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Candy317 · 05-27-2008, 06:49 PM

Hello I'm new. I'll post my intro later. But I have to comment on this issue first. I would expect it from non-dog lovers, but hearing it from dog lovers? I'm applaud I adore and admire the yorkie breed although I don't own one, but as well I adore and admire the american pit bull terrier breed, although I don't own one.

I will defend a yorkie if its being bashed on a pit bull forum if they're saying things like all yorkies should be put down, because they're all bad with kids, are ankle biters, snappy, and yappy.

You can't go and say these people are wrong for saying these things, when you say all pit bulls are killing machines. But you sure can INFORM them that not in all cases its true.

If this is the mentality you have then......lets abort all black babies since african-americans make up for the highest rate of crimes. Lets say that those police officers were fair and just for shooting, Sean Bell 50 TIMES, because he was black, and as we all know like pit bulls, ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS. Lets kill all the homosexuals, because they have the highest rate of HIV/AIDS. Lets be like the Nazis and put all pit bulls in gas chambers, just because they were born a certain breed...like they did with the Jews.

Unless you think these are valid points, then why would you say 'lets kill all pit bulls, they are all to blame'.....its the SAME MENTALITY.

This is the reason why I won't become a humane law enforcer and help animals. Because I don't want to pry a best friend out of a 5 year old boy. I don't want to destory the only friend a elderly woman has in her life. I don't want to put down a three month old puppy, just starting life, becuse it ws born a hated breed. I don't want to put down a beloved hyperactive 2 year old pit bull. I don't want to put down a 12 year old gray muzzle pit bull, who did nothing wrong, but be born a pit bull.

Lets stop all dog hate.

If this the case, because they're pit bulls and they kill something, lets put down pomeranians as well. A POMERANIAN killed a 6 month old baby not to long ago. But of course this isn't as nearly important as when a pit bull does it. Pit bull stories sell. So the media reports them. But ask any vet which family dog breed they put down the most...most the time it ISN'T a pit bull. But these cases, don't go to the public. So it goes unheard of to us.

Just recently on another dog forum, someone posted on how a family pet, GOLDEN RETRIEVER snapped on his owner. He has some serious bite wounds, and he was going for the owners throat. Let it been one of his daugthers, it would of been a fatality. But this owner DID NOT LEAVE HIS CHILDREN UNDERSUPERVISE WITH THE FAMILY DOG. No not the family PIT BULL, the family dog. As for why the dog snapped? It would of been a brain tumor, could of been rabies, who knows.......but its not because 'his brain swelled, because it has a small head'.

Same dog forum, different dog. A lab goes after a woman, her baby, and her pit bull who was leashed. The owner of the LOOSE AGGRESSIVE lab shots the pit bull, who was only protecting his family after the two dogs go at it. The pit bull did nothing, but protect his family. If the lab would of died...oh well, you shouldn't of had your lab loose and better the lab get killed for trying to attack than the baby get killed from the aggressive lab attacking it.

My dog gets hit by a SUV. You don't see me banning all SUVs for doing so. I will not own one, because of the impct it did to my dog. But it wasn't the SUVs fault it was the DRIVERS fault, and MY fault for having my dog offleash. Just switch suv to pit bull and driver to owner, same concept.

Its sad that once a dog grows in popularity it becomes 'america's new trget'. Some time ago PIT BULLS, yes pit bulls were america's family dog. They were referred as ''nanny dogs'', because they were so good with kids. But the downfall to this populraity is that they fall in the wrong hands like drug delers and dog fighters. Oh by the way, Micheal Vick's fighting pit bulls? Most of them were adopted out and are in loving homes. Hellen Keller? Had a pit bull. Lil'Rascal's dog Petey? Pit Bull.

Of course no one wants to her the positive, just negative. Who cares that a pit bull got certified as a therapy dog, lets put him down and not let him help someone who can't help themselves.

Dobermans were america's target dog. They became widely use as guard dogs. Since Billy hit the ball over his neighbor's fence, and Billy's mom wasn't supervising him, he goes over and gets attack by this dog and the doberman gets a bad rep.

Now I hear more and more Lab bites happening, why, because dumbwit owners don't socialize their dog or don't supervise them. To add to the problem people are not watching their kids/other dogs with other dogs.

If it has teeth it can bite, it can kill. I don't trust my dogs with other dogs, no matter wht size. In dog parks, if I see an aggressive toy breed, even if its 3lbs bigger thn my dogs, I'll leave. I'm not going to wait to find out if that this toy dog has the ability to kill my dogs. Then the owner comes to me with BS that, their dog never did anything like this before and gasp the world is shock that a toy breed could kill nother dog.

For instance, my sister's unaltered shih tzu went at it with my altered bichon over some food. If this happened while they were unsupervised, I would of came home to a dead dog. I think, even though my bichon if bigger than the shih tzu, my dog would of been the one dead. Fixed dogs are least likely to bite than unaltered dogs.

Fixing dogs and supervision, I cn't stress this enough. Could save lives here people.

No I would never punish a dog for biting/ttcking. Most the time it happens when dogs are unsupervised. I think there should be a law that bans STUPID OWNERS from owning dogs so these things don't happen. My neighbor's doxie has been a terrorizing passerbys for who knows how long. Do I think this dog should be pts? NO. But this dog definitely needs some socialization and some new owners. Same thing if it hppened to be a pit bull running amok in the streets.

