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Old 06-25-2017, 04:49 PM   #1
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Does anyone here give there yorkie a BARF diet? (Bones And Raw Food) My son got a dog awhile ago and the breeder suggested to use raw, I guess the dogs parents were on it and siblings and they are all healthy into old age. Just wondering about a little dog. We lost our last Yorkie on June 15th and are not ready to get another one yet, but want to do some research for when we do
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There are lots of threads about it. I just took a vet assistant class and we learned there are several health risks with it and it's not favored by the vet community.
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I've been feeding raw for about 8 years and LOVE it! I've used Primal, Natures Variety, Stellas, Sojos etc...
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Does anyone here give there yorkie a BARF diet? (Bones And Raw Food) My son got a dog awhile ago and the breeder suggested to use raw, I guess the dogs parents were on it and siblings and they are all healthy into old age. Just wondering about a little dog. We lost our last Yorkie on June 15th and are not ready to get another one yet, but want to do some research for when we do
Before you make a decision about raw feeding, you should be sure to educate yourself about the good AND the bad. Here are a couple of links to articles about the "bad" from the skeptvet website:

Raw Diets for Pets | The SkeptVet

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/raw...make-you-barf/

The main concerns are (1) The possibility of contamination with harmful bacteria. This is a threat not only to the dog, but also to humans in the household who may be older or immune compromised. (2) You have to be sure that the diet is nutritionally balanced. This will require either working with a veterinary nutritionist, or buying a commercial source of raw food that has been supplemented with essential nutrients.
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Little bit has decided Sojos is for the birds (for now.) So we've moved to Primal again, and she loves that. Point is, lol, Ann was able to suggest things that worked and she IS eating better on this than ever before. She's picky and will always move foods around, and we've learned to roll with it. She'll always gravitate towards raw over kibble. I've also been making my homemade foods (bison with a carb, fruits, and veggies) with the wheatgerm mix and bone meal mixed in. I now always have some in the freezer.
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Considering what I have learned, Veterinarians are only required very few (under 20hours) of Nutrition related learning. All of which is sponsored by, you guessed it, the big Food suppliers like Purina and such. (I'm not a vet, but this is what I have read from a variety of reliable sources, such as Leerburg for one.)

We are welcoming a new pup into our home soon, who is already on a raw diet. So we may end up switching our Yorkie to raw and see how he likes it (he is currently eating Natural Balance - limited ingredient dog food). There are many benefits of Raw including but not limited to; Clears up allergies, Healthier digestive & Immune systems, Less poop to scoop, Smaller stools which are small and firm, They also biodegrade quickly and disappear in a few days, Mirrors what a dogs and cats would be getting in the wild, No preservatives, fillers, or chemicals, Healthier, fuller, softer, shinier coats, Less shedding, Naturally cleans teeth and eliminates bad breath, No more “wet dog odour”, Increased energy and improved mood, Decreased vet bills due to better health, Longer life for your pets.

You are supposed to introduce it very slowly though. Cut out last Kibble-Meal of the day, the day before you plan on starting raw. Then start with 1/4 feeding of the suggested raw amount they should be eating and work your way up to the full amount. 1/4, then 2/4, then 3/4 then full feeding.

The most important thing to consider in raw is feeding a Well Balanced diet Overtime. So each feeding does not have to be spot on to the exact requirements, but it should be balanced over time (daily? weekly?).
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Considering what I have learned, Veterinarians are only required very few (under 20hours) of Nutrition related learning. All of which is sponsored by, you guessed it, the big Food suppliers like Purina and such. (I'm not a vet, but this is what I have read from a variety of reliable sources, such as Leerburg for one.)

We are welcoming a new pup into our home soon, who is already on a raw diet. So we may end up switching our Yorkie to raw and see how he likes it (he is currently eating Natural Balance - limited ingredient dog food). There are many benefits of Raw including but not limited to; Clears up allergies, Healthier digestive & Immune systems, Less poop to scoop, Smaller stools which are small and firm, They also biodegrade quickly and disappear in a few days, Mirrors what a dogs and cats would be getting in the wild, No preservatives, fillers, or chemicals, Healthier, fuller, softer, shinier coats, Less shedding, Naturally cleans teeth and eliminates bad breath, No more “wet dog odour”, Increased energy and improved mood, Decreased vet bills due to better health, Longer life for your pets.

