppy mills. Many locally have been shut down and prosecuted for their actions. Is it a perfect system...no. But what is the alternative? Free all domesticated dogs and let them fend for themselves. Seriously, give an alternative. Euthanize them all? Let dogs become extinct? Give a serious alternative. To say that ethical breeders are responsible for the acts of the bad breeders is like saying you are responsible for the criminal that robbed the bank down the street. What would PETA have us all do???
We all know the answer to that..........:(

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3006878)

PETA is not an Animal Welfare Organization, they are an Animal Rights Activist....there is a difference.

And why aren't they putting their millions of dollars into rescue or even donating to rescue?

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006924)

American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2009, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,300 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs.
• The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine. • AKC inspects breeders who register seven or more litters per year. AKC also randomly selects some breeders who register between four and six litters a year for inspection.


PETA is a world wide organization and animal shelters is not their only cause. We just happen to be a country that can't figure out a humane way to breed dogs..$$$ came into the picture and we have volume breeders...

I first started reading about PETA when they threw blood on people for wearing real fur and I remember thinking, that is not right. If they wanted to wear a fox coat who am I to say anything...well fast forward and now we are all better educated about many of these cruel things done in the name of beauty. I also will never forget seeing pictures of apes in cages and what was going on with them. There is so much more that PETA does to help bring awareness to the world i.e. the China trade in dog fur. We would never know they are skinning dogs alive if it was not for PETA...

In the 4 plus years that I have been on YT over 20 million pets have been euthanized in this country...I have stated every year that I have been on YT that 5 million pets a year are euthanized and I have yet to see one breeder say WOW...I am not going to breed this year...but having people like the two woman at the dog show raise their signs will make people try to understand what is going on.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006924)

American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2009, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,300 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs.
• The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine. • AKC inspects breeders who register seven or more litters per year. AKC also randomly selects some breeders who register between four and six litters a year for inspection.


PETA is a world wide organization and animal shelters is not their only cause. We just happen to be a country that can't figure out a humane way to breed dogs..$$$ came into the picture and we have volume breeders...

I first started reading about PETA when they threw blood on people for wearing real fur and I remember thinking, that is not right. If they wanted to wear a fox coat who am I to say anything...well fast forward and now we are all better educated about many of these cruel things done in the name of beauty. I also will never forget seeing pictures of apes in cages and what was going on with them. There is so much more that PETA does to help bring awareness to the world i.e. the China trade in dog fur. We would never know they are skinning dogs alive if it was not for PETA...

In the 4 plus years that I have been on YT over 20 million pets have been euthanized in this country...I have stated every year that I have been on YT that 5 million pets a year are euthanized and I have yet to see one breeder say WOW...I am not going to breed this year...but having people like the two woman at the dog show raise their signs will make people try to understand what is going on.

Originally Posted by straightsilk (Post 3006956)

How many Akc dogs are euthanized in shelters? I don't know why you go after them. And they aren't the dog police. This fine is on top of whatever jail sentence or fine they had to pay for their conviction by the actual legal authorities.

They don't have anything to say about mixed breeds and those are the most often surrendered. The most difficult to find homes for. The unwanted.

PETA is a political organization. They use the suffering of animals to solicit donations from good people and they use that money to further their political agenda. They don't want us to own dogs.

And they don't own the label of people who want animals treated ethically. Just because you don't support PETA doesn't mean you don't care about the ethical treatment of animals.

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 3006736)

Where has anyone on this thread disrespected you?
Respectfully, Pam

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 3006761)

Why is it that when faced with the facts with articles about Peta , the arguement changed from a discussion about their practices to a forum where you are being disrespected?

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3006675)

Wow, just wow.

You're entire post was one of the most shocking I've ever read here at YT...but this sentence really blows my mind.

To another poster, no one here has to tell me that I "need" to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare. Who are you to OWN the definition? I'm seriously asking that question, at this point? I mean really, I'm respectfully asking...? Animal Rights is not a dirty phrase, thank you! It is not shameful.

I am deeply saddened by what I've seen in this thread. And yes, it's personal. I ask to be treated respectfully, as a member of PETA. I have never disrespected your memberships in organizations, please do the same for those members here at YT who choose to be members of PETA.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3006924)

American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2009, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,300 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs.
• The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine. • AKC inspects breeders who register seven or more litters per year. AKC also randomly selects some breeders who register between four and six litters a year for inspection.


PETA is a world wide organization and animal shelters is not their only cause. We just happen to be a country that can't figure out a humane way to breed dogs..$$$ came into the picture and we have volume breeders...

I first started reading about PETA when they threw blood on people for wearing real fur and I remember thinking, that is not right. If they wanted to wear a fox coat who am I to say anything...well fast forward and now we are all better educated about many of these cruel things done in the name of beauty. I also will never forget seeing pictures of apes in cages and what was going on with them. There is so much more that PETA does to help bring awareness to the world i.e. the China trade in dog fur. We would never know they are skinning dogs alive if it was not for PETA...

In the 4 plus years that I have been on YT over 20 million pets have been euthanized in this country...I have stated every year that I have been on YT that 5 million pets a year are euthanized and I have yet to see one breeder say WOW...I am not going to breed this year...but having people like the two woman at the dog show raise their signs will make people try to understand what is going on.