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omichka · 03-28-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiesmiles

omichka - can I ask why are you posting all these links here? Please start a new thread if you want to discuss other shows. I started this thread so people would know about the report & so we could discuss it.

Sorry, I will not anymore

. It seems like I just didn't read very careful the topic, sorry

yorkiesmiles · 03-28-2009, 12:11 PM

Watching this a second time - it is really evident that the piece was more about the Amish & Mennonites than the puppy mills themselves. Listen to the beginning of the piece - the intro is not about the dogs or the mills - it's about the Amish.

Amish & Mennonites believe spiritually what I believe as a fundamental Christian. They believe the Bible is the holy inspired word of God. They believe in the Trinity. But I do believe they are missing a huge piece.

They think we are all fools for caring about dogs as companions. It's hard to get past that. They are so sheltered from the rest of the world - change doesn't come or doesn't come quickly in their world. They are continual fighting against being anything like the outside world in every way. It is not only a cultural way of life, it is also generational. They live their lives like the way everyone did 150 yrs ago, they don't want the modern world, and they fight it more & more as our culture goes more bizerk . Theirs is a mind-set that is not going to change over night, or even in the next decade. The way I see it, there are only 2 ways their practice of breeding dogs is ever going to change. One way change may come is with tough enough breeding laws and hard-core inspections to knock them out of business.

I'm not making excuses for the Amish - but when you see reports like this, it's like they don't know better or believe it would make a difference in how they make things for the dogs. The dogs are truly commodities in their eyes, no different than a chicken or a cow. Except, with dogs all the crazy, foolish outsiders want one. If we all wanted chickens in our living rooms, they'd be breeding them like mad-fire.

If laws don't change - the only other thing that is going to change the ways of the Amish & Mennonites is change is going to have to come in the ways of the CONSUMER!

Everyone who purchases from the Amish or from a pet store is responsible! This is where the responsibility also lies! Granted, I know many among us say - I didn't know better when I purchased from a pet store. But if you have learned better now - please, please help spread the word, help shut down the mills, protest, educate, write letters, get involved - don't set on your hands.

Breeding dogs in mass is probably the easiest money an Amish family can make - no wonder they laugh at the outsiders who want their dogs. The easy money is also why so many of this facilities exist in Lancaster County, PA & every other Amish community across the US. When you look at it from that point of view, you almost have to wonder why every single Amish family doesn't breed puppies in mass. -- That very fact makes me wonder, if there are Amish & Mennonite families who do view dog breeding more like the rest of the world?? Would love to know that.

omichka · 03-28-2009, 02:26 PM

Now I know why the amish are so quiet,they are hiding something. The God I serve is a loving God. What God does the amish serve? (q)

The Amish truly are among the worst of the offenders in the way that they treat their animals, both dogs and horses
Amish puppy millers have personally told me that God gave them animals to "make a living off of" and no man or government is going to tell them how to treat their animals.

Amish & Mennonite Puppymills - Pet Talk

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Puppy Mill Information

The Amish: Allegations of animal neglect at puppy mills

http://www.pixiedustpapillons.com/am...ppy_mills.html

http://www.columbusdogconnection.com...llArticles.htm

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Inhumane Puppy Mills

http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory...orum/1873.aspx

Amish puppy mills in Lancaster - PhillyBlog - Philadelphia

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Maybe not all Amish are puppymillers but a huge majority of them are. I live in Amish country, I see them everyday. Unfortunately I don't think very highly of the Amish anymore. They aren't all bad but unfortunately many are. Puppymills are very very common here and yes they come from the Amish. The Amish view the dogs as livestock so they don't put much care into them. I have seen a lot of Amish around here take such poor care of their horses as well. It is so sad because I see it everyday. So in general, I would never buy a puppy from the Amish and would advise people against it as well

.....During this time we called our Vet and told him what we were doing where we were at and what we had found... He told us to RUN, RUN as fast we could from that place.. He told me that it was sooooooooo VERY COMMON among the Amish! He said .. do NOT buy from them or any other Amish because chances are you will be a very unhappy dog owner.. I am so thankful for the signs and redflags that were given. “In the Amish community, so-called puppy mills are a big source of income,” said Andy McIlvain, manager for the Pennsylvania Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Wellsboro, Tioga County.

“Part of their culture is selling lots of products, and generally the Amish look at animals as another resource to sell"

http://www.animalliberationfront.com...mishSecret.htm

omichka · 03-28-2009, 02:34 PM

I decided to post this info as addition to your post re Amish. I read about them at least a couple years ago. Maybe, it will open eyes for another side of Amish.

PS: In past, I had very hard time when I tried to post information like that. People didn't believe that MOST of them are puppy millers and reacted very aggressively. I am very glad that FINALLY TV tell about them.

Also, if you would like I can post a map of puppy mills in Lancaster, PA, Ohio, etc. and you will see that counties that have most of PM also are high Amish population in many cases.

yorkiesmiles · 03-28-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by omichka

I decided to post this info as addition to your post re Amish. I read about them at least a couple years ago. Maybe, it will open eyes for another side of Amish.