You are supposed to introduce it very slowly though. Cut out last Kibble-Meal of the day, the day before you plan on starting raw. Then start with 1/4 feeding of the suggested raw amount they should be eating and work your way up to the full amount. 1/4, then 2/4, then 3/4 then full feeding.

The most important thing to consider in raw is feeding a Well Balanced diet Overtime. So each feeding does not have to be spot on to the exact requirements, but it should be balanced over time (daily? weekly?).
The first paragraph about veterinary nutrition training is patently false, ESPECIALLY if you are talking about Board Certified Veterinary Nutritionists. It's been debunked elsewhere on Yorkietalk--I won't dignify it any further.

The second paragraph about benefits of raw diet has some truth in it. However, if you look at dogs "in the wild," they only live to be a few years old and live horrible lives. Dogs are not naturally a wild animal--they've lived domesticated for thousands of years. If they're not living in a household, they are being neglected.

The last two paragraphs are quite sensible. If you change a dog's diet, you want to do it gradually, and the balance of nutrition is done over time, as it is with humans. Best balanced on a daily basis, though, since some nutrients only last a day in the body.
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Considering what I have learned, Veterinarians are only required very few (under 20hours) of Nutrition related learning. All of which is sponsored by, you guessed it, the big Food suppliers like Purina and such. (I'm not a vet, but this is what I have read from a variety of reliable sources, such as Leerburg for one.)

We are welcoming a new pup into our home soon, who is already on a raw diet. So we may end up switching our Yorkie to raw and see how he likes it (he is currently eating Natural Balance - limited ingredient dog food). There are many benefits of Raw including but not limited to; Clears up allergies, Healthier digestive & Immune systems, Less poop to scoop, Smaller stools which are small and firm, They also biodegrade quickly and disappear in a few days, Mirrors what a dogs and cats would be getting in the wild, No preservatives, fillers, or chemicals, Healthier, fuller, softer, shinier coats, Less shedding, Naturally cleans teeth and eliminates bad breath, No more “wet dog odour”, Increased energy and improved mood, Decreased vet bills due to better health, Longer life for your pets.

You are supposed to introduce it very slowly though. Cut out last Kibble-Meal of the day, the day before you plan on starting raw. Then start with 1/4 feeding of the suggested raw amount they should be eating and work your way up to the full amount. 1/4, then 2/4, then 3/4 then full feeding.

The most important thing to consider in raw is feeding a Well Balanced diet Overtime. So each feeding does not have to be spot on to the exact requirements, but it should be balanced over time (daily? weekly?).
Your imfermation about vets is not true and it's not just about the dog eat it it's about all the possible things that can go wrong. Did you know therapy dogs can not be on a raw diet? The stuff you are say most has never been proven! Food allergies are rare so not sure how it clears up allergies. My yorkie has IBD which is caused by allergies gave her raw one time and she was vomiting and had massive diarrhea. Please becareful stating things as a fact that aren't. Maybe you need to google the ugly side of raw diets.
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To be clear, I never stated any Facts. It is my opinions based on what I have read, thus I said "considering what I've learned". I also said I am no vet or nutirionist. I'm saying what I know, and I'm also here to learn.

The biggest problem I've read about Raw is the possible bacteria, which if you freeze the meat for 3 days should not be a problem.

I did not know about the Therapy Dog thing. Can you tell me why that is exactly?

As far as how long they live, can a wild dog be compared to a domestic dog? Their living conditions are completely different. They don't get fed x amount x times a day like domestic dogs do?
^It's the same argument with people comparing high quality kibble vs low quality kibble. "My neighbours dog lived 17 years on Purina, so is a high end kibble really necessary?" -> Said someone I was talking to.

I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with Raw. That is also partially why I am on edge about switching my Yorkies food, regardless of what my other dogs may be eating.