For the person who lost your yorkie while it was on a leash, my sympathy goes out to you...I hope you got justice. But blaming all pit bulls for it, won't stop it from happening again. So we kill all pit bulls...then you know wht hppens? John Smith from down the street owns an aggressive dog down the street and it kills another dog for beinging loose. Destorying breeds won't solve the tragic killings of dogs/people. People should start socializing their dogs and keep the dangerous ones out from the public. People should also always supervise THEIR pets/kids so these sort of things don't happen.

Let me use personal exmples. I had a rat terrier who was dog aggressive, breed NOT known for dog aggression. I also had an akita mix who was dog aggressive, known for dog aggression. I wouldn't trust neither of these dogs with a strange dog coming to greet them. Now my bichon is dog friendly, so is my pit bull mix I had as a child, I would trust them with a strange dog, but of course SUPERVISED.

My pit bull mix dog, could of even been pure for all I know, was great with kids. She let my 3yr. old brother at the time pull her tail, ride on her back, pull on her ears. Terrible dog manners, but who would of known a pit bull did not bite back? My 6lbs rt terrier? If that was done to her, my brother would be in the hospital with some severe dog bites.

What will it take for this breedism to stop? Its never the dogs fault. Its the owners. Any dog has the ability to bite and kill. I do think a dog a bit bigger than a yorkie let it be a lab, pit bull, cocker spaniel has the ability to KILL a yorkie if THAT DOG, not BREED is dog aggressive.

I think we can all agree, not all yorkies are ill-mnner dogs. So not all pit bulls are killing mchines. Please don't judge on a dog's breed, but on the individual dog itself. Every dog is different. We also can agree with its OWNERS who make dogs this way 'yappy, snappy',ect', for not socializing or training them. Why can't the same be apply to pit bull owners? People are damaging breeds, not the breeds themselves.

I protect my small dogs from all elements, NOT JUST PIT BULLS. Toy dogs, small dogs, medium dogs, large dogs.

Oh for the christians who are saying these comments, who are we to play God? Maybe God has a reason for why these dogs are on this planet.

THIS SENSELESS KILLINGS HaS TO STOP. BSL might not be affecting you, but its affecting many innocent dogs and is hurting many dog owners nationwide. They start with pit bulls, but they keep on adding breeds..........WHEN WILL YOUR BREED BE NEXT?

Oh and muzzles? Makes the problem worst. They feel more threaten and most muzzles won't be strong enough if they feel the right to fight. Oh and if a loose dog approaches my dog who has a muzzle on and can't fight back from being attack, then what? It wasn't MY dog who started the fight, but my dog had to pay for it.

I NEVER will go to a groomers who uses a muzzle to restrain a dog from biting. My dog was terrible getting her nails done. Took her to a groomer, groomer puts on a muzzle, my dog got more stressed out then she already was, had a seizure on the table. Went to another groomer who didn't use muzzle, she did fine, freaked out a bit, but with patience, she wasn't so stressed out and had no seizures. Muzzles are a bandage on a boo boo, but won't make the boo boo go away. Socailization and training makes the problem go away. Not IGNORING the problem by just putting a muzzle on a dog.

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Candy317 · 05-27-2008, 06:50 PM

Sorry for my long vent, but I almost nearly cried hearing some of the responses. Should I go back in time and kill my pit bull mix dog, who never did anything wrong, just because she was a killing machine 'breed' and one day was going to snap on me or kill someone's pet or child? Which NEVER happened, by the way. Shocking isn't it?

Oh by the way....Do you really know what a pit bull is? Find out if you really do.
Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

This is a problem with banning a breed, most the time the dog is misidentified., just because it 'looks' like one.

Candy317 · 05-27-2008, 08:03 PM

Beagle attacks girl Quote from victims mother:
"You always think it's a Pitbull or Rottweiler. It doesn't matter what kind of dog it is, you never know when this will happen to your kid," Irene said.

Weiner dog (assume Dachshund) -
John Baca Park, injury.A 2-year-old was bit in the face by a "small wiener dog" that was off its leash. The child was taken to a hospital to be examined and it was determined the child would need plastic surgery, 7:35 p.m.

Lab Mix - In the article the breed isn't mentioned, but in the video report Lab mix was stated. That would NEVER happen if it were a pit bull type or Rottie type incident.

Miniature Pincher:
A resident of the 100 block of E. Willow Road was issued a municipal citation of $103.50 for having a dog at large Nov. 3 after a miniature Doberman pinscher escaped from a fenced back yard. An officer who tried to grab the dog's collar was bitten.

MORE OTHER NON-PIT BULLS...

Punish the Deed, not the Breed!

PREVENT STORIES LIKE THESE
Punish the Deed, not the Breed!

STORIES WE DON'T HEAR
Punish the Deed, not the Breed!

