[QUOTE=Brooklynn;3097005]
I want to confess that I've am guilty of misconduct too and will happily stand in judgement...I've put hairspray, styling gel, conditioning spray and anti-stat in my dog and that's a fact please with my blessing file a complaint.


Oh let me add to this list...shampoo and conditionar that I bathed him with that morning, Vellas Satin Cream, Laminates by Sebastian for shine (although he doesn't need it but it smells pretty) all what would be considered all altering a dogs natural appearance and a foreign substance in the coat...but unfortuantely I guess you'll have to file a complaint on everyone....I guess someone is gonna be really busy LOL

[quote=Brooklynn;3097077]Me too ... I will wash Razz tonight with a clarifying shampoo,then Biogroom Oatmeal shampoo, Use Biogroom Silk conditioner, and float his coat in a protein rich conditioner, then finish with Drape. When I blow dry I will use Vellus anti static spray , and for wrapping his coat up I will use a mixture of oils, and coconut oils prior to placing the wraps.

I will clean his eyes and ears, and trim his nails. Due to the wraps which will need to come out and he will need to be rewashed prior to showing this weekend I will have to iron out a wave in the coat.

So there you go... and I am no different than I guarantee the other 99.9% of show exhibitors who need to care expressively for a show coat.
Do some enhance, do some color? Obviously yes, but as others has expressed on this thread, there are much bigger issues to be concerned about

Check the rulebook
 

Section 8-C.

I think the topic of grooming products may obscure the issue of color.

These rules apply to all breeds.

hairspray/gel in a top knot or putting a finishing spray is NO different than putting color on the dogs coat.......it's BOTH considered a foreign product in the dogs coat... :)

I know someone that was excused from the ring because the coat was excessivly oily due to not getting all the shampoo out or maybe it was the water didn't get it out but nonetheless it was excessed for a foreign product in the coat and all it was was the dogs natural oils....

It's all black and white....it's all a foreign product "fact" :)

I guess beagles wear hairspray and gel in their topknot LOL or a pug...so not all breeds would require the same grooming products :)

Chapter 11, Section 8-c
 

They're not talking about hairspray, grooming gel, etc. here. The word "foreign substance" doesn't exist. I was hoping you'd actually look at your copy of the rules before you replied again.





SECTION 8-C. No dog shall be eligible to compete
at any show and no dog shall receive any award at any
show in the event the natural color or shade of natural
color or the natural markings of the dog have been
altered or changed by the use of any substance whether
such substance may have been used for cleaning purposes
or for any other reason. Such cleaning substances
are to be removed before the dog enters the ring.

If in the judge’s opinion any substance has been used
to alter or change the natural color or shade of natural
color or natural markings of a dog, then in such event
the judge shall withhold any and all awards from such
dog, and the judge shall make a note in the judge’s book
giving his reason for withholding such award. The handler
or the owner, or both, of any dog or dogs from
which any award has been withheld for violation of this
section of the rules, or any judge who shall fail to perform
his duties under this section, shall be subject to
disciplinary action.


ETA That is the reason you see chalk flying in the grooming areas. They are removing the excess with a brush and a blow dryer.

why did I see this coming?? it never ends.... just puzzles me what is the point?? what is the motivation??

Yeah...the whole point trying to be proven here is lost.... 1/3 of this member's posts are in controversial, locked threads. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Congrats. You spent days searching and reading though old threads to find a post that clearly of of some concern to only one member (you). Now what?

Very evident that this a Gotcha Thread. My bad by not realizing on a learning that what is posted can be misconstrued and used against one.

Again if a misconduct is committed, it must be in the ring and the complaint filed by the judge.

The rule was put in place with more serious infractions such as dental, phyiscal altering, surgies.

And is stated in prior posts, a foreign substance is color, hairspray, gels, topical coat enhancers, anti-stats.....anything, so if a judge really wanted to take it to the max....every dog in the ring and most at a dog show would be dismissed from the ring. Yes, a dismissal, not a disqualification.

My next question would be, to the original YT member that brought this out? Am I selling you a show dog? I don't think so. But, if I was I would think you would be a bit more concerned over the health of the dog you were purchasing.

Since this is a learning thread, anybody know what the poof in topknow is used for?

[quote=gemy;3097095]Gemy,

If rules were followed to the T....we aren't even suppose to have conditioner on a dog's coat. This changes the texture of the coat.

All I know is that you can certainly "enhance" the appearance of your dog's head with it and can balance out head that might not be the best with the size of the poof.