Something I've noticed through different forums, is that large breed dog owners seem to be more pro-raw. I'm wondering if maybe smaller breeds don't take as well to it?

Again I'm not arguing, nor am I saying I am completely for or again a raw diet. I'm hear to share what I've learnt, and I am here to learn.
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To be clear, I never stated any Facts. It is my opinions based on what I have read, thus I said "considering what I've learned". I also said I am no vet or nutirionist. I'm saying what I know, and I'm also here to learn.

The biggest problem I've read about Raw is the possible bacteria, which if you freeze the meat for 3 days should not be a problem.

I did not know about the Therapy Dog thing. Can you tell me why that is exactly?

As far as how long they live, can a wild dog be compared to a domestic dog? Their living conditions are completely different. They don't get fed x amount x times a day like domestic dogs do?
^It's the same argument with people comparing high quality kibble vs low quality kibble. "My neighbours dog lived 17 years on Purina, so is a high end kibble really necessary?" -> Said someone I was talking to.

I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with Raw. That is also partially why I am on edge about switching my Yorkies food, regardless of what my other dogs may be eating.

Something I've noticed through different forums, is that large breed dog owners seem to be more pro-raw. I'm wondering if maybe smaller breeds don't take as well to it?

Again I'm not arguing, nor am I saying I am completely for or again a raw diet. I'm hear to share what I've learnt, and I am here to learn.
One of the big issues is room temperature meet grows bacteria. Also when a dog eats their raw and then goes to the water dish they are essentially contaminating the water because the raw that is in their mouth get rinsed into the water. You also can not soap and wash all the raw off of the dogs face and or paws every time they eat so its easy for contaminates to spread. The recommend that you definitely not feed raw if you or any one in your house has a compromised immune system and if you have any kids or elderly people. There was on person who talked about raw with her vet and her vet said if she fed them raw she would be required to handle her yorkies with gloves. It also must be balanced or you are looking at serious health issues like bone loss. I'm not a fan of Purina because they took years to pull their chicken jerky that was killing lots of dogs and they wont pull there food beniful which has been linked to many many sick and dead dogs but some of their food does have lots of research in it just like Royal Canin and Hills. I am a huge supporter of home cooking but my older girl who was the only one I had at the time didn't take to it and ended up with IBD so we decided to go to a prescription diet which has helped a lot. With puppies you would have to do a consult with a vet nutritionist but you can start by checking out balanceit.com and petdiets.com. Home cooking is so much safer in my opinion and just awesome! I had never cooked before minus small things so I really enjoyed it. Sorry if I came of harsh I had to do an essay on raw food in my vet assistant class and am just not a fan.
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Does anyone here give there yorkie a BARF diet? (Bones And Raw Food) My son got a dog awhile ago and the breeder suggested to use raw, I guess the dogs parents were on it and siblings and they are all healthy into old age. Just wondering about a little dog. We lost our last Yorkie on June 15th and are not ready to get another one yet, but want to do some research for when we do
I'm a wimp...too scared to feed real raw food & bones. (But would love to some day!)
So I buy pre-made, mostly frozen Primal & Halshan's. I like to have a bag of Primal freeze dried, just in case I forget to thaw the frozen. It's also great for traveling or to give as treats.

My Yorkies are doing awesome on this diet. They're healthy, have so much energy (I don't walk them, they walk me )...they look great, which means they also must feel great. My oldest is 10 yrs young & I expect her to live another 10+ yrs (I hope)!

Here's a great informative link: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...-learning.html
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To be clear, I never stated any Facts. It is my opinions based on what I have read, thus I said "considering what I've learned". I also said I am no vet or nutirionist. I'm saying what I know, and I'm also here to learn.

The biggest problem I've read about Raw is the possible bacteria, which if you freeze the meat for 3 days should not be a problem.

I did not know about the Therapy Dog thing. Can you tell me why that is exactly?

As far as how long they live, can a wild dog be compared to a domestic dog? Their living conditions are completely different. They don't get fed x amount x times a day like domestic dogs do?
^It's the same argument with people comparing high quality kibble vs low quality kibble. "My neighbours dog lived 17 years on Purina, so is a high end kibble really necessary?" -> Said someone I was talking to.

