Opinions On Royal Canin Requested

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Mark - it may be tougher to find, but have you tried Nature's Logic yet? It's a bit of a different food, but very impressive. Maybe they can send you samples...? Contact Us - Nature's Logic

I haven't looked that one up yet.
Been running the senior wellness by my better half, checking prices/availability.
Local stores, about $19 for 4 lbs, tax incl. first bag..... if works out.. about $13 for 4 pounds, buy 4 bags at a time to get shipping included at chewy.com.

[thelittleyorkie]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Wellness Dry Recipes for Dogs

I don't see a toy breed puppy in wellness.... so exactly what are ya asking?

Gives me a chance to look at their senior toy breed, that's my only focus at this point. Toy Breed Complete Health Senior Deboned Chicken & Oatmeal Recipe

Those were two separate questions I was asking. (also i was typing on my phone so I couldn't go into much detail) Isn't a Yorkshire Terrier a Small Breed and a Toy Breed?

[MarkFromSea]

I'm starting to think Gucci has Ol Roy taste buds and I'm trying to feed him pate' and caviar! LOL

If you haven't read this review, it's kinda hilarious once you get to where they describe the meat content. LOL ROADKILL! LOL
Ol' Roy Dog Food | Review and Rating

[gemy]

Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie

Those were two separate questions I was asking. (also i was typing on my phone so I couldn't go into much detail) Isn't a Yorkshire Terrier a Small Breed and a Toy Breed?

Your answer is yes to both. Toy breeds nomenclature is probably sourced from the conformation or show environment. Small breed is a more generic term that is in public use.


Different organizations may classify small/medium/large/giant etc to their own definitons which is by no means universal. Usually done by weight ie: small is 25lbs medium 25+-50 large 50+ to 75 large 75+ to 100 etc.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie

Those were two separate questions I was asking. (also i was typing on my phone so I couldn't go into much detail) Isn't a Yorkshire Terrier a Small Breed and a Toy Breed?

By the AKC guidelines, a yorkie is a toy breed, 4-7 pounds or something... others are still yorkies, just bigger and more to love. google would help better than I on that. Here ya go!

Weight: Must not exceed seven pounds.
https://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire...d_standard.cfm
https://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie

Those were two separate questions I was asking. (also i was typing on my phone so I couldn't go into much detail) Isn't a Yorkshire Terrier a Small Breed and a Toy Breed?

AKC Breeds by Group - Toy Group

I didn't find a small breed definition at AKC... looks like small breed is more of perspective or who is defining it.. to a great dane owner, a german shepherd is small.... unless you can find a definition somewhere, dog food manufacturers may have a different weight that they consider in their small breed kibble.

Since we're talking about food specifically here...Unless I'm missing something, only a small % of food manufacturers have a toy breed specific food. Seems like most have small breed food.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie

Or wellness small breed puppy? What's the difference between the toy breed and small breed?

Yorkies are a toy breed, but that doesn't mean all have to eat foods labeled "toy". These foods are probably smaller sized kibble and even smaller packaging. The word "small breed" on the label, has no specific meaning with the AKC. A variety of dogs would fit in this label, probably dogs under 30 pounds. While a large breed dog, can eat smaller kibble, large kibble is harmful to some small dogs and they will swallow the kibble whole instead of chewing it, and that can cause intestinal distress. However, some small dogs have no problems with larger kibble.

Concerning, Wellness small breed vs. toy breed, they look very similar in the quality of their ingredients, the toy breed has a higher protein content 30 instead of 28, not sure if that's an advantage, 28 is probably good enough, if it's a high quality protein, and both seem to be using good sources of protein, as in no "by products". I believe the toy breed can only be purchased in 2 and 4 pound bags, while the small breed can be purchased in 4 and 12 pound bags.
Toy Breed Complete Health Adult Deboned Chicken, Brown Rice & Peas Recipe

Small Breed Complete Health Adult Turkey & Oatmeal Recipe

Not sure yet if one would be better than the other, I wish it were easier to find calories per cup, that would influence my decision, because my boys are prone to weight gain.

[tokipoki]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yorkies are a toy breed, but that doesn't mean all have to eat foods labeled "toy". These foods are probably smaller sized kibble and even smaller packaging. The word "small breed" on the label, has no specific meaning with the AKC. A variety of dogs would fit in this label, probably dogs under 30 pounds. While a large breed dog, can eat smaller kibble, large kibble is harmful to some small dogs and they will swallow the kibble whole instead of chewing it, and that can cause intestinal distress. However, some small dogs have no problems with larger kibble.

Concerning, Wellness small breed vs. toy breed, they look very similar in the quality of their ingredients, the toy breed has a higher protein content 30 instead of 28, not sure if that's an advantage, 28 is probably good enough, if it's a high quality protein, and both seem to be using good sources of protein, as in no "by products". I believe the toy breed can only be purchased in 2 and 4 pound bags, while the small breed can be purchased in 4 and 12 pound bags.
Toy Breed Complete Health Adult Deboned Chicken, Brown Rice & Peas Recipe

Small Breed Complete Health Adult Turkey & Oatmeal Recipe

Not sure yet if one would be better than the other, I wish it were easier to find calories per cup, that would influence my decision, because my boys are prone to weight gain.

