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Old 05-15-2008, 12:36 PM   #46
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this is such a tragedy, i can't even think of what i would do if i saw two pit bulls attacking my yorkie! Poor baby! i wish that family luck in getting over the death of their beloved pup
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My very beloved Yorkie Dior was attacked and Killed by a Pit Bull in the middle of a very busy street in NYC. So that tells you that the breed doesn't stop at anything! I am extremely angry that the people who walk these dogs are walking them without a muzzle... this should be the law! I don't even think people should be even allow to have pit bull as a pet because they KILL!

I found this website and read thru the horrific stories and I can't even believe I became one of the story! I am so terrified that this will happen over and over again..... how many babies, adults, and dogs need to die before the law take this matter serious!

This all could of been avoided if these killer dogs aren't around... I was robbed of my precious love and have to endure to live without my Dior. The worst part is having to see the horrific death.... is more than anyone should bear!

Does anyone know how I can push for the muzzle law? I really want to do something for Dior so he doesn't just die for nothing... if this can avoid one death....it would make it worthwhile.

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My cocker spaniel will bite someone if they come into my house. He doens't like othe dogs except for Fritzel. He bit me once trying to bite one of my other dogs. I would not even consider putting hm down. I put him in his crate when someone comes over and keep him separate from my other dogs. You can live with an aggressive dog. You just have to know how to deal with their issues and be willing to do it.
I completly agree! My mom is going though a similar experience with her boxer, but he's great with other dogs and animals, but when he's around strange people he might act fine, then all of a sudden he'll try to snap. It tears my mom apart, she's wanted to put him to sleep, but my dad won't let her (I stand behind my dad on this too) because he is still a happy, healthy dog, he just has like episodes I guess. If you guys saw him playing with Rocky or with our family, you wouldn't think anything is wrong with him. It's not easy at all to live with a dog like this though, but like you said, you have to be willing to do so, and definitly extra precautions to prevent any attacks.
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I cant imagine what the family went through watching that! just horrible! i would have shot those pits-no question. I just cant believe they were released back to the owner, and they will probably kill again. I just hope it isnt a small child next time. Dont get me wrong, i love dogs, i know there are good pits out there but when is this going to stop? when will ppl realize that the pitbull breed is unpredictable and shouldnt be bred anymore? there are hundreds of breeds of dogs, and a few look like pits too but dont have that bad behavior-i say stop breeding pits altogether and let the breed die out.

ah its just my 2 cents-i know everyone doesnt see it my way, and dont expect everyone too.. i just hate hearing stories like this..
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I cant imagine what the family went through watching that! just horrible! i would have shot those pits-no question. I just cant believe they were released back to the owner, and they will probably kill again. I just hope it isnt a small child next time. Dont get me wrong, i love dogs, i know there are good pits out there but when is this going to stop? when will ppl realize that the pitbull breed is unpredictable and shouldnt be bred anymore? there are hundreds of breeds of dogs, and a few look like pits too but dont have that bad behavior-i say stop breeding pits altogether and let the breed die out.

ah its just my 2 cents-i know everyone doesnt see it my way, and dont expect everyone too.. i just hate hearing stories like this..
i agree with you one hundred percent
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The dogs should never have been returned. I do not understand why the
owners of these dogs were not fined. If these dogs are aggressive once
I am sure it will happen again.
I am new to the Yorkie Club. I have a 8 lb. Yorkie and a 70 lb. American
PitBull Terrier who is my service dog. The Yorkie is the boss as she is the female. Any large animal can be vicious,German Shepards,Rotties ect.
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I just had to put in my 2 cents, as well. I have known several Pitbulls in my life, and have rescued and rehomed a few. The breed was originally bred to be nothing but a fighter. So, it is instinct for them to kill another animal. They were bred for this and to be non-aggressive to people, because if they were people aggressive no one could break up the fights. But, of course, this is not the case any longer. Many are aggressive to everything and anybody. Many are not. They have been overbred and poorly bred. There are way too many of them and they are way to inexpensive. Any idiot with a hundred bucks can get one, so no wonder they are so bad most of the time. One Pit I rescued was used to fight and she was no good, so they didn't want her anymore. Poor thing, after having her throat ripped nearly to the point of death, she was brought into my home and was not very aggressive to begin with towards other dogs. never towards cats or people. My son used to sleep with this dog. She only took about a week to get acclimated to the other females around her, and once she realized they weren't going to kill her, she was fine. Went to a loving family home and was a wonderful dog for the rest of her life.

