Royal Canin Questions?

[MarkFromSea]

Thanks for the mini and Yorkshire Terrier feed explanations as well as the carbohydrate breakdown. I found those informative and potentially useful. Thanks Ashley!

Just a friendly reminder or thought here, Ashley is an employee. As such she's got to tow the company line here or pay the price. I wouldn't be too hard on her. RC has made a change, looks major enough for me to think, "I probably won't be using their Yorkie specific feed," but, I am interested in reading some additional info from Ashley, courtesy of RC.

Generally, truth is found somewhere in the middle of two debating sides.

[BBBentley]

So I'm Confused... Do they or Don't they source from China??

[BBBentley]

Originally Posted by RoyalCaninCA

Hi @Doodlebug!

Some of our veterinary formulas are available in a small breed format. I think I remember you saying in a previous post you feed Hyperallergenic HP formula...? If yes, I did a quick check on the US RC website, and it appears there is a Hyperallergenic HP Small Breed formula in the US http://m.royalcanin.us/site/vetprodu...dprotein.html#

If your vet does not regularly stock it in the clinic, they should be able to order the small breed format for your little guys. I would give them a call to check

Ashley

That was me i use the small breed formula Hypoallergenic and not Hyperallergenic.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by BBBentley

So I'm Confused... Do they or Don't they source from China??

They won't say they don't. One of their twelve facilities is in China.

So I personally would assume they do.

Other websites say RC sources vitamins from China.

The whole lack of transparency, I have a problem with. Honesty builds trust, talking in circles...not so much so. I'm done with RC.

[BBBentley]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

They won't say they don't. One of their twelve facilities is in China.

So I personally would assume they do.

Other websites say RC sources vitamins from China.

The whole lack of transparency, I have a problem with. Honesty builds trust, talking in circles...not so much so. I'm done with RC.

Yeah... I'm thinking the same. this is disappointing. Not sure what I'm going to do yet

[ladyjane]

To each his own.

I don't contact Hill's, RC and Purina and ask them where they get each and every ingredient in their foods. I trust that they do exactly as Ashley has described. Telling me where they buy things for my dogs' foods is not going to tell me how reliable they are. They are the companies I use and will continue to use because I trust their quality control. I don't honestly care if they purchase from China as long as I know they are testing as they say they are. I have seen plenty of disasters in the dog food industry that had nothing to do with China...some maybe did...but again, not ALL companies were affected. That is why I trust who I trust. I think she is trying to draw a picture that no one wants to accept. It is NOT about WHERE things come from as much as HOW reliable the quality control is. *shrug*

Personally, I see all this as a waste of her time. It has also become a waste of my time as well. I really looked forward to her talks about nutrition, but no one really wants that and they will continue to turn this thread into whatever it is and I don't have time to wade through it all. No, she is not going to give the answers that some of you want....honestly, if she said all came from the US, you who are on this case so heavily would not feed RC anyway. So...really? I am sorry, but this is such a waste that I am not even going to bother reading it anymore. Sadly, it is, as I said, typical internet *stuff*.

Now, back to your regular scheduled programming. Grain of salt I say! I will not be back. LOL

[mimimomo]

Doesn't most vitamins for people & pets come from China?

I know Balance IT was very truthful in telling me where they get their vitamins...they said it's very hard to source vitamin B from the U.S., so that comes from China. All their other vitamins are sourced here, in the U.S.A. They do test all their vitamins for purity, potency & safety, I was satisfied w/their answer.

Most pet food vitamin premixes come from China. They say 'all ingredients are from the U.S.A' on their packages...when their vitamin premix is from China. Like Balance IT said, it's very hard to source vitamin B from the U.S...do you think these corporate giants & smaller companies are going to spend that xtra $ to source vitamin B from the U.S & cut through their cost? Just bc it's packaged here & sold here does not mean it's made in the U.S.A.

We, as consumers have the right to know.