502 and 420 calories/cup respectively for the Wellness formulas you linked. The calorie content is under the "feeding guidelines" tab. I was surprised at how much higher in calories the toy breed formulas are but I guess it's because they have smaller kibbles and more fits into a cup.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tokipoki

502 and 420 calories/cup respectively for the Wellness formulas you linked. The calorie content is under the "feeding guidelines" tab. I was surprised at how much higher in calories the toy breed formulas are but I guess it's because they have smaller kibbles and more fits into a cup.

Oh thanks so much, that helps a lot. Yeah, I guess a better way to compare would be calories per gram.

[Nancy1999]

If you do the per gram measurement the toy food still has more calories 3,832 kcal/kg for the toy, vs. 3,740 kcal/kg for the small breed. Royal Canin had 3802 calories per kcal/kg, and I wanted to stay close to that number, so I could use either one of these.

[thelittleyorkie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yorkies are a toy breed, but that doesn't mean all have to eat foods labeled "toy". These foods are probably smaller sized kibble and even smaller packaging. The word "small breed" on the label, has no specific meaning with the AKC. A variety of dogs would fit in this label, probably dogs under 30 pounds. While a large breed dog, can eat smaller kibble, large kibble is harmful to some small dogs and they will swallow the kibble whole instead of chewing it, and that can cause intestinal distress. However, some small dogs have no problems with larger kibble.

Concerning, Wellness small breed vs. toy breed, they look very similar in the quality of their ingredients, the toy breed has a higher protein content 30 instead of 28, not sure if that's an advantage, 28 is probably good enough, if it's a high quality protein, and both seem to be using good sources of protein, as in no "by products". I believe the toy breed can only be purchased in 2 and 4 pound bags, while the small breed can be purchased in 4 and 12 pound bags.
Toy Breed Complete Health Adult Deboned Chicken, Brown Rice & Peas Recipe

Small Breed Complete Health Adult Turkey & Oatmeal Recipe

Not sure yet if one would be better than the other, I wish it were easier to find calories per cup, that would influence my decision, because my boys are prone to weight gain.

Thanks Nancy! In your opinion (for a yorkie puppy), which would be better Wellness Puppy Core or Wellness Small Breed Puppy? They don't have a Toy Breed Puppy...

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie

Thanks Nancy! In your opinion (for a yorkie puppy), which would be better Wellness Puppy Core or Wellness Small Breed Puppy? They don't have a Toy Breed Puppy...

I was considering both in the adult formulas, Core has potato as the carb and Small Breed has oatmeal, and ground brown rice as the starch, but that seems to be the major difference. I've heard potatoes don't have much besides energy to offer in nutrition, so, I think small breed might be slightly better, but I'm just guessing, and both sound nutritious enough. From my understanding, the source of protein and quality are the major deciding factors. Both have deboned chicken and chicken meal as their first and second ingredient which is excellent. Small Breed Adult has a very small kibble, and I know Wellness in other formulas, such as Simple Solutions, has a large kibble that was too large for one of my dogs, but I can't comment on the kibble size of Core. Since you are feeding a puppy, it probably doesn't make a difference, it should be small.

I'm also considering Nature's Logic, the puppy food and adult food are the same, and it has no starch. I'm thinking the way my two hold on to every pound, taking out the starch might be a good idea.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

The Fromm samples I picked up yesterday were a no go today. Even did our 3 mile walk and waited till after 7pm before mamma fed him his boiled/chopped chicken. I know, not enough nutritional value. Still working on it.

In the interim, we'll pick up another bag of his previous food, Senior Toy Breed Natural Dog Food : NUTRO® NATURAL CHOICE® Dog Foods - The Nutro Company , and look at some supplements to put on his boiled/chopped chicken.

Sorry to read the Fromm didn't work out. My pup doesn't gobble her food down but she finishes it by late morning. For dinner she gets this Freshpet® Select Tender Chicken with Crisp Carrots & Leafy Spinach Dog Food Recipe which she gobbles down. It's not kibble but if you are giving him boiled chicken this may be a better option. It's fresh so watch dates. I freeze part of it because we can't use it fast enough. (one week from opening).

[MarkFromSea]

I went to a local Petco today after calling smaller and closer pet food stores. The smaller stores didn't have this in stock. I bought a 4 pound bag of Wellness Toy Breed Complete Health Senior Deboned Chicken & Oatmeal Adult Dog Food. The kibble is tiny! So far, so good! Gucci seems to like it today, we'll see what tomorrow brings!

The bag is resealable and should stay a little fresher a little bit longer.

With tax, $18.61 for the 4 pounds. If he continues to enjoy it, chewy.com will be much cheaper per pound when buying 4 bags at a time.
Wellness Toy Breed Complete Health Senior Deboned Chicken & Oatmeal Adult Dog Food at PETCO
Wellness Toy Breed Complete Health Senior Deboned Chicken & Oatmeal Recipe Dry Dog Food, 4-lb bag

[shelbysmom]

HOPE he loves it !!!