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02-28-2007, 07:08 AM | #1 |
I heart Hootie & Hobbs Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA
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| Important Info: K-9 Advantix I got this info from a labrador board that I chat on that is similar to YorkieTalk. Important Alert For Any Dog or CatOwner- Advantix,Advantage, Frontline,BioSpot...TOPICAL Flea products...PLEASE CROSSPOST!! CLICK ON THE LINKS ON THE BOTTOM. VERY SAD STORY BUT GOOD INFO I want to relay my personal experience with a topical flea product as well as share info that I discovered after researching this all. Hopefully my experience as well as the info below may prevent this tragedy from happening to you & your pets as well as anyone you know who has pets that you want to share this with. In early Oct after bathing all 3 of my dogs, I realized I only had 2 tubes of Advantage. It was late Saturday PM so I ran over to Petsmart's Banfield vet clinic, to get another tube. They said they no longer carried Advantage or Frontline, products that I've safelyused for years. They said they only sold a product called K-9 Advantix- said it was the same thing only better (has an ingredient in it to repel mosquitos). I didn't buy it at first, I raced home & searched the net, found that it is made by Bayer, who also makes Advantage so I went back & got it. They only had 1 tube left so they put it in a prescription bottle (without including the little info flyer). Later that evening I put this on my 11 yr old sheepdog mix & right away he started running around reaching at his rear & scratching like crazy. I'm thinking he must have had more fleas than I realized. I do not have a flea problem at my house, I treat my yard & have no carpet. I blow him dry & had only found a couple of fleas. Late on Saturday evening, he finally stopped scratching & going berserk & went to sleep - I thought he was just exhausted but the next morning I realized that he was almost comatose. I had to call his name loudly & he could just barely raised his head in response. I immediately put in a call to the vet & in the meantime scoured the web for a way to handle this. I was horrified when I found a public forum addressing this product (see link below). Instead of finding a remedy for side effects on the Bayer site it was on this forum that I found it. I even read (on this forum) that Bayer admitted to one petowner that they had not done extensive testing on this product as was done on other products. Later the vet called & said to get it off of him immediately. (scrub with Dawn dishwashing liquid & rinse, rinse, rinse). He was so lethargic he couldn't even stand up in the tub, I had to prop his head up to get this washed off of him. He was much better within just hours of getting it off but it still took 7+ days for him to get back to normal. About 4-5 days (still a bit unstable but much better) I took him for a walk. Well, he fell really hard coming up the concrete steps & then slid backwards down them. I got him to the vet to find there was an incredible amount of damage done to the cartilege in his throat & a hole the size of a nickel. They cleaned it really good but left the opening so it could drain. Of course it healed & closed within a day. After running to the vet daily for almost a week to have them drain the fluid she put in a drain tube. After a month, the vet finally said that had to come out. He is also on antibotics for well over a month. When it continued to worsen the vet ran some blood tests& told me they had found cancer cells (melanoma) in his throat & that it was spreading & there was nothing more they could do for him, to take him home & give him anything he wanted to make him happy & comfortable. She said she gave him maybe 3 weeks (12/18/06) . I am in shock! I immediately made an appointment for the next day, with a vet that specializes in canine cancer & disease. This vet looked at his wound & agreed with the diagnosis. She told me that she had also used this K-9 Advantix on her own dog who had a really bad reaction to it as well ( rolling her eyes she said... "but we still sell it") I asked her if she felt that this product could be responsible for this cancerous invasion or if maybe he just was predisposed genetically to have cancer or just what since he was otherwise healthy prior to my using K-9 Advantix?. She hestitated a minute & very carefully said "Well (a very long well), I can't say that the K-9 Advantix actually caused the cancer... and No, he was not just predisposed to have cancer... cancer cells just seem to come from nowhere when/where there is a weakened part of the body." The vet said that while he may not be in any pain right now (melanoma cancers aren't painful like bone or internal cancer) that since this was a rapid moving cancer it could spread to other parts of his body & at some point he could have lots of pain. She said that since the mass is in his throat that the day would probably come that he would not be able to swallow. The first thing I do every morning is offer him a little piece of cheese to make sure he can still swallow & am soooo relieved when he eats. She says that everything could change to bad as quickly as overnight. This cancer is growing massive on his throat (02/01/07) but he seems to not be in much distress - he sleeps a lot more but perks up fast if you ask him if he wants to go for a walk or ride. When I call his name, even if he is too tired to raise his head, he always wags that tail. Some days are good (Thank God for Rymadil)... & some days are not as good. I am dreading the day he takes a real turn for the worse & am just thankful that today he is seems to not be in pain. He wags his tail (along with his entire body) ever so humbly when I call his name & then stares directly into my heart & my soul when he looks at me - he knows that he is loved & he trust me with his entire being. I feel such guilt when I look back into those eyes, knowing what I've done to him by using this poison. I am happy and so grateful for the time that I will have left with him - just tormented knowing it will end very soon. He has been the best friend in the world. IMPORTANT INFO & ADVICE THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW........ . There are 2 main pesticides used in both Advantage & also K-9 Advantix. I did not research the one pesticide that is common in both since I have used Advantage for years with no problem. The other pesticide found in K-9 Advantix but not in Advantage is permethrin (the mosquito repellent - also used to kill termites). I am shocked at what I have found. Also searched for info on this product & it's relation/link to cancer. and found the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has classified permethrin as a suspected carcenogen.. . http://www.scorecar <http://www.scorecar/>d.org/health- effects/chemical s-2.tcl?short_ hazard_name= cancer&all_p= t9 (compliled of records and reports from the EPA) also listed here as a definite carcenogen (don't know which is more current) http://www.safe2use <http://www.safe2use/>.com/poisons- pesticides/ pesticides/ permethrin/ cox-report/ cox.htm Read the comments in this public forum re: K-9 Advantix - it's not just me with this problem... http://www.dogsonly <http://www.dogsonly/>.org/ click on message board on right side side then find the topic K-9 Avdantix. Most recent comments are at the end. Still another public forum that also warns about BIO SPOT ... http://www.elverson <http://www.elverson/> puzzle.com/ biospotlettersv1 3.html Read this article written by a Florida Veterinarian. . Topical Flea Control Products: What's the difference? http://floridapetpa <http://floridapetpa/> ges.com/articles /TopicalFleaCont rolProducts. html Even more Horrible facts....... . K-9 Advantix can be/ is toxic to dogs if it is applied where they could possibly lick it or if a puppy playmate were to get it in their mouths playing & wrestling around with a dog that has this on. Unlike Advantage that is applied between the shoulder blades, K-9 Advantix is to be applied in several spots down the dogs back. No adult dog topical flea products should ever be used on a toy or miniature breed - only applications for puppies should ever be used on these breeds - even if they are adult. The product, K-9 Advantix is highly toxic to cats, even if it is on your dog & the cat gets it on itself. I am amazed that this is the only topical flea application that Petsmart's Banfield clinic sells, knowing how many of their petowner clients have both dogs & cats. Petsmarts Banfield clinic never even me asked if I had cats - I have 6. I spoke to a mgr. at Petsmart who got the number for Banfield corporate office for me told me that Petsmart doesn't own Banfield. He rescues cats (has like 16 or so) & told me he wouldn't use Banfield for anything ever - what does that tell you?? What do you think he knows & we don't! The Vet told me that right now the best & safest topical flea application is Advantage - she even said that Frontline isn't working anymore. She told me there is a new product that will be introduced early 2007 but said she was going to keep a watchful eye on that product even before she would use it on her own dog. I think many vets won't speak against these products - don't know why! Guess they don't want to ruin their relationship with Bayer or maybe they are under some sort of contract. Please if you love your babies - please don't use K-9 Advantix on them!!!!!!! ! !! even if you are using it & it seems to be OK - they do not know enough about it & by Bayers own admission it was not thoroughly tested. I don't think anyone knows about the long term effects. Please please please Protect your babies & never use this poison on them! Pat in Atlanta |
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02-28-2007, 07:40 AM | #2 |
Gina, (Lexi's Mommy) Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: LONG ISLAND,NY
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| thank you for this.,, thats just great cause i used advantix for 2 years already on lexi... now what??? any suggestions on a good flea and tick preventer
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02-28-2007, 07:42 AM | #3 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | thanks for posting this i use it but im not going to anymore |
02-28-2007, 07:44 AM | #4 | |
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i was useing frontline for Years but it didnt work very well i dont know what to use now | |
02-28-2007, 07:46 AM | #5 |
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| Oh gosh! I used that for 6 months on Cali! Im glad I switched to Revolution!
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02-28-2007, 07:47 AM | #6 |
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| I have recently switched to Revolution as well. It's cheaper and apparently is not dangerous like the others. |
02-28-2007, 07:48 AM | #7 |
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| Use revolution its great and it has the heartworm in it. You save money over buying flea meds and a separate heartworm
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02-28-2007, 07:52 AM | #8 |
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| I use Frontline Plus (we have used this for years). I split an application between the two Yorkies. We have never had a flea on any of our dogs and fleas are usually a big problem in Florida. I wonder why the poster said Frontline was not working anymore?? I think I will keep using Frontline Plus -- I don't like the idea of chemicals on their little bodies but I dislike the idea of flea infestation and all the associated skin conditions and disease that can bring more.
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02-28-2007, 07:53 AM | #9 |
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| My vet said he would not recommen Revolution for dogs because it does nothing against intestinal worms. Do you still use another wormer?
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02-28-2007, 07:57 AM | #10 | |
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02-28-2007, 07:59 AM | #11 |
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| Revolution protects against roundworm and hookworm and mites. Does Frontline Plus protect against tapeworms?
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02-28-2007, 08:06 AM | #12 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | I use Revolution during the warm months. I never bought into the year round prevention in an area like Chicago as we have much more cold weatehr than warm and I do not want to but toxic chemicals on them for any longer than I need. Mine don't go outside generally from November to April. JMO
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02-28-2007, 08:13 AM | #13 |
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| Thank you for this thread. This will be our first spring/summer and was thinking about k-9 advantix............
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02-28-2007, 08:27 AM | #15 |
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| i only use it 3 or 4 months out of the year.. only late spring early summer months. so now im stumped as to what kind to get
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