Oh yes lets put them to sleep for helping save lives too

SunnyDaze · 05-28-2008, 06:21 AM

Candy 317
I applaud your answer. I own a 7 pound Yorkie and a 65 pound American
PitBull Terrier. " the PitBull" was trained as a service Dog when I had spinal
surgery" He is allowed everywhere I go. At one time in American History
we had a Hero during one of the wars. were the poster child for RCA.I think if you get down to bare facts the most dangerous living
creature is Man himself, with prejudice and hatred.
By the way I was able to pick out the on the fist try. My dog has lineage starting from 1882.
Again I applaud you in your defence of all Breeds.
SunnyDaze

bhamkid · 05-28-2008, 09:09 AM

This just lets us know that we have to be aware of our surroundings, since there are so many unresponsible owners. I have a friend and each time I go visit, I have to call inside the house before I get out of the car. Their neighbor owns several pits, and fails to leash them, or take responsibility for their actions. Once I was getting out of the car, and forgot to call inside so she could have the neighbor put the dogs away; when I realized it, the dog was standing right beside the car door.
By the time I realized the dog was there, it was trying to attack my leg. I actually had to almost hit the dog with the door to keep it from riping my leg and the rest of me as well. As soon as I got back in the car, I dialed 9-1-1 and they came. But by the time the police got there, she (the neighbor) had taken the dogs, and left with them in her car. This is truly sickening, and I feel that that particular breed needs to die off, and never be bred again.

Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bhamkid

This just lets us know that we have to be aware of our surroundings, since there are so many unresponsible owners. I have a friend and each time I go visit, I have to call inside the house before I get out of the car. Their neighbor owns several pits, and fails to leash them, or take responsibility for their actions. Once I was getting out of the car, and forgot to call inside so she could have the neighbor put the dogs away; when I realized it, the dog was standing right beside the car door.
By the time I realized the dog was there, it was trying to attack my leg. I actually had to almost hit the dog with the door to keep it from riping my leg and the rest of me as well. As soon as I got back in the car, I dialed 9-1-1 and they came. But by the time the police got there, she (the neighbor) had taken the dogs, and left with them in her car. This is truly sickening, and I feel that that particular breed needs to die off, and never be bred again.

This is the OWNERS fault, not the BREED. If it were labs, would you want them to die off too?

Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SunnyDaze

Candy 317
I applaud your answer. I own a 7 pound Yorkie and a 65 pound American
PitBull Terrier. " the PitBull" was trained as a service Dog when I had spinal
surgery" He is allowed everywhere I go. At one time in American History
we had a Hero during one of the wars. were the poster child for RCA.I think if you get down to bare facts the most dangerous living
creature is Man himself, with prejudice and hatred.
By the way I was able to pick out the on the fist try. My dog has lineage starting from 1882.
Again I applaud you in your defence of all Breeds.
SunnyDaze

Thank you. Your dogs both your YORKIE and PIT BULL are darlings.

Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 10:41 AM

For the pit bulls in the article...should they be pts?

Depends...if the owners KNEW their dog was aggressive, then yes. They should always have those dogs restrined.

If this isn't the first time its happened.......then yes, they knew what they re capble of.

But sometimes owners don't and accidents hppen.

We as humans aren't perfect and sometimes are dogs get loose.

These two dogs could become aggressive since they're in a pack. Would of the owners of known that? No obviously since they've never witness this behavior since the two dogs seem to get along.

Dogs in packs/groups gang up.........EVEN YORKIES......its the wolves in them to do so, thats what they do. Dog owners should be aware of this when the purchase a dog, even small breed owners. I've heard of a group of rat terriers [6-8lbs dogs] gang up on a chihuahua. It can happen with an breed. Especially TERRIERS, thats what the were BRED for, american pit bull TERRIERS and yorkshire TERRIERS alike.

Prey drive has lot to do with it. Dogs have this thing in their head, if it runs, we chase, we kill. Even YORKIES. How many of your TERRIERS go after cats, squirrels, anything smaller than them? Want to know why? The WOLF in them. So who are we to blme that these pit bulls saw something smaller than them running and had the PREY DRIVE to kill it? If a squirrel happens to be in my backyrd and my dog kills it, my dog isn't a monster. But to these dogs OUR small sized dogs are SQURRIELS to them, but then we label them monsters when the do the same?

This is why most dog parks have a small dog area and a big dog area to prevent this. Most people believe that pit bulls and GREYHOUNDS shouldn't be allowed in dog parks, because of their HIGH PREY DRIVE. Though I've seem some well adjusted NO PREY DRIVE pits and greyhounds at dog parks. It depends again ON THE DOG, not BREED.

Though this could be explained as to why it happened, its sad that it happened and my sympathies go out to the yorkie's owners. I hope this doesn't occur again with these two dogs, now that the owner knows what they're capble of doing.

But please know this could of happened with any BREED.

Most of my friends haven't been bit by large breed dogs, mostly chihuahuas, yorkies, poms, malteses, poodles, shih tzus,,,,,but they don't hold a grudge on them. Well most don't, to some they're all ankle-biters. But once the meet my dogs, the change their mind, but still won't own one.

Lou · 05-28-2008, 11:37 AM

Candy,
I own a gun and the law wants to take it away from me. Everyone knows how dangerous a gun is and they should all be destroyed. Yes?
No, it isn't the gun it is the gun owner that is the danger. That is why guns should be registered and buyers need to have their backgrounds checked. Same thing with pit bulls. They need to be registered and, yes, muzzled in public. Anyone that isn't fit to own one should be denied ownership. And no, I don't think that "labs" need to be treated in the same way. Go back and look at my post with the link to the stats. Pit Bulls have the most bites and kills of ALL breeds. Doesn't that tell you something? No one on this thread made up the figures.

If dog fighting weren't so popular then maybe this would all be a moot point but until society figures out a way of making all humans perfect I guess we will have to deal with each problem as it comes along. I'm sorry you are upset about the posts suggesting these dogs be put down and I don't want to see all pit bulls killed. But ANY dog that attacks anyone or anything without good cause needs to be eliminated for the safety of others.

Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou

Candy,
I own a gun and the law wants to take it away from me. Everyone knows how dangerous a gun is and they should all be destroyed. Yes?
No, it isn't the gun it is the gun owner that is the danger. That is why guns should be registered and buyers need to have their backgrounds checked. Same thing with pit bulls. They need to be registered and, yes, muzzled in public. Anyone that isn't fit to own one should be denied ownership. And no, I don't think that "labs" need to be treated in the same way. Go back and look at my post with the link to the stats. Pit Bulls have the most bites and kills of ALL breeds. Doesn't that tell you something? No one on this thread made up the figures.

If dog fighting weren't so popular then maybe this would all be a moot point but until society figures out a way of making all humans perfect I guess we will have to deal with each problem as it comes along. I'm sorry you are upset about the posts suggesting these dogs be put down and I don't want to see all pit bulls killed. But ANY dog that attacks anyone or anything without good cause needs to be eliminated for the safety of others.

Yes it does tell be something, there are more stupid people owning this breed. These people who use them for guard pets often don't have any means on owning dog. Let it be a pit or golden. I do agree with with denied ownership, but not with just pits, but all dogs. I'm tired of these dogs used for fights like I'm tired of yorkies used as fashion asscesories and only that.

But when you say lets kill them all, you're saying lets killed the ones that haven't done anything wrong, the service dogs, the family pets whom are owned by RESPONSIBLE pet owners.

Wht does dog fighting have to do with any of this? These dogs are usually LOCKED UP way from the public, so the owners don't get caught. Most the time these attacks are from irresponsible people who own these breeds that keep them loose.

I gave you a cause for why any dog not just pit bulls attack....its their prey drive. Should dogs be put down for that? NO. How to prevent them is not killing them off, its owners doing they're part.

From the same site you used...

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards.

Same thing could of happened with a pit bull or lab.

From the same site you used.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

But of course we overpass that and only read where it says pits and rotts are the ones causing most the dog bites.

NO I'm not going to muzzle a dog who hasn't done anything wrong. Why should Sunnydaze muzzle her SERVICE DOG?

Muzzles make dogs MORE aggressive........hey you want to add on to the problem, be my guest. Like I said muzzling dog isn't going to doa nything, if its already on lesh, its beinging restrained by its owner already. But if your loose dog comes and attacks my dog, how will my leashed and MUZZLED dog going to protect itself?!

Yes other dogs do have the strength to KILL a pit bull, given enough aggression/force/strength. Like most say it only takes one bite on the throat. If my dog is muzzled it can't fight the dog off and has no chance in defending itself.

2007's Top 10 Biting Breeds, Florida

Miami Dade County Animal Control: 992 bites

Miami Dade County has had a pit bull ban in place for nearly 2 decades.

Terrier: 108
Labrador mix: 95
Shepherd mix: 90
Mixed breed: 81
German shepherd: 53
Chow mix: 50
Boxer: 39
Rottweiler: 33
Pit bull: 32
American bulldog: 30

Broward County Animal Control: 616 bites

Broward County does not have a pit bull ban.

Pit bull: 182
Labrador retriever: 50
German shepherd: 40
Rottweiler : 36
Shepherd: 29
Chow chow: 23
Bulldog: 17
Boxer: 14
Unknown (mixed): 14
Jack Russell Terrier: 13

Yes pit bulls are up there, but thats because and I can say because I LIVE here, more thugs/gangstas own these dogs and they don't properly take care of them, letting them loose, ect. But why not labs again? Lookie here? Stop all this ''this breed is more dangerous than the other'' It can happen with any breed. Why even WITH a breed ban are there more dog attacks in Dade than Broward, even though Dade has the pit bull ban? More IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS live in Dade than Broward, that's why.

Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 12:50 PM

See also the number of terriers? Why? PREY DRIVE.

In Dade there's more poverty, drug dealers, things of that sort. In Broward there's a bunch of wannabes, but the social class is a bit higher in more places than Dade has. Dade has its higher social class, but more lower social class.

Since we in Broward are allowed to own pits, there's lots of bybs. Thus more irresponsible owners, who have no business in owning the breed that a responsible breeder wouldn't sell one too.

Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 01:04 PM

I wonder how those numbers stack up to the actual numbers of each... if there are 40,000 pitbulls in Broward County but only 2,000 Labs - then yeah, statistically, you'd be more likely to get bit by a Lab...it depends on the popularity of the dog in the are, not the breed. In my city anywho you see more pits than labs, yet labs bite more?

Shows how much the breed's popularity has to do with it, not the breed.

Lou · 05-28-2008, 01:14 PM

I think we are closer than you think in our thoughts. I don't think Pit bulls should be eliminated. I think bad owners should be. The only thing I think we disagree on is putting the dog down. As far as that matter goes my thoughts are not just on pit bulls. ANY dog that attacks is more likely to attack a second time and I'm not willing to risk that. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

The reason I brought up dog fighting is because I think that is where pit bulls get the worst part of their reputations. Other breeds don't come to mind when one hears about a dog fighting ring being busted. By the way, can those dogs be trained to NOT attack other dogs even by the best of handlers? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ I really don't know the answer to that question.

I hope I haven't offended you, I'm really not trying to do that. There are many many of us on this board and we have strong feelings and defend our beloved pets with a vengeance. I understand your feelings and hope that other owners are as protective and careful as you seem to be.

