$250 Biewer 2 y/o 8lbs Female in Philadelphia Rescue

[donna1134]

I wrote a post earlier but I guess I forgot to sign in so they said it needed to be approved first... I will try to remember what I said... I am the chairperson for BBCAR.. Biewer Breed Club of America Rescue... We are willing to help anyone that needs us and IF this woman has rescue dogs that need taken care of, she can notify us at HELP@BiewerRescue.comand turn the dogs over to us and we will take it from there... I understood that her club, BTCA, also had a rescue and I would hope that they would take care of this... I do know that if a board member, or any member, from our club did this awful thing, we would not be a member for long...
As any of you that are involved with any rescue, many hours go into raising funds, having transporters and foster homes set up and then finding a perfect home for any dog in need of this service.. That is what we are there for or supposed to be there for... When I was raising and showing my Yorkies, I was involved with rescue so was very glad to be involved again when I got my first Biewer..For this woman to be trying to rehome her castoffs, in the name of rescue, is not right. I, for one, am shocked that this is happening.. maybe the BTCA is not aware of this and they should be notified. But I understand that this is a board member so they should know...
If they need our help, we are there and if any Biewer needs us, we will be there. That is why our rescue has been set up... I have listed our email address for anyone that needs us and our website is www.biewerrescue.com We are there if we are needed...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by donna1134

I think what scrappind dee was trying to say is that the biewer clubs have rescue set up and rescues should go to those groups.. Not that biewers are not going to end up is rescue, but that the Biewer clubs should follow through and make sure that they are there when needed... This thread seems to me as though this person is just using the name rescue to get rid of dogs that she did not bond with and quit producing so now she wants them gone.. to make room for new breeders??? ughhh Makes me sick.. Donna

It is only a matter of time and you will see more and more of them being dumped. Has happened with every breed.

People are not choosy about what dogs to breed if they see dollar signs and sadly they don't put much thought into placing them ( this thread proves that point) which inevitably will lead to more and more of them being dumped in shelters by irresponsible pet owners.

All of the breeds have clubs and none of the breeds are immune.

[donna1134]

I really feel what she is doing, in the name of rescue, is awful.. I am the chairperson of the BBCAR.. Biewer Breed Club of America Rescue. IF these are really rescue dogs, we would be there for her.. We are a Biewer Rescue, not a club rescue.. All she has to do is turn them over to us. Notify us at HELP@BiewerRescue.com I would think that the BTCA would be aware of this seeing this is a board member.. If a board member, or any member, of our club was to do this, we would not be members for long..

As anyone that has ever been involved in rescue of any animal, it takes many hours to set up fund raising, getting transporters, find foster homes and finally, their new home... We work very hard at getting all this done so that we can be ready when we are needed. When things like this happen, it puts a bad name on rescue and I would be willing to bet that 99% of all rescue clubs would agree.
When I was raising and showing Yorkies, I was involved with rescue and when I got my first Biewer, I was very happy to step up and help with Biewer rescue..

It just upsets me to see that these little guys are being sold instead of being turned over to her rescue or any rescue but the money must be what is stopping her... Bless all of you that have rescue animals... that is the first sign of a very caring person.. and thank you... If we are ever needed, here is our website..
http://www.biewerrescue.com/We are always there.. Donna

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by donna1134

I really feel what she is doing, in the name of rescue, is awful.. I am the chairperson of the BBCAR.. Biewer Breed Club of America Rescue. IF these are really rescue dogs, we would be there for her.. We are a Biewer Rescue, not a club rescue.. All she has to do is turn them over to us. Notify us at HELP@BiewerRescue.com I would think that the BTCA would be aware of this seeing this is a board member.. If a board member, or any member, of our club was to do this, we would not be members for long..

As anyone that has ever been involved in rescue of any animal, it takes many hours to set up fund raising, getting transporters, find foster homes and finally, their new home... We work very hard at getting all this done so that we can be ready when we are needed. When things like this happen, it puts a bad name on rescue and I would be willing to bet that 99% of all rescue clubs would agree.
When I was raising and showing Yorkies, I was involved with rescue and when I got my first Biewer, I was very happy to step up and help with Biewer rescue..