[Nancy1999]

I was able to get a reply from them, persistence pays off! Here's what they said, " . . . However, like most other pet food and human food companies, we are only able to source some of our vitamins and minerals from China."

I'm glad that they answered my question, but I think it's misleading to say that there is not another source for certain vitamins. I think there are trying to say, for the price we want to pay, China is the place we have to go. I think the chicken jerky scare this past year really made me aware of the fact that even if a company is promising quality control, they don't always know what's causing the problem and it took so long before they found out what was causing all the dogs deaths. There are some dog food companies who do not use China as a source for their vitamins.


Jenny, regarding Balance It supplement I've been told that PetDiet's supplement doesn't use any vitamins from China. Cathy (Barney) said this on another thread.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

To each his own.

I don't contact Hill's, RC and Purina and ask them where they get each and every ingredient in their foods. I trust that they do exactly as Ashley has described. Telling me where they buy things for my dogs' foods is not going to tell me how reliable they are. They are the companies I use and will continue to use because I trust their quality control. I don't honestly care if they purchase from China as long as I know they are testing as they say they are. I have seen plenty of disasters in the dog food industry that had nothing to do with China...some maybe did...but again, not ALL companies were affected. That is why I trust who I trust. I think she is trying to draw a picture that no one wants to accept. It is NOT about WHERE things come from as much as HOW reliable the quality control is. *shrug*

Personally, I see all this as a waste of her time. It has also become a waste of my time as well. I really looked forward to her talks about nutrition, but no one really wants that and they will continue to turn this thread into whatever it is and I don't have time to wade through it all. No, she is not going to give the answers that some of you want....honestly, if she said all came from the US, you who are on this case so heavily would not feed RC anyway. So...really? I am sorry, but this is such a waste that I am not even going to bother reading it anymore. Sadly, it is, as I said, typical internet *stuff*.

Now, back to your regular scheduled programming. Grain of salt I say! I will not be back. LOL

A discussion about nutrition and how all that stuff interacts, the uses for grains and why they are used, etc., it was all very interesting. Unfortunately, this became more about her "skills at deception" and "hidden agendas" and dancing around in circles not answering questions".....questions that were clearly meant to do nothing more than corner her into saying any part of what RC uses comes from China, at which point, there would then be yet a new point of attack, and it goes on and on. People that do not like RC and do not intend to feed it, or intend to stop feeding it, will not take anything away from her posts, including anything she tries to say about quality control and quality management.

This is nothing but a waste of her time and while I hate to see her go, because there actually are people on here that have enjoyed reading her posts, and have probably learn a fact or two about what she posted, I certainly would understand her departure. She came here as a nutritionist, to answer questions about building blocks in the food we feed....she did not come here to defend RC or to sell RC, or to coax people to change their minds about what RC uses and where it is sourced from, and I believe she was bludgeoned by people that already had decided they were not going to feed RC, as well as people that never have fed the diet so they are totally clueless about personal trial results. Too bad they didnt just skip her posts and allow people with an honest interest in what she was trying to impart to them, continue to enjoy the opportunity to possibly learn something. I personally would advise her to leave....her posts are no longer doing what they were designed to do, and have become nothing but an opportunity for people that do not like RC, to denigrate the product.

Unfortunately, no one on this forum has used this product as long as I have, with the number of dogs I have. I believe in evidenced based outcomes.....I KNOW what RC does for my dogs, and I will continue to use it until that changes. I feed RC solely because of what it does for my dogs, not because of the graphics or colors or pretty pictures on the bag. Not because of the ingredients list or the order they appear on that list. I am NOT a nutritionist and I do not care what that ingredients list says...it works! My family does not eat this dog food, so I can not say how it affects my family's health. My dogs are healthy, they love the food, and that is the bottom line....it works for my dogs, it always has. When it no longer does this, there is no reason to continue to use it. I fold, I am out too.

[MarkFromSea]

With that question answered, RC does use some ingredients from China, what's next?

How many other dog foods use some ingredients from China? How common is it?