On the other side of this, I have an aggressive Pit in my neighborhood right now. This dog is allowed to run loose(well, I should say was allowed-since now it isn't loose whenever I have seen it. As they have been warned-and not very nicely either. I don't play when it comes to my kids or furbabies). I have experience with large breeds, so I pretty much know how to handle this dog. It tried to run up on me one day, needless to say, it went home with it's tail between it's legs. But, that is the point. Not everyone knows how to defend against this type of thing. Children and small animals especially are at risk.

I agree with special permits, the muzzle law someone mentioned, S/N law for them, regulation and inspection, but I do NOT agree with banning completely. Because, simple fact, Pits are not the only breed that people want to ban. Where would it end??? Someone mentioned German Shepherd Dogs...There is something in their brains that is not wired right(not all of them), do we ban them, too? Rotties are one that lots of people want to ban. I just had my precious girl PTS last week. She has lived all of her life with tiny little dogs and never harmed any of them-heck they used to sleep on her back. Another point of fact, there are several breeds that resemble the APBT, how to tell the difference??? Staffordshire Terrier being an example. These dogs are shown in the AKC breed ring and there is very little real difference in them, as far as looks, but the personalities are way different. What happens to those people that own this breed and cannot prove their dog is no Pit, if they are banned?

I can see both sides of this, and do not think these particular dogs should have been returned to an irresponsible owner that could not even keep them contained. The nastiest dog I ever met was a Cocker. I rescued that one, and she was horrid. She would bite me on a daily basis, and not just little nips. She would go up one arm and down the other before you could get away from her. She could only ever be handled if you had a leash in your hand, then you had to actually put it on her to touch her at all. After months of trying, she had to be PTS. The phrase 'there are no bad dogs, just bad people' comes to mind. But, it is not entirely true. Some dogs have real issues. Pits are the one you see the most, because of their size, and their breed, they make the news a lot. We have a lot of countryside here, and wild dogs do a lot of attacking. None of them Pits. I don't care if it weighs 10 lbs or 100 lbs., a vicious dog is a vicious dog. Little dogs kill people, too. Just ask the people whose baby was killed a while back. I believe it was a JRT.

Sorry, so long, I just have real feelings on this issue and hate the word 'BANNING'. If they really start getting into this, no one is safe.
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"more elusive than aggressive." ?! So murdering an innocent being doesn't count as aggressive?! Oh this is just infuriating. I'm sure nothing will be done about it either. I hate how people get away with this... owning 2 pit bulls and letting them roam free throughout the neighborhood. Disgusting.
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The dogs should never have been returned. I do not understand why the
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I just had to put in my 2 cents, as well. I have known several Pitbulls in my life, and have rescued and rehomed a few. The breed was originally bred to be nothing but a fighter. So, it is instinct for them to kill another animal. They were bred for this and to be non-aggressive to people, because if they were people aggressive no one could break up the fights. But, of course, this is not the case any longer. Many are aggressive to everything and anybody. Many are not. They have been overbred and poorly bred. There are way too many of them and they are way to inexpensive. Any idiot with a hundred bucks can get one, so no wonder they are so bad most of the time. One Pit I rescued was used to fight and she was no good, so they didn't want her anymore. Poor thing, after having her throat ripped nearly to the point of death, she was brought into my home and was not very aggressive to begin with towards other dogs. never towards cats or people. My son used to sleep with this dog. She only took about a week to get acclimated to the other females around her, and once she realized they weren't going to kill her, she was fine. Went to a loving family home and was a wonderful dog for the rest of her life.

On the other side of this, I have an aggressive Pit in my neighborhood right now. This dog is allowed to run loose(well, I should say was allowed-since now it isn't loose whenever I have seen it. As they have been warned-and not very nicely either. I don't play when it comes to my kids or furbabies). I have experience with large breeds, so I pretty much know how to handle this dog. It tried to run up on me one day, needless to say, it went home with it's tail between it's legs. But, that is the point. Not everyone knows how to defend against this type of thing. Children and small animals especially are at risk.