One of these days we will have to discuss our feelings about kill or no kill shelters.

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Candy317 · 05-28-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou

I think we are closer than you think in our thoughts. I don't think Pit bulls should be eliminated. I think bad owners should be. The only thing I think we disagree on is putting the dog down. As far as that matter goes my thoughts are not just on pit bulls. ANY dog that attacks is more likely to attack a second time and I'm not willing to risk that. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

The reason I brought up dog fighting is because I think that is where pit bulls get the worst part of their reputations. Other breeds don't come to mind when one hears about a dog fighting ring being busted. By the way, can those dogs be trained to NOT attack other dogs even by the best of handlers? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ I really don't know the answer to that question.

I hope I haven't offended you, I'm really not trying to do that. There are many many of us on this board and we have strong feelings and defend our beloved pets with a vengeance. I understand your feelings and hope that other owners are as protective and careful as you seem to be.

One of these days we will have to discuss our feelings about kill or no kill shelters.

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Thank you for understanding.

I understand your compassion for the yorkie breed. This breed too has its issues like puppymills. Which I'm against, but understand this same compassion pit bull owners have to deal with the bad apples of the dog world who make their breed look bad and they too have a voice to defend their breed.

as far as fighting dogs go, it depends. Some can NEVER be dog friendly. Some pits aren't dog friendly. But doesn't mean it makes them unfit for us people as dog owners. I agree with you, they might attack again if given the chance, but some who take on dog ggressive dogs don't let that chance happen

I'm sure you are aware of Micheal Vick and his dog fighting case?

Well as far as his dogs go....

Michael Vick Fighting Dogs Get "Rehab" Care

''Out of 48 dogs rescued from the operation, 22 now live at the no-kill animal shelter, where many could need lifetime care, experts say.''

Almost half of the pit bulls rescued from football star Michael Vick's estate last year were allowed their first media appearance this morning at a Utah animal shelter.

The event follows the end of a court gag order that had been placed on the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Kanab, which has been housing 22 of the dogs for the past three weeks.

The shelter, one of the nation's largest no-kill animal rescue facilities, took in the pit bulls to help rehabilitate them from their former lives as illegal fighting dogs.

"There are actually quite a few of them that seem 100 percent adoptable," said Frank McMillan, one of the sanctuary's head veterinarians. "Ultimately the goal is to get almost all of them adopted."

Before that happens, though, the dogs will stay 6 to 12 months at the sanctuary so they can begin healing from their traumatic past and so that staff have more time to learn about their personalities.

Amstaffer · 05-28-2008, 04:03 PM

I just saw this thread and had to respond....

I would like to first say that this was a true tragedy and as someone who loves my dogs very deeply my heart goes out to the owner.

With that said stereotypes of any kind are either bold face lies or just born out of ignorance. Pit Bulls (most likely you mean American Pit Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers) are not born killers of other dogs or humans.

Any dog that becomes a killer of anything is the result of human encouragement, neglect or abuse.

I am sure some of you are just going to write me off as crazy pit bull lover but before you do....answer this simple question

Why can you go to any dog show UKC or AKC and see many intact male Pit Bulls walking around kids, other dogs and strangers who poke and prod them (Judges) and no one EVER gets bit or attacked?

or try answering this question...

Why when given temperament test at shelters to judge stability and human aggression why does the Pit Bull consistently out score most other breeds?
ATTS - American Temperament Test Society, Inc. - ATTS Breed Statistics - page 1 http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pit-bul...ggression.html

The average score for all breeds is roughly 77% rate of passing (safe)

The average score for the American Pit Bull terrier (Pit Bulls official name) is 84%

Don't take the emotional and intellectual short cut of stereotypes they are lies and often hurt innocent people (or dogs)

We should all be working for stricter laws against abuse and neglect of dogs and laws against dangerous dogs not dog breeds!

05-28-2008, 09:09 AM	#65
bhamkid Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bessemer, AL USA Posts: 10	Too Outdone This just lets us know that we have to be aware of our surroundings, since there are so many unresponsible owners. I have a friend and each time I go visit, I have to call inside the house before I get out of the car. Their neighbor owns several pits, and fails to leash them, or take responsibility for their actions. Once I was getting out of the car, and forgot to call inside so she could have the neighbor put the dogs away; when I realized it, the dog was standing right beside the car door. By the time I realized the dog was there, it was trying to attack my leg. I actually had to almost hit the dog with the door to keep it from riping my leg and the rest of me as well. As soon as I got back in the car, I dialed 9-1-1 and they came. But by the time the police got there, she (the neighbor) had taken the dogs, and left with them in her car. This is truly sickening, and I feel that that particular breed needs to die off, and never be bred again.

