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Mardelin 11-14-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880751)
Oh my dear brooklyn let me word this so you understand that i do know what I am speaking of. If you read my post it said A TOP RANKING.
Tell me being the Best of Breed Winner at Westminster 2009 would that not be considered A TOP RANKING??? LOL O LOL :rolleyes::p

BOB 2009 Westminister Winner hasn't been determined......

Again, if this has happened, whoever, the dog is, we can only do what we know is right for us and not be concerned about what everyone else is doing.....not my problem.

YorkieRose 11-14-2009 12:53 PM

I think a lot of the bitch pups out now are leaning to the smaller side of the standard..so using an oversized bitch is self defeating for many reasons.

LuvndemYorkies 11-14-2009 12:54 PM

The Westminster Kennel Club | 2009 Best Of Breed Results: TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2009

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Oh my dear brooklyn let me word this so you understand that i do know what I am speaking of. If you read my post it said A TOP RANKING.
Tell me being the Best of Breed Winner at Westminster 2009 would that not be considered A TOP RANKING??? LOL O LOL :rolleyes::p


BOB 2009 Westminister Winner hasn't been determined......

Again, if this has happened, whoever, the [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]dog[/COLOR][/COLOR] is, we can only do what we know is right for us and not be concerned about what everyone else is doing.....not my problem.
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Mardelin 11-14-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880754)
Mardelin, how long have you been showing and breeding?

And your reason for knowing?

bjh 11-14-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880739)
I agree with you about having 6, 7 or 8 pound bitches. However, breeding to a male that is smaller is a misnomer..........In order to set type you must line breed....know your lines inside and out. I suggest to anyone that wants breed, show first, and go take genetic, breeding, and whelping clases.....get a mentor that knows what they are doing.....before you proceed

Totally agree here. I just did not go into more detail. I see not problem with breed a larger male with a slightly smaller female. Like you said, you have to consider the whole package.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880762)
The Westminster Kennel Club | 2009 Best Of Breed Results: TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2009

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
Oh my dear brooklyn let me word this so you understand that i do know what I am speaking of. If you read my post it said A TOP RANKING.
Tell me being the Best of Breed Winner at Westminster 2009 would that not be considered A TOP RANKING??? LOL O LOL :rolleyes::p


BOB 2009 Westminister Winner hasn't been determined......

Again, if this has happened, whoever, the [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]dog[/COLOR][/COLOR] is, we can only do what we know is right for us and not be concerned about what everyone else is doing.....not my problem.
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My mistake, don't know what I was thinking.....

LuvndemYorkies 11-14-2009 12:56 PM

not sure why that posted weird like that

Well ladies i thank you for your comments and opinions it is great that you are willing to post your thoughts and comments to lend a hand to newbies.
I appreciate it

Mardelin 11-14-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2880760)
I think a lot of the bitch pups out now are leaning to the smaller side of the standard..so using an oversized bitch is self defeating for many reasons.

You are so right Pat....I've been seeing more and more dogs on the smaller side on the west coast.

LuvndemYorkies 11-14-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880763)
And your reason for knowing?


When passing knowledge to others esp. newbies, it helps us to see who has how many years under their belt so to speak you know how much real experience and their accomplishments with their breeding and showing.
thats why i asked

Brooklynn 11-14-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880768)
not sure why that posted weird like that

Well ladies i thank you for your comments and opinions it is great that you are willing to post your thoughts and comments to lend a hand to newbies.
I appreciate it

You're welcome. While I've stated many times I don't breed much, I do feel I have enough knowledge to lend a hand if I don't know the answers my mentors are only a phone call away :) I do rely on my mentors and those more experienced than me. They are a wealth of knowledge and experience more than a book or video can ever do justice....
And the longer I'm involved in this the more mentors I gain! It's been wonderful getting to know and rely on some of the most reputable breeders in yorkies!!!

Donna

Btw...Sure shot is not even in the top 5 for the year :) Just wanted to clarify his rankings :) but I will say he is in at #7 through the end of September :)

Mardelin 11-14-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880772)
When passing knowledge to others esp. newbies, it helps us to see who has how many years under their belt so to speak you know how much real experience and their accomplishments with their breeding and showing.
thats why i asked

My my knowledge and training was gained from the best.......my mentor is still my mentor and if you go back on past posts....I've shared my journey with anyone on YT. It's here for anyone to read.