I agree with special permits, the muzzle law someone mentioned, S/N law for them, regulation and inspection, but I do NOT agree with banning completely. Because, simple fact, Pits are not the only breed that people want to ban. Where would it end??? Someone mentioned German Shepherd Dogs...There is something in their brains that is not wired right(not all of them), do we ban them, too? Rotties are one that lots of people want to ban. I just had my precious girl PTS last week. She has lived all of her life with tiny little dogs and never harmed any of them-heck they used to sleep on her back. Another point of fact, there are several breeds that resemble the APBT, how to tell the difference??? Staffordshire Terrier being an example. These dogs are shown in the AKC breed ring and there is very little real difference in them, as far as looks, but the personalities are way different. What happens to those people that own this breed and cannot prove their dog is no Pit, if they are banned?

I can see both sides of this, and do not think these particular dogs should have been returned to an irresponsible owner that could not even keep them contained. The nastiest dog I ever met was a Cocker. I rescued that one, and she was horrid. She would bite me on a daily basis, and not just little nips. She would go up one arm and down the other before you could get away from her. She could only ever be handled if you had a leash in your hand, then you had to actually put it on her to touch her at all. After months of trying, she had to be PTS. The phrase 'there are no bad dogs, just bad people' comes to mind. But, it is not entirely true. Some dogs have real issues. Pits are the one you see the most, because of their size, and their breed, they make the news a lot. We have a lot of countryside here, and wild dogs do a lot of attacking. None of them Pits. I don't care if it weighs 10 lbs or 100 lbs., a vicious dog is a vicious dog. Little dogs kill people, too. Just ask the people whose baby was killed a while back. I believe it was a JRT.

Sorry, so long, I just have real feelings on this issue and hate the word 'BANNING'. If they really start getting into this, no one is safe.

I love what you have to say on this topic. Ivan, our gsd is a great dog. He was raised by our shih tzu and adores the little ones, but there are certain times that he will act totally out of character. No one can come into our back yard or house if we don't say it is OK and he has never been out of the yard or the house without a leash so I don't know how he would act if he was loose and don't want to find out. I also don't know if he is bluffing and again don't plan on finding out. To us he is a big old dufus and as gentle as a 125 lb dog can be but who knows? If he were to get loose and hurt another living soul all of our friends would say they couldn't believe it because he is such a sweet dog. Anyway....I wouldn't have a problem with our village enacting a law requiring gsd's to wear muzzles and be on leashes in public. I would understand and comply. Why not make these owners register their pit bulls and require muzzles?
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I love what you have to say on this topic. Ivan, our gsd is a great dog. He was raised by our shih tzu and adores the little ones, but there are certain times that he will act totally out of character. No one can come into our back yard or house if we don't say it is OK and he has never been out of the yard or the house without a leash so I don't know how he would act if he was loose and don't want to find out. I also don't know if he is bluffing and again don't plan on finding out. To us he is a big old dufus and as gentle as a 125 lb dog can be but who knows? If he were to get loose and hurt another living soul all of our friends would say they couldn't believe it because he is such a sweet dog. Anyway....I wouldn't have a problem with our village enacting a law requiring gsd's to wear muzzles and be on leashes in public. I would understand and comply. Why not make these owners register their pit bulls and require muzzles?
I agree Lou, that is such a little thing to ask but they won't do it.
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I just had to put in my 2 cents, as well. I have known several Pitbulls in my life, and have rescued and rehomed a few. The breed was originally bred to be nothing but a fighter. So, it is instinct for them to kill another animal. They were bred for this and to be non-aggressive to people, because if they were people aggressive no one could break up the fights. But, of course, this is not the case any longer. Many are aggressive to everything and anybody. Many are not. They have been overbred and poorly bred. There are way too many of them and they are way to inexpensive. Any idiot with a hundred bucks can get one, so no wonder they are so bad most of the time. One Pit I rescued was used to fight and she was no good, so they didn't want her anymore. Poor thing, after having her throat ripped nearly to the point of death, she was brought into my home and was not very aggressive to begin with towards other dogs. never towards cats or people. My son used to sleep with this dog. She only took about a week to get acclimated to the other females around her, and once she realized they weren't going to kill her, she was fine. Went to a loving family home and was a wonderful dog for the rest of her life.