05-28-2008, 11:37 AM	#69
Lou Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: A little town south of Chicago Posts: 4,525	Candy, I own a gun and the law wants to take it away from me. Everyone knows how dangerous a gun is and they should all be destroyed. Yes? No, it isn't the gun it is the gun owner that is the danger. That is why guns should be registered and buyers need to have their backgrounds checked. Same thing with pit bulls. They need to be registered and, yes, muzzled in public. Anyone that isn't fit to own one should be denied ownership. And no, I don't think that "labs" need to be treated in the same way. Go back and look at my post with the link to the stats. Pit Bulls have the most bites and kills of ALL breeds. Doesn't that tell you something? No one on this thread made up the figures. If dog fighting weren't so popular then maybe this would all be a moot point but until society figures out a way of making all humans perfect I guess we will have to deal with each problem as it comes along. I'm sorry you are upset about the posts suggesting these dogs be put down and I don't want to see all pit bulls killed. But ANY dog that attacks anyone or anything without good cause needs to be eliminated for the safety of others. __________________ http://www.its-a-yorkie-thing.com Gracie Skeeter Adie Tyler

05-28-2008, 01:14 PM	#73
Lou Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: A little town south of Chicago Posts: 4,525	I think we are closer than you think in our thoughts. I don't think Pit bulls should be eliminated. I think bad owners should be. The only thing I think we disagree on is putting the dog down. As far as that matter goes my thoughts are not just on pit bulls. ANY dog that attacks is more likely to attack a second time and I'm not willing to risk that. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point. The reason I brought up dog fighting is because I think that is where pit bulls get the worst part of their reputations. Other breeds don't come to mind when one hears about a dog fighting ring being busted. By the way, can those dogs be trained to NOT attack other dogs even by the best of handlers? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ I really don't know the answer to that question. I hope I haven't offended you, I'm really not trying to do that. There are many many of us on this board and we have strong feelings and defend our beloved pets with a vengeance. I understand your feelings and hope that other owners are as protective and careful as you seem to be. One of these days we will have to discuss our feelings about kill or no kill shelters. </IMG> __________________ http://www.its-a-yorkie-thing.com Gracie Skeeter Adie Tyler