Search Results china
This is short and sweet: China-Free Dog Food? Don't Count on It

I do intend on calling Wellness to see if they are in the same boat, they're gone for the day. Having just learned what I read, it's likely that most pet foods contain ingredients from china. That sucks but is what it is. I had no idea! Thanks for asking Nancy!

Hey Ashley, my little old guy eats his minimum amount recommended, 1/3 cup of kibble per day, and never his maximum amount recommended, 1/2 cup of kibble per day. What does RC use to stimulate appetite? Apparently, my little old guy thinks Wellness Complete Health Toy Senior sucks. My better half mixes in chopped chicken and broth to get him to at least eat the minimum amount. Yes, the added chopped chicken brings his volume consumed up closer to the 1/2 cup but is there something specific that RC uses? I've read that smell and texture is more important than flavor.

Fifth owners, 11-13 yrs old, 5 pound, currently walks 3 miles 5 times per week. His energy level seems a little lower than when he was on Nutro Toy Senior, but it's tough to quantify.

[Doodlebug]

I don't think Ashley will leave because people are questioning if ingredients are coming from China. I doubt if that is Ashley's doings anyway. I agree with Mark in that it is probably company policy not to disclose certain things and it is not Ashley's fault. Now I think that probably most dog food contains something from China.

I just want to be aware of ingredients from China because of the chicken jerky scare. 10 years ago when my dogs were puppies we gave them chicken jerky treats from China. Teddy Bear was throwing up a lot and we thought he had a sensitive tummy so we changed dog food a lot. We couldn't figure why he was throwing up undigested food all the time. Then when the warnings first came out about the jerkey treats from China we stopped buying them immediately. Teddy Bear was never sick again. We returned a bag of Jerky treats to Costco and the employee there told us that they were getting a lot of jerky treats returned because dogs who were eating them were sick like Teddy Bear. So I just want to be aware if anything in the food we are feeding them is from China. I don't think that is too much to ask after all we went through with Teddy Bear being sick because of a product coming from China.

I don't dislike Ashley or want her to go away. I appreciate her being here. We can all read what she is telling us about Royal Canin and take away what we want. If I quit feeding my dogs RC food it would be because I felt the company was being deceptive about sourcing ingredients from China (if there are any ingredients from China), more than that there are ingredients from China in it. Because now I am wondering if there is any dog food out there that doesn't have something from China in it. Since we are new to RC and we are on prescription food, the ingredient change in the Yorkie food didn't affect us.

All I know is that I feel fortunate that I still have my little Teddy Bear with me and he wasn't one of the statistics of the Jerky treats from China. But I am going to do what I can to try and make the best choices for them to keep them healthy.

[Opium88]

if I change food on my two they might never speak to me again... they love their chinese vitamins from Rc. And they're healthy. And they're picky. I am their slave. I do what they want and they want RC.

[107barney]

I'm not sure why people are upset about chinese vitamin sourcing. I guess its for the same reason I'm upset that my olive oil was made here instead of imported from italy. It doesn't mean I hate the company, I just don't want olive oil that wasn't pressed in Italy. Shame on me for not reading the plastic bottle. We have consumer choices. It doesn't mean the olive oil isn't safe, tasty, or otherwise acceptable. I just don't want it because I want my italian olive oil. I feel the same way about a lot of products... I don't want my tuna from a can where a dolphin was killed or oysters sitting in a soybean oil. This is a different issue than nutrition or QC. As long as people know that, why would the question chase the dog food rep away?

FWIW, I've fed RC and continue to keep some on hand.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Opium88

if I change food on my two they might never speak to me again... they love their chinese vitamins from Rc. And they're healthy. And they're picky. I am their slave. I do what they want and they want RC.

Best laugh I've had all morning! Thank You!

[mimimomo]

I'm not upset about the vitamins from China...a company should be able to answer your questions w/out any hesitation.

I was very happy w/Balance IT's quick & helpful response. I wouldn't hesitate using it...