On the other side of this, I have an aggressive Pit in my neighborhood right now. This dog is allowed to run loose(well, I should say was allowed-since now it isn't loose whenever I have seen it. As they have been warned-and not very nicely either. I don't play when it comes to my kids or furbabies). I have experience with large breeds, so I pretty much know how to handle this dog. It tried to run up on me one day, needless to say, it went home with it's tail between it's legs. But, that is the point. Not everyone knows how to defend against this type of thing. Children and small animals especially are at risk.

I agree with special permits, the muzzle law someone mentioned, S/N law for them, regulation and inspection, but I do NOT agree with banning completely. Because, simple fact, Pits are not the only breed that people want to ban. Where would it end??? Someone mentioned German Shepherd Dogs...There is something in their brains that is not wired right(not all of them), do we ban them, too? Rotties are one that lots of people want to ban. I just had my precious girl PTS last week. She has lived all of her life with tiny little dogs and never harmed any of them-heck they used to sleep on her back. Another point of fact, there are several breeds that resemble the APBT, how to tell the difference??? Staffordshire Terrier being an example. These dogs are shown in the AKC breed ring and there is very little real difference in them, as far as looks, but the personalities are way different. What happens to those people that own this breed and cannot prove their dog is no Pit, if they are banned?

I can see both sides of this, and do not think these particular dogs should have been returned to an irresponsible owner that could not even keep them contained. The nastiest dog I ever met was a Cocker. I rescued that one, and she was horrid. She would bite me on a daily basis, and not just little nips. She would go up one arm and down the other before you could get away from her. She could only ever be handled if you had a leash in your hand, then you had to actually put it on her to touch her at all. After months of trying, she had to be PTS. The phrase 'there are no bad dogs, just bad people' comes to mind. But, it is not entirely true. Some dogs have real issues. Pits are the one you see the most, because of their size, and their breed, they make the news a lot. We have a lot of countryside here, and wild dogs do a lot of attacking. None of them Pits. I don't care if it weighs 10 lbs or 100 lbs., a vicious dog is a vicious dog. Little dogs kill people, too. Just ask the people whose baby was killed a while back. I believe it was a JRT.

Sorry, so long, I just have real feelings on this issue and hate the word 'BANNING'. If they really start getting into this, no one is safe.
This question has so many opinions and we are all free to offer what we feel in our hearts like you have. I just have question with the first paragraph. You feel that they were bred to fight and explain how that can kill and that can happen at any time to dogs and sometimes humans and yet you let this dog sleep with your son and let it go to another family. I am not quite understanding? The Pit Bull that killed a 12 yr. old little girl here in Akron a couple yrs. ago was a sweet family member for 5 yrs and they had it since a puppy. Please don't get upset with this question, i just wondered why?
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Nasty breed

Not all pitbulls are like this. yes most of the time when you hear of an attack it's them. and i'm not saying it's good. but alot of people i know have pit bulls that wouldn't hurt a thing and actually have smaller dogs with them. i hope i don't get attacked for defending them, but the whole breed isn't nasty. yes they have a huge, bad reputation i know. but the whole breed isn't nasty. There are some who are really sweet, and you don't have to believe me but they are. maybe most of them arn't. i don't know. but i know the whole breed isn't since i know some who arn't nasty. again i hope i don't get attacked and people get upset but i just wanted to say that. i have yorkies, so i'm not saying it's ok for any dog to attack another especially when they get away with it and nothing happens but i just wanted to say that.
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I thought I read somewhere that german shepherds were the most common biters so I went online and found the following:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf

Not only was I wrong I was stunned at how many attacks the pit bulls have compared to other breeds! And this is attacks on humans! I would hate to see the number of attacks on other dogs!
Wow! I just read that link. It is very telling. They have deaths caused by different breeds. Pits by far outnumber the rest. I am scared of them. Always have been always will be.

This is an excerpt from the link provided and I am in agreement:

Temperament is not the issue, nor is it even relevant. What is

relevant is actuarial risk. If almost any other dog has a bad moment,

someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the

actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a

Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that

has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as

their victims are paying the price.

Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be

handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special

requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other

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That's a good quote sammiz I have known many sweet and gentle "bully breeds" in my life time and I've seen dogs that represent the other dangerous extreme as well. I have to agree that is has nothing to do with temperament. The sweetest dog in the world could become a killer in the blink of an eye, just because their strong bodies and jaws have that capability.

Personally I feel bad for these misunderstood dogs and blame the owners for negligence & not being responsible enough to own certain breeds.
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