05-27-2008, 06:49 PM	#61
Candy317 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 77	Hello I'm new. I'll post my intro later. But I have to comment on this issue first. I would expect it from non-dog lovers, but hearing it from dog lovers? I'm applaud I adore and admire the yorkie breed although I don't own one, but as well I adore and admire the american pit bull terrier breed, although I don't own one. I will defend a yorkie if its being bashed on a pit bull forum if they're saying things like all yorkies should be put down, because they're all bad with kids, are ankle biters, snappy, and yappy. You can't go and say these people are wrong for saying these things, when you say all pit bulls are killing machines. But you sure can INFORM them that not in all cases its true. If this is the mentality you have then......lets abort all black babies since african-americans make up for the highest rate of crimes. Lets say that those police officers were fair and just for shooting, Sean Bell 50 TIMES, because he was black, and as we all know like pit bulls, ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS. Lets kill all the homosexuals, because they have the highest rate of HIV/AIDS. Lets be like the Nazis and put all pit bulls in gas chambers, just because they were born a certain breed...like they did with the Jews. Unless you think these are valid points, then why would you say 'lets kill all pit bulls, they are all to blame'.....its the SAME MENTALITY. This is the reason why I won't become a humane law enforcer and help animals. Because I don't want to pry a best friend out of a 5 year old boy. I don't want to destory the only friend a elderly woman has in her life. I don't want to put down a three month old puppy, just starting life, becuse it ws born a hated breed. I don't want to put down a beloved hyperactive 2 year old pit bull. I don't want to put down a 12 year old gray muzzle pit bull, who did nothing wrong, but be born a pit bull. Lets stop all dog hate. If this the case, because they're pit bulls and they kill something, lets put down pomeranians as well. A POMERANIAN killed a 6 month old baby not to long ago. But of course this isn't as nearly important as when a pit bull does it. Pit bull stories sell. So the media reports them. But ask any vet which family dog breed they put down the most...most the time it ISN'T a pit bull. But these cases, don't go to the public. So it goes unheard of to us. Just recently on another dog forum, someone posted on how a family pet, GOLDEN RETRIEVER snapped on his owner. He has some serious bite wounds, and he was going for the owners throat. Let it been one of his daugthers, it would of been a fatality. But this owner DID NOT LEAVE HIS CHILDREN UNDERSUPERVISE WITH THE FAMILY DOG. No not the family PIT BULL, the family dog. As for why the dog snapped? It would of been a brain tumor, could of been rabies, who knows.......but its not because 'his brain swelled, because it has a small head'. Same dog forum, different dog. A lab goes after a woman, her baby, and her pit bull who was leashed. The owner of the LOOSE AGGRESSIVE lab shots the pit bull, who was only protecting his family after the two dogs go at it. The pit bull did nothing, but protect his family. If the lab would of died...oh well, you shouldn't of had your lab loose and better the lab get killed for trying to attack than the baby get killed from the aggressive lab attacking it. My dog gets hit by a SUV. You don't see me banning all SUVs for doing so. I will not own one, because of the impct it did to my dog. But it wasn't the SUVs fault it was the DRIVERS fault, and MY fault for having my dog offleash. Just switch suv to pit bull and driver to owner, same concept. Its sad that once a dog grows in popularity it becomes 'america's new trget'. Some time ago PIT BULLS, yes pit bulls were america's family dog. They were referred as ''nanny dogs'', because they were so good with kids. But the downfall to this populraity is that they fall in the wrong hands like drug delers and dog fighters. Oh by the way, Micheal Vick's fighting pit bulls? Most of them were adopted out and are in loving homes. Hellen Keller? Had a pit bull. Lil'Rascal's dog Petey? Pit Bull. Of course no one wants to her the positive, just negative. Who cares that a pit bull got certified as a therapy dog, lets put him down and not let him help someone who can't help themselves. Dobermans were america's target dog. They became widely use as guard dogs. Since Billy hit the ball over his neighbor's fence, and Billy's mom wasn't supervising him, he goes over and gets attack by this dog and the doberman gets a bad rep. Now I hear more and more Lab bites happening, why, because dumbwit owners don't socialize their dog or don't supervise them. To add to the problem people are not watching their kids/other dogs with other dogs. If it has teeth it can bite, it can kill. I don't trust my dogs with other dogs, no matter wht size. In dog parks, if I see an aggressive toy breed, even if its 3lbs bigger thn my dogs, I'll leave. I'm not going to wait to find out if that this toy dog has the ability to kill my dogs. Then the owner comes to me with BS that, their dog never did anything like this before and gasp the world is shock that a toy breed could kill nother dog. For instance, my sister's unaltered shih tzu went at it with my altered bichon over some food. If this happened while they were unsupervised, I would of came home to a dead dog. I think, even though my bichon if bigger than the shih tzu, my dog would of been the one dead. Fixed dogs are least likely to bite than unaltered dogs. Fixing dogs and supervision, I cn't stress this enough. Could save lives here people. No I would never punish a dog for biting/ttcking. Most the time it happens when dogs are unsupervised. I think there should be a law that bans STUPID OWNERS from owning dogs so these things don't happen. My neighbor's doxie has been a terrorizing passerbys for who knows how long. Do I think this dog should be pts? NO. But this dog definitely needs some socialization and some new owners. Same thing if it hppened to be a pit bull running amok in the streets. For the person who lost your yorkie while it was on a leash, my sympathy goes out to you...I hope you got justice. But blaming all pit bulls for it, won't stop it from happening again. So we kill all pit bulls...then you know wht hppens? John Smith from down the street owns an aggressive dog down the street and it kills another dog for beinging loose. Destorying breeds won't solve the tragic killings of dogs/people. People should start socializing their dogs and keep the dangerous ones out from the public. People should also always supervise THEIR pets/kids so these sort of things don't happen. Let me use personal exmples. I had a rat terrier who was dog aggressive, breed NOT known for dog aggression. I also had an akita mix who was dog aggressive, known for dog aggression. I wouldn't trust neither of these dogs with a strange dog coming to greet them. Now my bichon is dog friendly, so is my pit bull mix I had as a child, I would trust them with a strange dog, but of course SUPERVISED. My pit bull mix dog, could of even been pure for all I know, was great with kids. She let my 3yr. old brother at the time pull her tail, ride on her back, pull on her ears. Terrible dog manners, but who would of known a pit bull did not bite back? My 6lbs rt terrier? If that was done to her, my brother would be in the hospital with some severe dog bites. What will it take for this breedism to stop? Its never the dogs fault. Its the owners. Any dog has the ability to bite and kill. I do think a dog a bit bigger than a yorkie let it be a lab, pit bull, cocker spaniel has the ability to KILL a yorkie if THAT DOG, not BREED is dog aggressive. I think we can all agree, not all yorkies are ill-mnner dogs. So not all pit bulls are killing mchines. Please don't judge on a dog's breed, but on the individual dog itself. Every dog is different. We also can agree with its OWNERS who make dogs this way 'yappy, snappy',ect', for not socializing or training them. Why can't the same be apply to pit bull owners? People are damaging breeds, not the breeds themselves. I protect my small dogs from all elements, NOT JUST PIT BULLS. Toy dogs, small dogs, medium dogs, large dogs. Oh for the christians who are saying these comments, who are we to play God? Maybe God has a reason for why these dogs are on this planet. THIS SENSELESS KILLINGS HaS TO STOP. BSL might not be affecting you, but its affecting many innocent dogs and is hurting many dog owners nationwide. They start with pit bulls, but they keep on adding breeds..........WHEN WILL YOUR BREED BE NEXT? Oh and muzzles? Makes the problem worst. They feel more threaten and most muzzles won't be strong enough if they feel the right to fight. Oh and if a loose dog approaches my dog who has a muzzle on and can't fight back from being attack, then what? It wasn't MY dog who started the fight, but my dog had to pay for it. I NEVER will go to a groomers who uses a muzzle to restrain a dog from biting. My dog was terrible getting her nails done. Took her to a groomer, groomer puts on a muzzle, my dog got more stressed out then she already was, had a seizure on the table. Went to another groomer who didn't use muzzle, she did fine, freaked out a bit, but with patience, she wasn't so stressed out and had no seizures. Muzzles are a bandage on a boo boo, but won't make the boo boo go away. Socailization and training makes the problem go away. Not IGNORING the problem by just putting a muzzle on a dog. ...more...

05-27-2008, 06:50 PM	#62
Candy317 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 77	Sorry for my long vent, but I almost nearly cried hearing some of the responses. Should I go back in time and kill my pit bull mix dog, who never did anything wrong, just because she was a killing machine 'breed' and one day was going to snap on me or kill someone's pet or child? Which NEVER happened, by the way. Shocking isn't it? Oh by the way....Do you really know what a pit bull is? Find out if you really do. Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull This is a problem with banning a breed, most the time the dog is misidentified., just because it 'looks' like one.

