Opinions On Royal Canin Requested

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie

Is Royal Canin at a higher, lesser, or equal quality than Wellness CORE/Wellness Small Breed? I like the ingredients of Wellness but a lot of YT members seem to like Royal Canin.

it depends on who you ask and what you consider higher quality. Dog Advisor (who some people don't recommend) rates food according to protein quality. He rates Wellness Core high.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

It's exhausting researching dog food, I have read good and bad reviews about RC. Most complaints are about the fillers, most positive thoughts are about the science supporting it. Ali is eating Fromm now and seems to like it. The lamb/lentil is very tiny kibble so it works well for her. If you can find a store that carries it they should have free sample sizes for you to try. (she liked the chicken veg too)

Thank you. I just got off the phone with Fromm. I was very interested in the Four Star Grain Free products but the Fromm representative recommended against them for our little old guy. Summarized, it might be too rich for him because he is older and small, his organs need to work harder to process it she explained. She did recommend the other Four Star products, just not the grain free line. LOL Catch 22, the non grain free products are bigger kibble and harder for my old guy to swallow. The Fromm Four Star Chicken A' La Veg is on the list for us to try, the Salmon A' La Veg is also since it is the smallest of grain inclusive Four Stars and of course there is their senior products. Back to the research. RC changing their ingredients pretty much puts them on hold for me since that creates additional confusion presently. I will need to remember that it seems that no yorkie snubs their nose at it though.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Thank you. I just got off the phone with Fromm. I was very interested in the Four Star Grain Free products but the Fromm representative recommended against them for our little old guy. Summarized, it might be too rich for him because he is older and small, his organs need to work harder to process it she explained. She did recommend the other Four Star products, just not the grain free line. LOL Catch 22, the non grain free products are bigger kibble and harder for my old guy to swallow. The Fromm Four Star Chicken A' La Veg is on the list for us to try, the Salmon A' La Veg is also since it is the smallest of grain inclusive Four Stars and of course there is their senior products. Back to the research. RC changing their ingredients pretty much puts them on hold for me since that creates additional confusion presently. I will need to remember that it seems that no yorkie snubs their nose at it though.

Although we have been using RC for about 8 years, after reading the new ingredients that you posted, I think I will be switching. One of the problems we've had with other foods, is the size of the kibble among other things, and I'm looking into Wellness Small breed, it's very similar to the ingrediants of the original Royal Canin.

Deboned Turkey, Chicken Meal, Salmon Meal, Oatmeal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Barley, Rye Flour, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Menhaden Fish Meal, Tomato Pomace, Tomatoes, Natural Chicken Flavor, Carrots, Pea Fiber, Ground Flaxseed, Salmon Oil, Potassium Chloride, Spinach, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Beta-Carotene, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Biotin, Folic Acid], Minerals [Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate], Choline Chloride, Mixed Tocopherols added to preserve freshness, Apples, Sweet Potatoes, Blueberries, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Taurine, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Rosemary Extract, Green Tea Extract.Small Breed Complete Health Adult Turkey & Oatmeal Recipe

[SirTeddykins]

Sorry,


Teddy hated it, which was a bit concerning since the breeder recommended it and sent him home with it, but oh well!


As such, we moved him to Acana which he eats so fast he snorts.


Not sure that's great either but at least he eats, right!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

Sorry,


Teddy hated it, which was a bit concerning since the breeder recommended it and sent him home with it, but oh well!


As such, we moved him to Acana which he eats so fast he snorts.


Not sure that's great either but at least he eats, right!

Lol, my two already eat too fast!

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Thank you. I just got off the phone with Fromm. I was very interested in the Four Star Grain Free products but the Fromm representative recommended against them for our little old guy. Summarized, it might be too rich for him because he is older and small, his organs need to work harder to process it she explained. She did recommend the other Four Star products, just not the grain free line. LOL Catch 22, the non grain free products are bigger kibble and harder for my old guy to swallow. The Fromm Four Star Chicken A' La Veg is on the list for us to try, the Salmon A' La Veg is also since it is the smallest of grain inclusive Four Stars and of course there is their senior products. Back to the research. RC changing their ingredients pretty much puts them on hold for me since that creates additional confusion presently. I will need to remember that it seems that no yorkie snubs their nose at it though.

Interesting, I wonder if it's the fat/protein percentage? The grain free is a little higher so maybe that is what they were warning about. Ali is a pup so she is fine with the ingredients for now. The chicken A' La Veg kibble size is close to the RC Yorkie food. It's a flatter piece of kibble vs. the roundness of RC. Ali had trouble with the roundness/crunchability of RC so she just swallowed it whole and many times it came back up. The Fromm Lamb/lentil is the size of cat food kibble and easier for her to crunch, probably not as hard as some kibble. She has an overbite so more of a challenge.

The Wellness Small Breed that Nancy mentioned is a pretty new product so that's an option too?

[Yorkiemom1]

I am waiting to get a response from my RC rep. I will paste the response on here, as i am also concerned about a major change in ingredients.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am waiting to get a response from my RC rep. I will paste the response on here, as i am also concerned about a major change in ingredients.

Thank you, I'm trying to guess what they will say, here's what Wikipedia says about chicken by-product meal.

Poultry by-product meal (PBM) is a high-protein commodity used as a major component in some pet foods. It is made from grinding clean, rendered parts of poultry carcasses and can contain bones, offal and undeveloped eggs, but only contains feathers that are unavoidable in the processing of the poultry parts.[1] Poultry by-product meal quality and composition can change from one batch to another.