PS: In past, I had very hard time when I tried to post information like that. People didn't believe that MOST of them are puppy millers and reacted very aggressively. I am very glad that FINALLY TV tell about them.

Also, if you would like I can post a map of puppy mills in Lancaster, PA, Ohio, etc. and you will see that counties that have most of PM also are high Amish population in many cases.

There are so many good or nice things about these people - that is why I think so many people have a hard time believing that such "good" people would be guilty of such tremendous crimes against God's creatures

03-28-2009, 12:11 PM	#32
yorkiesmiles Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,493	Watching this a second time - it is really evident that the piece was more about the Amish & Mennonites than the puppy mills themselves. Listen to the beginning of the piece - the intro is not about the dogs or the mills - it's about the Amish. Amish & Mennonites believe spiritually what I believe as a fundamental Christian. They believe the Bible is the holy inspired word of God. They believe in the Trinity. But I do believe they are missing a huge piece. They think we are all fools for caring about dogs as companions. It's hard to get past that. They are so sheltered from the rest of the world - change doesn't come or doesn't come quickly in their world. They are continual fighting against being anything like the outside world in every way. It is not only a cultural way of life, it is also generational. They live their lives like the way everyone did 150 yrs ago, they don't want the modern world, and they fight it more & more as our culture goes more bizerk . Theirs is a mind-set that is not going to change over night, or even in the next decade. The way I see it, there are only 2 ways their practice of breeding dogs is ever going to change. One way change may come is with tough enough breeding laws and hard-core inspections to knock them out of business. I'm not making excuses for the Amish - but when you see reports like this, it's like they don't know better or believe it would make a difference in how they make things for the dogs. The dogs are truly commodities in their eyes, no different than a chicken or a cow. Except, with dogs all the crazy, foolish outsiders want one. If we all wanted chickens in our living rooms, they'd be breeding them like mad-fire. If laws don't change - the only other thing that is going to change the ways of the Amish & Mennonites is change is going to have to come in the ways of the CONSUMER! Everyone who purchases from the Amish or from a pet store is responsible! This is where the responsibility also lies! Granted, I know many among us say - I didn't know better when I purchased from a pet store. But if you have learned better now - please, please help spread the word, help shut down the mills, protest, educate, write letters, get involved - don't set on your hands. Breeding dogs in mass is probably the easiest money an Amish family can make - no wonder they laugh at the outsiders who want their dogs. The easy money is also why so many of this facilities exist in Lancaster County, PA & every other Amish community across the US. When you look at it from that point of view, you almost have to wonder why every single Amish family doesn't breed puppies in mass. -- That very fact makes me wonder, if there are Amish & Mennonite families who do view dog breeding more like the rest of the world?? Would love to know that. __________________ yorkiesmiles Loved by Bubba & Roxy *Holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come*

03-28-2009, 02:34 PM	#34
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	I decided to post this info as addition to your post re Amish. I read about them at least a couple years ago. Maybe, it will open eyes for another side of Amish. PS: In past, I had very hard time when I tried to post information like that. People didn't believe that MOST of them are puppy millers and reacted very aggressively. I am very glad that FINALLY TV tell about them. Also, if you would like I can post a map of puppy mills in Lancaster, PA, Ohio, etc. and you will see that counties that have most of PM also are high Amish population in many cases. Last edited by omichka; 03-28-2009 at 02:36 PM.

03-28-2009, 02:26 PM	#33
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	Now I know why the amish are so quiet,they are hiding something. The God I serve is a loving God. What God does the amish serve? (q) The Amish truly are among the worst of the offenders in the way that they treat their animals, both dogs and horses Amish puppy millers have personally told me that God gave them animals to "make a living off of" and no man or government is going to tell them how to treat their animals. Amish & Mennonite Puppymills - Pet Talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Puppy Mill Information The Amish: Allegations of animal neglect at puppy mills http://www.pixiedustpapillons.com/am...ppy_mills.html http://www.columbusdogconnection.com...llArticles.htm cache:...lnk - Google Search Inhumane Puppy Mills http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory...orum/1873.aspx Amish puppy mills in Lancaster - PhillyBlog - Philadelphia copy Maybe not all Amish are puppymillers but a huge majority of them are. I live in Amish country, I see them everyday. Unfortunately I don't think very highly of the Amish anymore. They aren't all bad but unfortunately many are. Puppymills are very very common here and yes they come from the Amish. The Amish view the dogs as livestock so they don't put much care into them. I have seen a lot of Amish around here take such poor care of their horses as well. It is so sad because I see it everyday. So in general, I would never buy a puppy from the Amish and would advise people against it as well .....During this time we called our Vet and told him what we were doing where we were at and what we had found... He told us to RUN, RUN as fast we could from that place.. He told me that it was sooooooooo VERY COMMON among the Amish! He said .. do NOT buy from them or any other Amish because chances are you will be a very unhappy dog owner.. I am so thankful for the signs and redflags that were given. “In the Amish community, so-called puppy mills are a big source of income,” said Andy McIlvain, manager for the Pennsylvania Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Wellsboro, Tioga County. “Part of their culture is selling lots of products, and generally the Amish look at animals as another resource to sell" http://www.animalliberationfront.com...mishSecret.htm