To me, the answer for you is with the above highlighted. When it comes down to it, it really is about what the judge thinks, right? I think you're splitting hairs:)

bingo. There's no perfect dog.

[quote=Mardelin;3097255]I know Mary, and not only for Yorkies either. We as you know have another breed we show and will one day breed, and believe you me there are lots of products that go into that coat, to if needed coarsen the coat, add lift and volumne, and we are not getting into what you can do with a talented pair of scissors. And one of the first things my pro handler said to me when he specialed Magic, well glad to see a few gray hairs, at least you and judge know there is no coloring going on. We have dQ'd if there is a white patch on chest greater than a certain diameter, and the only acceptable color is black or black with some grey hairs. In summertime as we are in the sun alot with training and hiking I will use a color wash to protect the black from going reddish from the sun plus an SPF cream from Plush Puppy which is really great in protecting the coat from sun damage.

awh we all can dream though:)

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Originally Posted by winstonmom http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
all i know is that you can certainly "enhance" the appearance of your dog's head with it and can balance out head that might not be the best with the size of the poof.

bingo. There's no perfect dog.
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well I wasn't here to answer that but I am pleased to see that I also knew this answer.

I just am not getting WHY this particular poster is SO INSISTANT on Being Right... and appears to ONLY post on threads that become highly controversial. I guess it is supposed to make us WELCOME her/him?? shaking my head

So this is what you felt I needed to report to the YTCA? Jeez, well at least I know what it's all about now.

[quote=gemy;3097297]I forgot there are color washes.......And sun does damage coat color, at times turning the coat color reddish.....

I guess we should all take this as a reminder to watch what we write on a public forum and move on.

As I already said, my bad.

Sadly, I can now understand why exhibitors are sometimes reluctant to answer some of the questions that I ask. They are probably afraid to answer in case they have it come back to haunt them. Thankfully, I have a great mentor but I always like to get answers from as many as possible.

I've been told more than once to keep a low profile on the internet, I have a wise mentor. There's a reason why alot of the long time exhibitors/breeders don't trust anyone anymore. It's sad.

I was always taught by mentor be careful what you say about some one, as it'll will come back to haunt you as one not to do business with.

My bad, I was going by the YTCA's code of ethics #7 before the change and I guess as the old saying goes hard to teach an old dog new tricks LOL...I have gone by experience of what I've seen judges do in the ring, what judges have said and what our code of ethics have said...I've seen judges speak about foreign substances, having a judge complain about hairspray being in the top knot and actually you better not take a dog in his ring with hairspray in the top knot with the Judge Dr. Berdnt because he won't hesitate to excuse you from the ring.
I can't tell ya how many times I see the shizhu people use a black marker on the black points just above their eyes, use brown chalk to brighten up the gold of most of the tan breeds ect...to me that is just cosmetic beauty enhancement and if one uses an enhancement product on a yorkie to fill in a small spot so what? As long as it's not hurting the dog and not used as an overall cover up what's the problem...as I've said many, many times the health and over all structure of the dog is of the utmost importance.
I've seen FAR WORSE of misconduct being done that an enhancement is the least of our worries...
As others have posted I have great mentors. We are all human and I guess as humans we make mistakes, break rules, rebel...just like dogs, humans aren't perfect either...get over it, move on...if you have a problem with someone take it up with them privately and own up to what your agenda is and don't hide behind a screen name....
JMHO

Donna

I'm not sure what to say...
looks like my posting was "dispirited"...
Have fun!
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What is Ur name again?

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This is laughable!
Who Ur are trying 2inpress?

and one more thing....I do say things do not bother me but I have to admit I'm wrong...what does bother me is when I see someone hiding behind a screen name with a vendetta and not owning up to what their beef is...I am who I am and everyone knows what I stand for I am up front, blunt and to the point. I don't like cowards...that is a pet peeve of mine..LOL...one may not like me and visa versa but I don't hide and run...even if I don't like the way it's going...

Donna

Yelena, With the greatest respect, my post has nothing to do with you nor anything you've said...I'm way past you, left you behind, an afterthought...My name is Donna as it says in the post...Trust me you haven't dispirited me in the least...I do hope you understand respectively :)

Donna

Not always true. Chalk is used to absorb moisture as well. Anytime you uuse caulk it flies. You either need a powder puff, brush or something to pat it in.

What are you AFTER? Please just ask for it. You aren't lending anything, just attacking. Your posts are confrontational. Why is that?

Great female. You can always find a better dog to breed her to . Don't buy him, breed to him.