05-27-2008, 08:03 PM	#63
Candy317 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 77	Beagle attacks girl Quote from victims mother: "You always think it's a Pitbull or Rottweiler. It doesn't matter what kind of dog it is, you never know when this will happen to your kid," Irene said. Weiner dog (assume Dachshund) - John Baca Park, injury.A 2-year-old was bit in the face by a "small wiener dog" that was off its leash. The child was taken to a hospital to be examined and it was determined the child would need plastic surgery, 7:35 p.m. Lab Mix - In the article the breed isn't mentioned, but in the video report Lab mix was stated. That would NEVER happen if it were a pit bull type or Rottie type incident. Miniature Pincher: A resident of the 100 block of E. Willow Road was issued a municipal citation of $103.50 for having a dog at large Nov. 3 after a miniature Doberman pinscher escaped from a fenced back yard. An officer who tried to grab the dog's collar was bitten. MORE OTHER NON-PIT BULLS... Punish the Deed, not the Breed! PREVENT STORIES LIKE THESE Punish the Deed, not the Breed! STORIES WE DON'T HEAR Punish the Deed, not the Breed! Oh yes lets put them to sleep for helping save lives too

05-28-2008, 10:41 AM	#68
Candy317 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 77	For the pit bulls in the article...should they be pts? Depends...if the owners KNEW their dog was aggressive, then yes. They should always have those dogs restrined. If this isn't the first time its happened.......then yes, they knew what they re capble of. But sometimes owners don't and accidents hppen. We as humans aren't perfect and sometimes are dogs get loose. These two dogs could become aggressive since they're in a pack. Would of the owners of known that? No obviously since they've never witness this behavior since the two dogs seem to get along. Dogs in packs/groups gang up.........EVEN YORKIES......its the wolves in them to do so, thats what they do. Dog owners should be aware of this when the purchase a dog, even small breed owners. I've heard of a group of rat terriers [6-8lbs dogs] gang up on a chihuahua. It can happen with an breed. Especially TERRIERS, thats what the were BRED for, american pit bull TERRIERS and yorkshire TERRIERS alike. Prey drive has lot to do with it. Dogs have this thing in their head, if it runs, we chase, we kill. Even YORKIES. How many of your TERRIERS go after cats, squirrels, anything smaller than them? Want to know why? The WOLF in them. So who are we to blme that these pit bulls saw something smaller than them running and had the PREY DRIVE to kill it? If a squirrel happens to be in my backyrd and my dog kills it, my dog isn't a monster. But to these dogs OUR small sized dogs are SQURRIELS to them, but then we label them monsters when the do the same? This is why most dog parks have a small dog area and a big dog area to prevent this. Most people believe that pit bulls and GREYHOUNDS shouldn't be allowed in dog parks, because of their HIGH PREY DRIVE. Though I've seem some well adjusted NO PREY DRIVE pits and greyhounds at dog parks. It depends again ON THE DOG, not BREED. Though this could be explained as to why it happened, its sad that it happened and my sympathies go out to the yorkie's owners. I hope this doesn't occur again with these two dogs, now that the owner knows what they're capble of doing. But please know this could of happened with any BREED. Most of my friends haven't been bit by large breed dogs, mostly chihuahuas, yorkies, poms, malteses, poodles, shih tzus,,,,,but they don't hold a grudge on them. Well most don't, to some they're all ankle-biters. But once the meet my dogs, the change their mind, but still won't own one.

05-28-2008, 12:50 PM	#71
Candy317 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 77	See also the number of terriers? Why? PREY DRIVE. In Dade there's more poverty, drug dealers, things of that sort. In Broward there's a bunch of wannabes, but the social class is a bit higher in more places than Dade has. Dade has its higher social class, but more lower social class. Since we in Broward are allowed to own pits, there's lots of bybs. Thus more irresponsible owners, who have no business in owning the breed that a responsible breeder wouldn't sell one too.

05-28-2008, 01:04 PM	#72
Candy317 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 77	I wonder how those numbers stack up to the actual numbers of each... if there are 40,000 pitbulls in Broward County but only 2,000 Labs - then yeah, statistically, you'd be more likely to get bit by a Lab...it depends on the popularity of the dog in the are, not the breed. In my city anywho you see more pits than labs, yet labs bite more? Shows how much the breed's popularity has to do with it, not the breed.

05-28-2008, 04:03 PM	#75
Amstaffer YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2	I just saw this thread and had to respond.... I would like to first say that this was a true tragedy and as someone who loves my dogs very deeply my heart goes out to the owner. With that said stereotypes of any kind are either bold face lies or just born out of ignorance. Pit Bulls (most likely you mean American Pit Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers) are not born killers of other dogs or humans. Any dog that becomes a killer of anything is the result of human encouragement, neglect or abuse. I am sure some of you are just going to write me off as crazy pit bull lover but before you do....answer this simple question Why can you go to any dog show UKC or AKC and see many intact male Pit Bulls walking around kids, other dogs and strangers who poke and prod them (Judges) and no one EVER gets bit or attacked? or try answering this question... Why when given temperament test at shelters to judge stability and human aggression why does the Pit Bull consistently out score most other breeds? ATTS - American Temperament Test Society, Inc. - ATTS Breed Statistics - page 1 http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pit-bul...ggression.html The average score for all breeds is roughly 77% rate of passing (safe) The average score for the American Pit Bull terrier (Pit Bulls official name) is 84% Don't take the emotional and intellectual short cut of stereotypes they are lies and often hurt innocent people (or dogs) We should all be working for stricter laws against abuse and neglect of dogs and laws against dangerous dogs not dog breeds!