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Cherie6446 · 06-11-2014, 11:30 AM

Teeny, what was the problem with you little one? I would love to put Zoey back on a raw diet but not with this vet. Zoey has had two bouts of pancreatitis in two years - not from raw food but fat treats that I had given her.

Teegy · 06-11-2014, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie6446

Teeny, what was the problem with you little one? I would love to put Zoey back on a raw diet but not with this vet. Zoey has had two bouts of pancreatitis in two years - not from raw food but fat treats that I had given her.

Teegy also had two bouts of pancreatitis. I switched vets and in hindsight it was the best decision ever. Any questions I asked about holistic or homeopathic medicine and the raw diet were poopooed and sorry I'm not built that way.
The vet I am with now has been in practice for over 50 years, is completely holistic but will provide mainstream medicine if the condition requires it and supports a raw diet. It really is best to find someone who supports raw feeding so you have the support and good instruction regarding the health of your pet. Many raw feeders I know out of the states tell me vets who care for farm or large animals seem more behind raw and natural feeding if you can't find a holistic one. feel free to PM me if you wish.

Lovetodream88 · 06-11-2014, 02:10 PM

I would not switch a dog with a compromised immune system to raw food it's just not safe or a good idea. It's funny how some people like to bash these prescription foods that keep many many dogs alive, happy and healthy. To many people think they know what a dog needs when they have taken no classes or gotten any degrees in pet nutrition!

Teegy · 06-11-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I would not switch a dog with a compromised immune system to raw food it's just not safe or a good idea. It's funny how some people like to bash these prescription foods that keep many many dogs alive, happy and healthy. To many people think they know what a dog needs when they have taken no classes or gotten any degrees in pet nutrition!

You are completely and utterly wrong. I spoke in great detail with my very experienced vet and my dog is completely happy and healthy. I think it's a shame that people who have not experienced the situation to speak so negatively and unfortunately are quite ignorant in the realities of the good it has done for so many dogs. Raw is not a miracle but it has certainly brought a lot of very sick and emaciated dogs back to health in a right balance where all the prescription foods and drugs have failed. I hear about it every day from all the hundreds and thousands of raw feeders I interact with daily.

Lovetodream88 · 06-11-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Teegy

You are completely and utterly wrong. I spoke in great detail with my very experienced vet and my dog is completely happy and healthy. I think it's a shame that people who have not experienced the situation to speak so negatively and unfortunately are quite ignorant in the realities of the good it has done for so many dogs. Raw is not a miracle but it has certainly brought a lot of very sick and emaciated dogs back to health in a right balance where all the prescription foods and drugs have failed. I hear about it every day from all the hundreds and thousands of raw feeders I interact with daily.

I have heard so seriously horrifying raw stories no need for me to take those risks. In your opinion I am wrong but when a huge vet association comes out and says we no longer support raw feeding because of the risks it's not something to ignore. Considering you are pretty much against any medicines and even heartworm prevention I would take EVERYTHING you say with a grain or salt because a lot of the stuff you suggest is just not safe. So in my opinion you are wrong.

107barney · 06-11-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Teegy

You are completely and utterly wrong. I spoke in great detail with my very experienced vet and my dog is completely happy and healthy. I think it's a shame that people who have not experienced the situation to speak so negatively and unfortunately are quite ignorant in the realities of the good it has done for so many dogs. Raw is not a miracle but it has certainly brought a lot of very sick and emaciated dogs back to health in a right balance where all the prescription foods and drugs have failed. I hear about it every day from all the hundreds and thousands of raw feeders I interact with daily.

Some of us think you're the one that's wrong and that holistic vets are the ignorant ones. You do your arguments a real disservice when you reject life saving preventative meds like heartworm preventives and promote things like Amber fossil that IMO are quackery.