You don't have to take anyone's advice....the choice is yours.

I'm also very selective on who I pass all my knowledge too.

LuvndemYorkies 11-14-2009 01:20 PM

:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880778)
My my knowledge and training was gained from the best.......my mentor is still my mentor and if you go back on past posts....I've shared my journey with anyone on YT. It's here for anyone to read.

You don't have to take anyone's advice....the choice is yours.

I'm also very selective on who I pass all my knowledge too.

how odd, you always come off with the one with the most knowledge, sorry if this was an offensive question :confused: :rolleyes:
but I am learning when someone offers up so much knowledge, i will look further into their actual background in the breed and their experience not meaning the experience of their mentor. :p

LuvndemYorkies 11-14-2009 01:21 PM

thanks donna

bjh 11-14-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2880760)
I think a lot of the bitch pups out now are leaning to the smaller side of the standard..so using an oversized bitch is self defeating for many reasons.

I am not sure I understand this. Doesn't the size of dogs vary from region to region and from year to year? Sometimes I see bigger yorkies in the ring and sometimes smaller ones. Just because a bitch is oversized does not mean that she can't produce nice smaller offspring if bred properly.

Also, when it comes to size you have to consider more than just how much a female weighs. Females yorkies seem to be like many of us women, when we are younger we are lean and then when we have children we get that middle aged spread.:) A female can be within standard but once they are bred and have pups they can easily go above standard size by a couple of pounds. You have to consider the whole package.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880787)
:rolleyes:

how odd, you always come off with the one with the most knowledge, sorry if this was an offensive question :confused: :rolleyes:
but I am learning when someone offers up so much knowledge, i will look further into their actual background in the breed and their experience not meaning the experience of their mentor. :p

Didn't mean it to sound harsh. But, I know nothing of you and my life is an open book for everyone to read.

I will tell you before I ever entered the ring, my mentor put me to the ringer...classes, training, and traveling with her and her handler before she placed a dog in my hands......

I was only allowed near a whelping box after I finished 3 Champions.......and went on to handle my mentor's dogs..

I've learned from the best and not only my mentor.......since those are the ones that I sought out.....

Brooklynn 11-14-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880768)
not sure why that posted weird like that

Well ladies i thank you for your comments and opinions it is great that you are willing to post your thoughts and comments to lend a hand to newbies.
I appreciate it

So, I want to ask you what are expectations in this endeavor? What is it that you want to do? What are your goals in breeding and showing?

In my opinion, if you are seeking knowledge in this endeavor it is from my experience that one would be alittle more appreciative, a little more candid and not so accusative in your questions of other breeders practice. I find when you are alittle more humble breeders and or show exhibitors would be more forthcoming with answers to your questions. From your post about breeding oversized bitches to the top ranked yorkie we all know who you are referring too especially if you follow the rankings like I do. Anyone that knows me and Mary as being members of the YTCA I can't go against the code of conduct and say they are not doing it correctly when in fact I don't know that because I wasn't there to see it for myself personally so what it all boils down too is heresay....
I am always willing to help or lend a hand to newbies. :)

Donna

LuvndemYorkies 11-14-2009 01:45 PM

sorry i guess emails tones can easily take on the tone of how the person reading them interperts them.
I have European Lines myself. That seems to be a real thorn in your side. Seems the breeders here take it as disrespect when they find you are trying to get in the breed and you have bought from European Breeders, kinda like a buy american boycott type of attitude you find.
But I love the dogs and I have meet the breeders in person and went over my dogs before i got them. Not sight unseen.
I do plan to CH them and they will be health tested before i spend the money showing them. Then and only then will they be bred. but as far as finding a mentor here, that will depend on if someone is open to the fact that I have imported mine and i am not looking to buy their lines.

Brooklynn 11-14-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880820)
sorry i guess emails tones can easily take on the tone of how the person reading them interperts them.
I have European Lines myself. That seems to be a real thorn in your side. Seems the breeders here take it as disrespect when they find you are trying to get in the breed and you have bought from European Breeders, kinda like a buy american boycott type of attitude you find.
But I love the dogs and I have meet the breeders in person and went over my dogs before i got them. Not sight unseen.
I do plan to CH them and they will be health tested before i spend the money showing them. Then and only then will they be bred. but as far as finding a mentor here, that will depend on if someone is open to the fact that I have imported mine and i am not looking to buy their lines.