It just upsets me to see that these little guys are being sold instead of being turned over to her rescue or any rescue but the money must be what is stopping her... Bless all of you that have rescue animals... that is the first sign of a very caring person.. and thank you... If we are ever needed, here is our website..
http://www.biewerrescue.com/We are always there.. Donna

Donna, I am at a lost why you think these dogs should be turned over to rescue instead of being sold by the breeder as they should be. Many, many reputable breeders will rehome their breeding stock and find them wonderful homes. They will neuter/spay them and find them a home where they will be loved BUT they will not call them rescue dogs.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Donna, I am at a lost why you think these dogs should be turned over to rescue instead of being sold by the breeder as they should be. Many, many reputable breeders will rehome their breeding stock and find them wonderful homes. They will neuter/spay them and find them a home where they will be loved BUT they will not call them rescue dogs.

I am at a loss as to why a person would keep breeding if they needed to turn to rescue to sell.

[donna1134]

Breeders should sell their own stock. That is not what rescue is for... In this thread, I understand that this person is trying to sell them under the name of rescue.. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand.. Only, and I mean only, the dog can not find a home or the owner can not take care of it, then rescue is the place to go... but to sell dogs under the name of rescue is just plain wrong in my book... but maybe I have read this thread wrong...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by donna1134

Breeders should sell their own stock. That is not what rescue is for... In this thread, I understand that this person is trying to sell them under the name of rescue.. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand.. Only, and I mean only, the dog can not find a home or the owner can not take care of it, then rescue is the place to go... but to sell dogs under the name of rescue is just plain wrong in my book... but maybe I have read this thread wrong...

that is how I read it...and yes, it is wrong

[scrapindee]

Since I was asked, I will respond. First, most breeders say if one can't keep their dog, the breeder needs to be notified......as we have learned through this thread this was not the correct scenario. Yes, I know any breed can land up in a shelter or needing to be rescued. And each of the 3 Biewer clubs has a rescue organization, so yes I thought it was wrong for a Biewer to be in a general rescue when any of the three clubs could be contacted and assistance would've been granted.

Now on the true scenario, imho if you breed dogs and you need to retire a dog or dam for any reason--don't like what colors it throws, too old, too delicate, whatever--the breeder should be spaying/neutering these dogs and placing them --whether for free or cost of spay/neuter--I don't understand why a rescue would be needed. The breeder could post these older dogs on Craig'slist, puppy find, on the front page of her website--probably would mean the breeder might have to focus on these animals--before selling the puppies available.....I agree with Ladyjane on her comment.

Hope I answered your question JenCar.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

Since I was asked, I will respond. First, most breeders say if one can't keep their dog, the breeder needs to be notified......as we have learned through this thread this was not the correct scenario. Yes, I know any breed can land up in a shelter or needing to be rescued. And each of the 3 Biewer clubs has a rescue organization, so yes I thought it was wrong for a Biewer to be in a general rescue when any of the three clubs could be contacted and assistance would've been granted.

Now on the true scenario, imho if you breed dogs and you need to retire a dog or dam for any reason--don't like what colors it throws, too old, too delicate, whatever--the breeder should be spaying/neutering these dogs and placing them --whether for free or cost of spay/neuter--I don't understand why a rescue would be needed. The breeder could post these older dogs on Craig'slist, puppy find, on the front page of her website--probably would mean the breeder might have to focus on these animals--before selling the puppies available.....I agree with Ladyjane on her comment.

Hope I answered your question JenCar.

Sadly though, for some time there have been disreputable Biewer breeders....so, wrong as it may be to use rescues to get homes for retired breeders, it doesn't surprise me to hear of one in a shelter or represented by other breed rescues.

In this case, what is likely to happen to the board member breeder? Are there club rules that would prevent (suspension, fines, etc) her from placing her dogs through a rescue other than Biewer rescue? Or, is it something that is just frowned upon?

[donna1134]

It has been brought to my attention that I am being misunderstood. Let me try to clarify for you..
Rescue is for animals that are in need of us to step in... Breeders are responsibe for their own breedings.. What I am saying is that when a breeder uses the name of rescue to sell her stock, then that is wrong and I don't care what you say...
We are there for any animal that needs us... not for something like this.. What I said is IF these dogs are really turned over to rescue as not having a home, then we would be there for them... We are rescue... not a revenue for a breeder to sell their dogs... I sure hope that I am understood this time...
I do not think that rescue is there to help others sell their dogs.... I really don't know how my email could have been so misunderstood...
To answer another question, she is not a member of our club so I do not know what the rules are there.. I do not think that our club would take very kindly to this sort of thing and I do not think that they would be a member very long...