Teegy · 06-11-2014, 03:12 PM

Well vets get financial support for their training and organizations check out the sponsors on their websites. Of course they want you to feed your dogs prescription they sell in their clinics. You feed a dog a natural diet that offers no threat to their digestive system they won't get sick. I wish more and more vets were like mine. As for the heartworm issue my dogs are not in a high risk zone there is absolutely no need for me to administer pesticides that could tax their organs especially since Teegy has already had issue with pancreatitis. They have healthy and happy immune systems. I know so many people who live in the country in high mosquito zones who use natural means of repellant and have done for years and no heartworm. You need certain conditions for that and it's not here. You say I'm wrong I say your wrong. I already figured out that you and I and several others will always have opposing opinions. I can live with that.

Cherie6446 · 06-11-2014, 04:39 PM

Teegy, thanks for your response to my question.

Lovetodream88 · 06-11-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Teegy

Well vets get financial support for their training and organizations check out the sponsors on their websites. Of course they want you to feed your dogs prescription they sell in their clinics. You feed a dog a natural diet that offers no threat to their digestive system they won't get sick. I wish more and more vets were like mine. As for the heartworm issue my dogs are not in a high risk zone there is absolutely no need for me to administer pesticides that could tax their organs especially since Teegy has already had issue with pancreatitis. They have healthy and happy immune systems. I know so many people who live in the country in high mosquito zones who use natural means of repellant and have done for years and no heartworm. You need certain conditions for that and it's not here. You say I'm wrong I say your wrong. I already figured out that you and I and several others will always have opposing opinions. I can live with that.

This whole vets make a lot of money for selling prescription food is completely false information and I wish people would stop spreading that hogwash. Most vets are here to help dogs not make them worse or just make money. These natural means that you have posted have either been dangerous, nontested, and from a person trying so scare and trick people into buying his stuff. People living in a high risk heartworm area and not using preventive is just not smart and I love my dog way to much to risk it. It's not something to play with and all these people say how bad the preventives are but have yet to acknowledge how much worse the treatment for heartworms are and how much more dangerous they are. Opinions are one things but lets not forget the facts............

Potter · 06-11-2014, 07:01 PM

If everyone on this thread do not mind, I'd like to offer my 2 cents for whatever it is worth..I do believe when a dog has compromised immune, raw is really not a good idea. I have friend's Shih Tzu who almost died from being fed raw...it just doesn't work for every dog especially those with compromised immune.

I myself has always believe in feeding good food and has been feeding Stella & Chewy till he got sick 2 weeks ago...bloodwork came back as pancreatitis and he was on IV for about 2 days in total and multiple subcutaneous injections after.

We tried Hills I/d at first but he wouldn't eat that and one of the vet techs told me the finicky ones usually like Royal Canin so we tried that and he loves it. Needless to say he is on Royal Canin Low Fat Gastrointestinal wet as prescribed by our vet with tiny bits of boiled chicken breast and BacPak Plus digestive enzyme powder. He has never been better and he used to be really picky. Now his appetite totally opens up and he is like a different dog. In hindsight I think he wasn't feeling well in the past and thus the reason why he waa picky. I just started him on some of the RC low fat dry(moistened for easier digestion) and he loves it as well. The funny thing is he also loves his no fat plain yogurt, blueberry, broccoli, pears now when he wouldn't eat any fruits and veggies in the past.

He eats 4 times a day now-small meals and his poops are looking great. No more diarrhea and greasy looking poop.

The way I see it, if there's a medical condition and you are prescribed a food, stick to it. You can always add tiny bit of fresh food that agrees with your yorkie's tummy if you are worried about not getting fresh food but use the prescription food as your base. Just remember to brush their teeth if you are feeding lots of moist food. I just use a baby toothbrush with nothing on it for now until he gets better I might use doggie toothpaste then.

