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08-01-2007, 12:42 PM | #1 |
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| The DEFINITIVE thread for high protein diets for Yorkies (INNOVA EVO) I've browsed the forums for quite some time now, and I am a little miffed at what appears to be a lot of old wives tales, and very little backed research. So I would like to start a thread here to reason out and sort through the half truths and give some backed research into the question... IS TOO MUCH PROTEIN BAD FOR YORKIES??? I did a quick google search and I came up with a few links. Here's a good one.. http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/protein.html I will consider this opening salvo. For the 3000 or so posters who wrote with definitive opinions that high protein diet is bad for healthy yorkies, please post your thoughts and then post a LINK supporting your comments. This should weed out the hearsay and old wives tales that appears to have dominated any kind of reasonable discussion in the matter. |
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08-01-2007, 07:15 PM | #2 |
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| Charlie is eating Orijen and Solid Gold wet food. This is a little guy who is 10 years old, and when he came to live with me in April, his coat was thin, itchy and his skin looked terrible. Thanks to a diagnosis of Thyroid deficiency, a little pill twice a day and quality food, he has the beginning of a beautiful coat, brighter eyes. My only downfall is that I feed him too much because Orijen is dense, he gained weight and I am cutting out a small amount of Orijen to lose a few pounds. What surprised me is that vets are not really savvy about pet food, and push that Science Diet as a cure all. Good post and I hope this acts as a guide to proper nutrition. PS When Charlie has been on Orijen for six months, I am changing over to Evo for the next six months.
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08-01-2007, 07:55 PM | #3 |
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| It's probably just a matter of choice Some people prefer to give their dogs food that is at least 40% protein. Others prefer to stick with 20%-25%. We, personally, prefer to cook for our dogs at home.
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08-01-2007, 08:08 PM | #4 |
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| I also think it has ALOT to do with the quality of protein...Many of the foods that are out there are not good quality and contain lots of by-products and such...If the protein that they are eating is not very digestible, then the liver and kidneys are going to work very hard which can cause problems for the dog...BUT if dogs are being fed high quality protein, then the liver and kidneys won't have to work as hard...Following is a link that explains all of this in depth. Another thing that this article mentions is the fact that dogs need more moisture in their diet;therefore, it is recommended that they are fed at least SOME wet food or homecooked meals. Here's the link: http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....e=protein_myth Also, I want to add that everyone has to make their own choices, and not all dogs are the same. Some dogs, like my yorkie, require low, non-animal protein as he does have liver problems... Just like people, different dogs need different things
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08-02-2007, 07:04 AM | #5 |
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| I agree I'm far from being an expert on food, but based on the amount of reading I have done, I agree that it is the quality of food that you feed your little one that matters most and whether it suits him/her. I have been feeding my little one Innova EVO for a while and he has less loose stools(sorry, sounds gross), we also give him some steamed sweet potato for extra fiber. It works fine for him, but I think all dogs are different. Stick with high quality foods and work from there. Our vet said that it takes a bit of trial and error with different foods. (FYI: We are still waiting to see in the long run(3 months) if this food improves his health.) Good luck- finding a good diet is a difficult task! P.s. Vets don't seem to know what brands are good here either. I find it strange as I'm a scientist and would be more careful myself.
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08-02-2007, 03:44 PM | #6 |
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08-03-2007, 07:21 AM | #7 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I might be in the minority - but I've often expressed my belief that the "stay away from high protein" mantra might not be as correct as some think. A dog in NATURE would consume a diet of almost 100% protein. RAW and BARF diets, which are usually considered optimal, are pretty much 100% protein. It is mostly understood that canines don't have a need for grains or veggies - even if some are consumed "accidentally" in nature. Their digestive systems are just not designed for optimal digestion of these nutrients. If kidneys are healthy, extra protein is just excreted or converted, just as in us humans. If kidneys are unhealthy, then extra consideration for amounts and types of proteins should be undertaken. Bottom line is: do your own research, don't assume your vet has much time to know anything about canine nutrition, find what works for your dog, be open to new ideas, and keep learning. And, most of all - DON'T JUDGE! I homecook and feed Orijen for grazing; I particularly like Orijen's White Paper on canine nutrition - very educational: http://www.championpetfoods.com/orij...hite_paper.pdf
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08-06-2007, 12:29 PM | #8 |
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| Nice idea to start this thread! Very informative link, also. I just purchased Innova puppy food today. Like I had said in the other forum, I had been using EVO. I will be feeding female, and the pups (in another week or so) the Innova. I am in the process of weaning the puppies early due to an inflamed milk sac on my female. Puppies are only nursing at night and morning.
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08-06-2007, 12:43 PM | #9 | |
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First Off I would like to start off by saying that I am not quite sure where EXACTLY you found someone saying that a high protein diet is bad for yorkies. I believe and take into consideration a lot of highly trusted and well tested opinions of people on this board. You are trying to compare apples to oranges in your statement. The internet is not always a reliable source. Secondly, the people on this board who do believe or have said at one point or another that a high proteing diet is bad for yorkies is more than likely talking from past experiences. Yes the internet has a vast search engine on this topic as well, however you need to keep in mind that this is a yorkie site, and most memebers of this site have had a lot more experience first hand dealing with these matters than the assumptions of those links you find. By saying the bolded statement above is just plain insulting. Last edited by cindy0721; 08-06-2007 at 12:46 PM. | |
08-06-2007, 05:28 PM | #10 |
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08-06-2007, 05:32 PM | #11 |
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| Good Point Diggy 4!! I'm workin on a way to clone Otis - I read how to do it on the internet. I'd take the advice and opinions of yorkie owners with years and years of experience (and I often do) over any article posted on the web. JMO.
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08-06-2007, 05:34 PM | #12 |
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| thank u couldnt have said it better myself! |
08-07-2007, 05:05 AM | #14 |
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| This is interesting. Just last week a lady told me her vet said not to keep yorkies(she has four) on puppy food over a year because it has too much protein in it. I was feeding Lola puppy food that had 28% but switched her to the adult version that has 24% just in case. She's 1 1/2.
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08-07-2007, 08:07 AM | #15 |
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| When we fed our dogs dog food....Miko was getting just under 18%, and Emma's food was between 18%-23%, and they did well on it. Each dog is different, and everyone knows their own dogs and what they can handle.
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