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Sadly though, for some time there have been disreputable Biewer breeders....so, wrong as it may be to use rescues to get homes for retired breeders, it doesn't surprise me to hear of one in a shelter or represented by other breed rescues.

In this case, what is likely to happen to the board member breeder? Are there club rules that would prevent (suspension, fines, etc) her from placing her dogs through a rescue other than Biewer rescue? Or, is it something that is just frowned upon?

Jen, you are so right. If you go to puppyfind.com you will see over 16 pages of Biewers for sale and the majority of people do not belong to a club so they are just pumping these dogs out. Many of them are in TX and they are just being breed in a puppymill situation. It is so sad because many of them are poorly breed and who knows what the health issues will be with these dogs. If you read the descriptions posted on these dogs they ALL have been raised in a family envoirnment and are very much loved as a family member...yea right.

These has always been one of my biggest issues how clubs talk about doing everything for the "betterment of the breeds" but most of them will do nothing to interfer with how the breeders handle their dog business. Over and over they will turn a blind eye to mistreatment of the animals and very unethical/moral business practices.

The other sad part is how breeders will protect each other if they belong to a club and will talk about each other behind their backs but will do nothing to protect the dogs. I have watched it happen here on YT abd watched breeders promoting other breeders and they have never been to their house nor do they know how the animals are really treated. When you see breeders strongly promoting other breeders or has other breeders dogs on their website people should run in the other direction...it is all about selling dogs for these people$$$ and not what is best for the dogs.

I think it is very important to remind people that just because someone belongs to a club does not mean they are good people nor do they do what is right by their dogs. I have watched breeders over the years learn to say the "right" thing but they don't have a clue about their dogs...they only know how to sell them with the right language. I have also watched rescue groups do the same thing.

I can only warn people to read between the lines and just because someone is "nice" does not mean they care about their dogs, even rescue people.

I also don't believe it makes sense that Biewers should only be rescued by a Biewer club...that would be very harmful to the dogs. Biewers are Yorkies and there is a much bigger database for Yorkie rescue (and people who know what they are doing in regards to rescue) then the few people who would take in a Biewer in the clubs. I think the lead Biewer people can help but I certainly do not want to see dogs being shipped all over the place.

All clubs must have a rescue organization in order to be consider for AKC and so many new breeds have rescue on paper but they are breeders and I feel the best place for a dog that needs a new home should go to a group that only handles rescues. Many breeders have their own dogs to sell and their puppies to raise and they will move the rescue out to fast. Not all but many just won't place the rescue very high in their priority. Many breeders do not know how to handle dogs that have been abused as they are used to working with very young dogs so there is a lack of experience in this area.

My hat is off to anyone that will help place these precious little ones into new and wonderful homes and do what is right by the dogs.

[Dago]

I must say I'm extremely impressed with some of the posters on this thread. They have been able to discern a persons whole breeding program, their morals, ethics, and above all how they run their business without ever meeting them or being in their home. Would any of you mind if I contacted you for help with my business. I will assume, with such great wisdom and foresight that you are all quite well off, thus have the time to offer assistance.

I contacted the agency and the information I received is nothing like the information being posted here. What agency are you with livingdustmop?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Dago

I must say I'm extremely impressed with some of the posters on this thread. They have been able to discern a persons whole breeding program, their morals, ethics, and above all how they run their business without ever meeting them or being in their home. Would any of you mind if I contacted you for help with my business. I will assume, with such great wisdom and foresight that you are all quite well off, thus have the time to offer assistance.

I contacted the agency and the information I received is nothing like the information being posted here. What agency are you with livingdustmop?

What business do you own?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

What business do you own?

You know what....scratch that question. This forum is for rescues....someone needs to either close this thread now or move it to another forum.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Dago

I must say I'm extremely impressed with some of the posters on this thread. They have been able to discern a persons whole breeding program, their morals, ethics, and above all how they run their business without ever meeting them or being in their home. Would any of you mind if I contacted you for help with my business. I will assume, with such great wisdom and foresight that you are all quite well off, thus have the time to offer assistance.

I contacted the agency and the information I received is nothing like the information being posted here. What agency are you with livingdustmop?

Well, it doesn't matter what agency I am with...what you have here is a Board member of a club who is getting rid of her retired breeding dogs under the premise they are rescues. Explain to me why I would have to go to her home or meet her to understand this is not what a reputable breeder would do.