107barney · 06-11-2014, 07:20 PM

Potter,
Great post about your success that came from listening to good advice from your veterinarian. I'm so glad your baby loves the RC gastro. My boy eats that sometimes as well and he too has done fantastic on it. At almost 14 and two bouts of pancreatitis that almost killed him, I'm not taking any chances and you shouldn't either. It is a difference of opinion whether raw is better and whether a particular brand of raw is better. I am in the camp that says no it is not better for MY dogs. It could be better for someone else's dog if they believe that it is. For my dogs, I am good w/ feeding home cooked food and kibble at times and when I feed kibble it is from the "big three" companies. And no, I don't buy them at my vet's office.

megansmomma · 06-11-2014, 09:43 PM

I use a prescription food for all 3 of mine and purchase it from my vet. I've had discussions with my vet regarding raw, home cooking, RX foods and LI foods over the years. The RX food is actually less expensive at my vet than I can buy it at the locate vet stores or even online.

Teegy · 06-12-2014, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie6446

Teegy, thanks for your response to my question.

you are most welcome

Potter · 06-12-2014, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 107barney

Potter,
Great post about your success that came from listening to good advice from your veterinarian. I'm so glad your baby loves the RC gastro. My boy eats that sometimes as well and he too has done fantastic on it. At almost 14 and two bouts of pancreatitis that almost killed him, I'm not taking any chances and you shouldn't either. It is a difference of opinion whether raw is better and whether a particular brand of raw is better. I am in the camp that says no it is not better for MY dogs. It could be better for someone else's dog if they believe that it is. For my dogs, I am good w/ feeding home cooked food and kibble at times and when I feed kibble it is from the "big three" companies. And no, I don't buy them at my vet's office.

Thanks 107Barney. It was very scary when he was sick. I was so scared that I might lose him. It was touch and go for a week or so. I am happy to hear that your Yorkie is also on RC and is doing well and he is 14! I hope my boy has a few more years to go as he is 8 this year.

Zoey Zendaya · 06-12-2014, 04:29 PM

OMGoodness! STILL being pulled in both directions!
Science Diet ID vs Royal CAnin...

Just when I thought I was on the right track with getting my sick Zoey better and eating good on SD ID ....I stop into a dog food store to check out the bully pizzles and this one gal says she was a vet tech ( now owner of store) and after telling her about Zoeys ER stay and how much better she is on The I D ....she feels the need to ask me if she is going to be on it the rest of her life and I said yes....she said they ARENT suppose to be on ID for long term!!and if I knew the vets in this state get free seminars and training if they carry their food!
Oh here we go again...... Helllllp!

What am I suppose to think now?!

06-11-2014, 11:30 AM	#46
Cherie6446 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: SoCA Posts: 1,895	Teeny, what was the problem with you little one? I would love to put Zoey back on a raw diet but not with this vet. Zoey has had two bouts of pancreatitis in two years - not from raw food but fat treats that I had given her. __________________ RIP my darling little Gina

06-11-2014, 02:10 PM	#48
Lovetodream88 Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md Posts: 23,249	I would not switch a dog with a compromised immune system to raw food it's just not safe or a good idea. It's funny how some people like to bash these prescription foods that keep many many dogs alive, happy and healthy. To many people think they know what a dog needs when they have taken no classes or gotten any degrees in pet nutrition! __________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart!

06-11-2014, 03:12 PM	#52
Teegy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,631	Well vets get financial support for their training and organizations check out the sponsors on their websites. Of course they want you to feed your dogs prescription they sell in their clinics. You feed a dog a natural diet that offers no threat to their digestive system they won't get sick. I wish more and more vets were like mine. As for the heartworm issue my dogs are not in a high risk zone there is absolutely no need for me to administer pesticides that could tax their organs especially since Teegy has already had issue with pancreatitis. They have healthy and happy immune systems. I know so many people who live in the country in high mosquito zones who use natural means of repellant and have done for years and no heartworm. You need certain conditions for that and it's not here. You say I'm wrong I say your wrong. I already figured out that you and I and several others will always have opposing opinions. I can live with that. Last edited by Teegy; 06-11-2014 at 03:13 PM.