Thorn in my side? I didn't know you had European lines since I don't recall you saying that :) I know nothing about you. European lines have fantastic lines! My BFF has a nice Italian bitch she imported and she's fantastic!!

Mardelin 11-14-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2880827)
Thorn in my side? I didn't know you had European lines since I don't recall you saying that :) I know nothing about you. European lines have fantastic lines! My BFF has a nice Italian bitch she imported and she's fantastic!!

I don't understand why anyone would take offense of anyone buying from European lines........

Haven't Parkside, Rama as well as many other's incorporated European lines into their breeding programs?

I do know that laws in Europe are less stringent than in the U.S., as you are not allowed to sell on an limited registration. That could be the reason some may be a bit stand offish when you speak to them.

bjh 11-14-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880820)
sorry i guess emails tones can easily take on the tone of how the person reading them interperts them.
I have European Lines myself. That seems to be a real thorn in your side. Seems the breeders here take it as disrespect when they find you are trying to get in the breed and you have bought from European Breeders, kinda like a buy american boycott type of attitude you find.
But I love the dogs and I have meet the breeders in person and went over my dogs before i got them. Not sight unseen.
I do plan to CH them and they will be health tested before i spend the money showing them. Then and only then will they be bred. but as far as finding a mentor here, that will depend on if someone is open to the fact that I have imported mine and i am not looking to buy their lines.

I wish you luck in your showing endeavours. We would love to see pictures of your babies sometimes. Are they still pups? Are you going to show them yourself? I have to tell you that these ladies on here are very knowledgeable and they do try to help all they can. We don't always agree on everything but it is good to read different opinions on tough subjects. I know I have learned a lot from listening to them. I really think no matter how long you show or breed there are things to learn.

Brooklynn 11-14-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880834)
I don't understand why anyone would take offense of anyone buying from European lines........

Haven't Parkside, Rama as well as many other's incorporated European lines into their breeding programs?

I do know that laws in Europe are less stringent than in the U.S., as you are not allowed to sell on an limited registration. That could be the reason some may be a bit stand offish when you speak to them.

I also believe Stratford Yorkies also have imported from France to incorporate in her lines several years ago.
I have found some GORGEOUS yorkies from Europe on the SweetyBlu website but unfortunately I can't get one because I won't allow them to ship it too me because I don't feel comfortable in shipping and I don't have the money to fly across the ocean to go get it at this time. Sure I can go get one I'm sure but finances won't allow the trip and the cost of the dog. That would be the only way I'd import is by putting my hands and eyes on the dog itself :)

Donna

tegamom1 11-14-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies (Post 2880820)
sorry i guess emails tones can easily take on the tone of how the person reading them interperts them.
I have European Lines myself. That seems to be a real thorn in your side. Seems the breeders here take it as disrespect when they find you are trying to get in the breed and you have bought from European Breeders, kinda like a buy american boycott type of attitude you find.
But I love the dogs and I have meet the breeders in person and went over my dogs before i got them. Not sight unseen.
I do plan to CH them and they will be health tested before i spend the money showing them. Then and only then will they be bred. but as far as finding a mentor here, that will depend on if someone is open to the fact that I have imported mine and i am not looking to buy their lines.

After reading post after post, I can not sit idly by and listen to this any longer without commenting. Yes, I feel your post have definitely had a rude and offensive tone, along with uncalled for "ringside gossip". Mary and Donna are respected, reputable and ethical exhibitors. Both have been mentored by top long time exhibitor/breeders here and in Canada and have championed numerous Yorkies. You come on with what seems to be an accusing air, no one knowing who you are and after this, probably not caring! Where your dogs come from is of no concern to anyone as long as they are healthy and excellent representatives of the breed. If you are new to the show ring, I would highly suggest you sit back and take a breather...This is not the way to gain favor or make friends in the show world. One should be grateful there are exhibitors like these ladies that are willing to befriend and help.