I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with Raw. That is also partially why I am on edge about switching my Yorkies food, regardless of what my other dogs may be eating.

Something I've noticed through different forums, is that large breed dog owners seem to be more pro-raw. I'm wondering if maybe smaller breeds don't take as well to it?

Again I'm not arguing, nor am I saying I am completely for or again a raw diet. I'm hear to share what I've learnt, and I am here to learn.
I'm sorry, but you can't pass off information that you seem sure about as "opinions" when you are presenting them as facts.

Case in point: "The biggest problem I've read about Raw is the possible bacteria, which if you freeze the meat for 3 days should not be a problem." You are presenting this as a fact. It is definitely NOT a fact. In fact, it's dangerous misinformation. Freezing meat for any length of time--long or short--does NOT sterilize it. Bacteria survive freezing! I'm concerned about people on Yorkietalk reading things like this and thinking that they are true when they are DANGEROUS falsehoods. The only way you are going to kill bacteria is by heating to high enough a temperature (cooking), or irradiation (which is not practical). And even then, if the bacteria have already produced toxins, the cooking is not going to destroy them. Let me ask you a question: If someone left an egg salad sandwich out in the sun for a day, would you eat it if someone froze it for three days? If you have meat in your refrigerator that has spoiled, do you put it in the freezer for three days and then eat it? No? I would hope not. In fact, they tell you not to refreeze meat that has been thawed for this very reason.

On another topic, you were the one who brought up dogs eating a raw diet "in the wild." I was just pointing out that dogs in the wild don't live very long. Among the many reasons are lack of vaccination to the many diseases that can be caught from other animals, exposure to the elements, AND diseases from bacteria and parasites that come from scavenging raw foods in the wild. An "argument from nature" regarding raw feeding is therefore invalid. There may be valid reasons (which don't outweigh the negatives, in my opinion), but "dogs in the wild eat raw foods" isn't one of them. I'm not at all a fan of Purina, but if a dog lives a long and healthy life of 17 years on Purina, I view that as a positive thing. Isn't a long and healthy life a positive outcome, and isn't that what we hope for our dogs?

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Something I've noticed through different forums, is that large breed dog owners seem to be more pro-raw. I'm wondering if maybe smaller breeds don't take as well to it?
I have all 4 of mine on raw...and have been feeding raw for 8 years - all small dogs (4 lbs, 4 lbs, 8 lbs, 7.5 lbs). Lots of dogs on YT have done great on it. But it may be more common, for some reason, in larger breeds.
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My vet is absolutely against it. The vet clinic I prefer, they have a doc that goes to very involved classes each year on dog foods. However, there is some truth in Gr33zyinc's post. Husband and I felt two ways about the vet with all of the food information. Firstly, we are ALWAYS impressed with any vet who continues-especially this old school vet- medical education, no matter for humans or animals. Secondly, we were also exasperated at his quick dismissal of any foods NOT science diet. We feel they ARE educated, but the course they take determines what information they'll push.

I fed my labs raw hamburger. I'm just saying. never got sick once.
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My vet is absolutely against it. The vet clinic I prefer, they have a doc that goes to very involved classes each year on dog foods. However, there is some truth in Gr33zyinc's post. Husband and I felt two ways about the vet with all of the food information. Firstly, we are ALWAYS impressed with any vet who continues-especially this old school vet- medical education, no matter for humans or animals. Secondly, we were also exasperated at his quick dismissal of any foods NOT science diet. We feel they ARE educated, but the course they take determines what information they'll push.

I fed my labs raw hamburger. I'm just saying. never got sick once.
Vets and certified vet techs are required to have a certain amount of continuing education every certain amount of years. I think saying they push certain foods just because of what they are taught to a certain extend is correct because they learn the why and how those foods are good for dogs and they know there is science behind it and stuff that can be proven.You got lucky with your labs because feeding an unbalanced meal like that can cause bone loss and other serious issues. It says a lot to me that therapy dogs are not allowed to be fed raw food. I just don't think it is safe but I think homecooking is awesome and a much better and safer alternative for those against kibble.
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