06-11-2014, 04:39 PM	#53
Cherie6446 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: SoCA Posts: 1,895	Teegy, thanks for your response to my question. __________________ RIP my darling little Gina

06-11-2014, 07:01 PM	#55
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	If everyone on this thread do not mind, I'd like to offer my 2 cents for whatever it is worth..I do believe when a dog has compromised immune, raw is really not a good idea. I have friend's Shih Tzu who almost died from being fed raw...it just doesn't work for every dog especially those with compromised immune. I myself has always believe in feeding good food and has been feeding Stella & Chewy till he got sick 2 weeks ago...bloodwork came back as pancreatitis and he was on IV for about 2 days in total and multiple subcutaneous injections after. We tried Hills I/d at first but he wouldn't eat that and one of the vet techs told me the finicky ones usually like Royal Canin so we tried that and he loves it. Needless to say he is on Royal Canin Low Fat Gastrointestinal wet as prescribed by our vet with tiny bits of boiled chicken breast and BacPak Plus digestive enzyme powder. He has never been better and he used to be really picky. Now his appetite totally opens up and he is like a different dog. In hindsight I think he wasn't feeling well in the past and thus the reason why he waa picky. I just started him on some of the RC low fat dry(moistened for easier digestion) and he loves it as well. The funny thing is he also loves his no fat plain yogurt, blueberry, broccoli, pears now when he wouldn't eat any fruits and veggies in the past. He eats 4 times a day now-small meals and his poops are looking great. No more diarrhea and greasy looking poop. The way I see it, if there's a medical condition and you are prescribed a food, stick to it. You can always add tiny bit of fresh food that agrees with your yorkie's tummy if you are worried about not getting fresh food but use the prescription food as your base. Just remember to brush their teeth if you are feeding lots of moist food. I just use a baby toothbrush with nothing on it for now until he gets better I might use doggie toothpaste then. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

06-11-2014, 07:20 PM	#56
107barney T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 9,816	Potter, Great post about your success that came from listening to good advice from your veterinarian. I'm so glad your baby loves the RC gastro. My boy eats that sometimes as well and he too has done fantastic on it. At almost 14 and two bouts of pancreatitis that almost killed him, I'm not taking any chances and you shouldn't either. It is a difference of opinion whether raw is better and whether a particular brand of raw is better. I am in the camp that says no it is not better for MY dogs. It could be better for someone else's dog if they believe that it is. For my dogs, I am good w/ feeding home cooked food and kibble at times and when I feed kibble it is from the "big three" companies. And no, I don't buy them at my vet's office. __________________ T. Bumpkins & Co. Washable Doggie Pee Pads (Save 10% Enter YTSAVE10 at checkout) Cathy, Teddy, Winston and Baby Clyde...RIP angels Barney and Daisy

06-11-2014, 09:43 PM	#57
megansmomma Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S. W. Suburbs of Chicago, IL Posts: 12,235	I use a prescription food for all 3 of mine and purchase it from my vet. I've had discussions with my vet regarding raw, home cooking, RX foods and LI foods over the years. The RX food is actually less expensive at my vet than I can buy it at the locate vet stores or even online. __________________ “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Mark Twain

06-12-2014, 04:29 PM	#60
Zoey Zendaya Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,221	Is THIS true?! OMGoodness! STILL being pulled in both directions! Science Diet ID vs Royal CAnin... Just when I thought I was on the right track with getting my sick Zoey better and eating good on SD ID ....I stop into a dog food store to check out the bully pizzles and this one gal says she was a vet tech ( now owner of store) and after telling her about Zoeys ER stay and how much better she is on The I D ....she feels the need to ask me if she is going to be on it the rest of her life and I said yes....she said they ARENT suppose to be on ID for long term!!and if I knew the vets in this state get free seminars and training if they carry their food! Oh here we go again...... Helllllp! What am I suppose to think now?!