YorkieRose 11-14-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2880746)

Tina was in Memphis! I got to finally meet her and it was in Memphis! Love her!! She's awesome!!!

Donna

Sorry, I missed you..so little time..

As to size..I haven't been to Eastern shows in 5 yrs..at Memphis I saw several of my friends who used to breed a larger Yorkie enter a much smaller type...
Tiffany used to bring out a good size Yorkie and she told me they have much smaller now..and a few others...just an observation.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2880748)

Sorry, I missed you..so little time..

As to size..I haven't been to Eastern shows in 5 yrs..at Memphis I saw several of my friends who used to breed a larger Yorkie enter a much smaller type...
Tiffany used to bring out a good size Yorkie and she told me they have much smaller now..and a few others...just an observation.

Pat,

I think it's a trend thing.......Lee has told me on several occassions that she'd get ready to bring out a smaller yorkie, because everyone was showing smaller. Then they'd start bringing out larger ones....She said she couldn't win for loosing.

YorkieRose 11-14-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2880854)
I also believe Stratford Yorkies also have imported from France to incorporate in her lines several years ago.
I have found some GORGEOUS yorkies from Europe on the SweetyBlu website but unfortunately I can't get one because I won't allow them to ship it too me because I don't feel comfortable in shipping and I don't have the money to fly across the ocean to go get it at this time. Sure I can go get one I'm sure but finances won't allow the trip and the cost of the dog. That would be the only way I'd import is by putting my hands and eyes on the dog itself :)

Donna

Please correct me if I am wrong..but as I recall, the French came to the Scott's to incorporate Stratford bloodlines in theirs..

topknot 11-14-2009 03:02 PM

Yes, the ones as a majority in Memphis were on the little smaller size. I do not breed for the smaller ones, but that is what I have been getting lately myself. I have and still sitting on a couple hoping they will turn out bigger than they are. I still have hope. I am also glad that I now have my Cha-Cha, since I think she will be a little bigger - probably 5.5 - 6 pounds when she is finished.
You can go to one show and there will be smaller sized and other shows have them more up on leg and a bit bigger. Just depends, from what I have seen. It comes and goes.

Pat, did you stay for the ball?? Everyone had a great time! :D

Mardelin 11-14-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2880900)
Please correct me if I am wrong..but as I recall, the French came to the Scott's to incorporate Stratford bloodlines in theirs..

Pat,

You are correct........

I do know that they have come to Pastoral, Yorkboro, NicNac also.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2880903)
Yes, the ones as a majority in Memphis were on the little smaller size. I do not breed for the smaller ones, but that is what I have been getting lately myself. I have and still sitting on a couple hoping they will turn out bigger than they are. I still have hope. I am also glad that I now have my Cha-Cha, since I think she will be a little bigger - probably 5.5 - 6 pounds when she is finished.
You can go to one show and there will be smaller sized and other shows have them more up on leg and a bit bigger. Just depends, from what I have seen. It comes and goes.

Pat, did you stay for the ball?? Everyone had a great time! :D

Tina,

I'm having a bit of the opposite......except one girl that at this point has everything but size......I've never had one this small......however, she was premature and hoping that she'll catch up. Wondering if miracle will do the trick.

topknot 11-14-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880911)
Tina,

I'm having a bit of the opposite......except one girl that at this point has everything but size......I've never had one this small......however, she was premature and hoping that she'll catch up. Wondering if miracle will do the trick.

I know what you mean - on the miracle thing. I am really hoping on this one girl I have, great pedigree, and oh what a sire she has! She has the attitude too and the confirmation, like you said everything but size. She just turned one a few months ago and just barely 4 pounds. The sire's owner/breeder said though to me to wait, since his pups grow slow. I need to just wait. So that is what I am doing.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2880916)
I know what you mean - on the miracle thing. I am really hoping on this one girl I have, great pedigree, and oh what a sire she has! She has the attitude too and the confirmation, like you said everything but size. She just turned one a few months ago and just barely 4 pounds. The sire's owner/breeder said though to me to wait, since his pups grow slow. I need to just wait. So that is what I am doing.

I'm baby sitting one of my breeding right now.....when I saw him last.....he looked long and short......He's just over a year.....and all of sudden he's up on leg......So, there's a change for your girl.......hoping it's so for mine.


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