Chicken by-product meal, like poultry by-product, is made of "dry, ground, rendered clean parts of the chicken carcass" according to AAFCO and may contain the same ingredients as poultry by-product. Chicken by-product can vary in quality from batch to batch. Chicken by-product costs less than chicken muscle meat and lacks the digestibility of chicken muscle meat. Poultry by-product meal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's what they say about about Brewers Rice


Brewers rice

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brewers' rice is the small milled fragments of rice kernels that have been separated from the larger kernels of milled rice. (AAFCO definition).[1] Brewers' rice is a processed rice product that is missing many of the nutrients contained in whole ground rice and brown rice thus reducing the quality[2]

Brewers' rice and second heads are one of the many byproducts that rice milling creates. Second heads are milled rice kernels that are one half to three quarters of the original kernel. Brewers' rice is a milled rice kernel that is one quarter to half the size of a full kernel. Second heads, depending on
their quality are used to make rice flour. "If the quality of the second heads are poor, they will be sold for pet food or dairy feed. Brewers rice is sold for pet food and dairy feed exclusively."[3] and, despite having little nutritional value is found in approximately one third of pet food sold in the US.[4]

I don't mind that being in the food, it could be useful for something, but for it to be the first ingredient?

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Although we have been using RC for about 8 years, after reading the new ingredients that you posted, I think I will be switching. One of the problems we've had with other foods, is the size of the kibble among other things, and I'm looking into Wellness Small breed, it's very similar to the ingrediants of the original Royal Canin.

I have been using this for like I said, since late '70's/early '80's.....I have to simmer on this for a while and see what they tell me, and decide what I will do. Thank you for your research Nancy into the Wellness....I am at leastsomewhat comforted with the idea that there may be a similar product to the RC formula my people around here eat and love.....

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I have been using this for like I said, since late '70's/early '80's.....I have to simmer on this for a while and see what they tell me, and decide what I will do. Thank you for your research Nancy into the Wellness....I am at leastsomewhat comforted with the idea that there may be a similar product to the RC formula my people around here eat and love.....

Wow, it must really be hard for you, and you have to depend upon it for your new little pups first kibble. I was panicking, this is such a fear for me that I won't be able to feed them. I swear everything I read about home cooking makes it sound so complicated. Not the food but the supplements, and how much and what kind and giving too much is dangerous, etc etc. There was a product called balance it, that made things pretty simple, but apparently, they aren't shipping to vendors anymore, and the product may be difficult to get. Not only that, but the boys have been doing so well on RC, they love it and are at a very healthy weight with it, I have none of the problems so many others have with gas and vomiting. Also, I'm afraid if I feed them human food, it will be too easy to overfed them. I want RC to say, no no don't worry, that's not happening.

[sandy simpson]

I feed Wellness complete balance chicken and oatmeal and I am very happy with it. My poodle breeder feeds her show dogs that food and their coats she says are beautiful. I agree with her. This is a high quality food.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Although we have been using RC for about 8 years, after reading the new ingredients that you posted, I think I will be switching. One of the problems we've had with other foods, is the size of the kibble among other things, and I'm looking into Wellness Small breed, it's very similar to the ingrediants of the original Royal Canin.

Royal Canin Yorkshire 28 is still available online and maybe at some of your local stores... IDK I'd first verify that RC Yorkie 28 is being phased out and if so, stock up a bit on the 28 that is available to delay the switch. That's what I would do if we had already been using RC Yorkie 28. I wouldn't buy so much that it becomes stale for the pups though. If buying on line, I'd actually call them to make sure they weren't going to just substitute the new formula bag for the Yorkie 28 that you would be buying.

Thanks for the ingredients of Wellness, that looks pretty good!

[Yorkiemom1]

After all these years of feeding this food with excellent results, no problems, no issues, etc, to now find myself, as my brother says "shot in the a$$" frantically scurrying around, trying to find a dog food that will work as well and been so well tolerated as my RC....I too am in a panic Nancy! I am thinking I may continue to feed the RC, monitor weights and coats and tolerance to the formula change, and if there is not adverse reactions to the new formula, I will continue to feed it.....all the while waiting to hear from the rep. There is no way I could home cook for all these kiddos....and it scares me as a friend of mine was doing it and somehow she screwed up and after a couple of years, her Yorkie's jaw began to deform/weaken/get soft....the vet said that was from something that was missing in her diet (I cant remember the medical name for the condition!) I dont want to go there!

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

Sorry,


Teddy hated it, which was a bit concerning since the breeder recommended it and sent him home with it, but oh well!


As such, we moved him to Acana which he eats so fast he snorts.


Not sure that's great either but at least he eats, right!

I know the noise. Thanks for the good laugh and a post that rounds out the ayes and nays some!

[Britster]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Do you have an opinion about Fromm?

Gucci seemed very interested in Orijen the first meal, after that, he just won't eat it on his own. The same occurred with two different Orijen formulas. I spent about two weeks on each. Acana being the same manufacturer, I just didn't expect any improvement by trying.

Thank you.

Fromm is a great brand and a great company. A few of their formulas are a bit "busy" IMO (some have too many peas, lentils, etc taking up the bulk of the protein) but honestly... a good food and a company I trust. Jackson thinks the Beef Fritta and the lamb one are crack - he eats them up so fast.

FWIW, Jackson did not like Orijen but he loves Acana Duck and Pork (from the Singles line). He also does very well on them.

He did like the flavor of RC but I felt his poops were too soft and his body condition wasn't the greatest when he ate it. He wasn't on it long though, maybe two months.

We've fed Acana the most consistently throughout the years. I always end up back on it lol even through the changes, he still seems to do best on it.